"Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
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"Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
Pontypool (2008) Selected by riotinmyskull |
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
Okay, if you want to watch a low budget movie where everything interesting is described to you and you see nothing interesting on screen for at least the first hour, then this is the movie for you!
Nothing of interest even happens at all for at least the first 25 minutes, so I was already bored with the characters and didn't give a shit about any of them. It is bad when you want your main three characters to die 20 minutes in. By the time stuff started to finally show up on screen, I was ready for the movie to end. I know they wanted to build tension by describing instead of showing but the gimmick just didn't work for me. Instead of feeling invested in the characters, I just didn't care.
But enough about that...how about the retarded notion that you can turn into a zombie by saying a sing word? Incantations are silly but I can at least buy that. But saying a single English word sends you into a tizzy. That's right...all other languages are safe...just English is fucked up. Social commentary perhaps? American bashing? (yes, I know it is a Canadian film but I am just hypothesizing here.) Who knows?
It was so downright silly that I just couldn't take it seriously. I was stunned to go on the IMDB after watching the film and reading some comments and reviews making it sound like this idea is "refreshing," "cerebral," and people stating you are a drooling fool if you don't "get" this film. Well, guess I am a dummy.
I understood what the creators were going for but I honestly just didn't think it worked.
My rating: ** out of *****
Nothing of interest even happens at all for at least the first 25 minutes, so I was already bored with the characters and didn't give a shit about any of them. It is bad when you want your main three characters to die 20 minutes in. By the time stuff started to finally show up on screen, I was ready for the movie to end. I know they wanted to build tension by describing instead of showing but the gimmick just didn't work for me. Instead of feeling invested in the characters, I just didn't care.
But enough about that...how about the retarded notion that you can turn into a zombie by saying a sing word? Incantations are silly but I can at least buy that. But saying a single English word sends you into a tizzy. That's right...all other languages are safe...just English is fucked up. Social commentary perhaps? American bashing? (yes, I know it is a Canadian film but I am just hypothesizing here.) Who knows?
It was so downright silly that I just couldn't take it seriously. I was stunned to go on the IMDB after watching the film and reading some comments and reviews making it sound like this idea is "refreshing," "cerebral," and people stating you are a drooling fool if you don't "get" this film. Well, guess I am a dummy.
I understood what the creators were going for but I honestly just didn't think it worked.
My rating: ** out of *****
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
I loved the beginning of the film, which captured the misery and feeling of isolation you get starting work so early on a winter morning, the sky still pitch black, the snow coming down. I found the opening scenes very effect, being trapped in a little rinky-dink radio station while the reports of outside choas trickle in. I think I may have enjoyed the movie more if it kept at this pace for the entire film, never showing you the zombies.
Pontypool made me laugh a lot. I think it's aiming more for comedy and a general feeling of "weirdness" than horror. I understand why someone wouldn't enjoy it, but I think it is worth dipping you toe in the water of. Give it twenty or so minutes to see if it clicks with you. If so great, if not, not harm done.
Last year I tracked down the book this is based on, and it is really bizarro, though the only connection between the book and the movie is the general theme. I think World War Z stuck closer to the book than this.
Pontypool made me laugh a lot. I think it's aiming more for comedy and a general feeling of "weirdness" than horror. I understand why someone wouldn't enjoy it, but I think it is worth dipping you toe in the water of. Give it twenty or so minutes to see if it clicks with you. If so great, if not, not harm done.
Last year I tracked down the book this is based on, and it is really bizarro, though the only connection between the book and the movie is the general theme. I think World War Z stuck closer to the book than this.
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Surprised at the negative reviews here, I thought it was much better than Grave Encounters.
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how about the retarded notion that you can turn into a zombie by saying a sing word? Incantations are silly but I can at least buy that. But saying a single English word sends you into a tizzy. That's right...all other languages are safe...just English is fucked up. Social commentary perhaps? American bashing?
But THAT aside, I imagined the opening to be how things at WGON were when the events of Night of the Living Dead began. The strange, unconfirmable stories they must have heard, huh? Granted, they were TV and would have had video, but the idea is pretty interesting. We joined them a couple of days into their epidemic in Dawn of the Dead, but the beginning would have been just like Pontypool. I think that would make a great companion film to the Night/Dawn/Day series.
It would also make a great A&E stand alone movie. The initial reactions at some Atlanta station filling in some of what Rick missed during the beginning of The Walking Dead saga.
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
Yeah, I agree. Great creepy mood plus the performances (particularly Stephen McHattie's) made this a nice pick when I watched it last year. I will look forward to revisiting it later tonight.
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
I was tempted to Google translate this post to Chinese so no one here would be infected with my English...
Pontypool is probably the best "stuck in a radio station listening to people talk" movie they could make out of the premise. Pontypool is not very entertaining for much of it's run time, I think it's curious on an intellectual level as a narrative experiment and social commentary but agree not it doesn't deserve the positive buzz surrounding it. When I first saw it, I began to doubt my own sanity wondering if I had seen the same movie as everyone else. It gets points for originality and not revealing the carnage adds an eerie mystery to the proceedings (but more balance of action would have been nice). The dry comedy that the media is receiving information they can not believe (versus the sensational muck rucking of actual media) is interesting for a while. English only transmission of the virus doesn't make any sense and the revelation seems to just come out of nowhere nullifying any sort of impact.
People say the actor saves this film and he has an amusing stage presence, but not one that helps viewers immerse themselves in the film. It's silly that the radio crew doesn't really stop their job or show much emotion (they seem to rationalize and intellectually review everything) with all the apparent carnage outside even as the girl bashes her head against the window. The doctor even comically takes cool rationalism to an extreme.
What do you people think of the ending? I loved how vague it was but it seemed a little too far out - they randomly decided that through "destroying words" they would save the world. I don't get it.
Sydney Briar is alive!That's really not saying much. Grave Encounters is an over the top in your face to a fault film and Pontypool seems like the total opposite revealing very little of anything.
Pontypool is probably the best "stuck in a radio station listening to people talk" movie they could make out of the premise. Pontypool is not very entertaining for much of it's run time, I think it's curious on an intellectual level as a narrative experiment and social commentary but agree not it doesn't deserve the positive buzz surrounding it. When I first saw it, I began to doubt my own sanity wondering if I had seen the same movie as everyone else. It gets points for originality and not revealing the carnage adds an eerie mystery to the proceedings (but more balance of action would have been nice). The dry comedy that the media is receiving information they can not believe (versus the sensational muck rucking of actual media) is interesting for a while. English only transmission of the virus doesn't make any sense and the revelation seems to just come out of nowhere nullifying any sort of impact.
People say the actor saves this film and he has an amusing stage presence, but not one that helps viewers immerse themselves in the film. It's silly that the radio crew doesn't really stop their job or show much emotion (they seem to rationalize and intellectually review everything) with all the apparent carnage outside even as the girl bashes her head against the window. The doctor even comically takes cool rationalism to an extreme.
What do you people think of the ending? I loved how vague it was but it seemed a little too far out - they randomly decided that through "destroying words" they would save the world. I don't get it.
Sydney Briar is alive!That's really not saying much. Grave Encounters is an over the top in your face to a fault film and Pontypool seems like the total opposite revealing very little of anything.
Last edited by Undeadcow; 10-29-13 at 10:45 PM.
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
Or were you talking about scene after the credits?
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It's all very much conjecture, but that's what makes it interesting. A real-life semi-analogue to this concept is that of memetics. Check it out. And while we're at it, this seems fairly pertinent to the discussion as well:
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And to echo cproaps, what WAS up with that scene after the credits, anyway?
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
The entire zombie genre has never really appealed to me since it seems to be rather one-dimensional. Yes, there are some notable exceptions but of late it's become an excuse for endless scenes of running and shoot-em-ups. Having said that, I found Pontypool interesting because it focused on the virus instead of the zombie-like infected people. The premise was a good one, but it was revealed too late in the movie and by then I was anxious for something to happen. The Doctor character who appears later and semi-explains what's going on was so comical that he destroyed any sense of dread that had built up.
Even so, I applaud any filmmaker for at least trying something different and I'm glad I saw it.
Even so, I applaud any filmmaker for at least trying something different and I'm glad I saw it.
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
I didn't realize there was a post-credit scene but looked it up on youtube, thanks for the notice. Below is a clip for anyone else who missed it.
In an interview the director explains it partially:
In an interview the director explains it partially:
Originally Posted by Bruce McDonald on Twitchfilm.com
The existence for it is sort of buried in there, well the title of the book sort of suggests it, Pontypool Changes Everything, and one of the things I’ve always love about the notion of this, is that the virus could effect something as abstract as the English language, it can leap into reality itself. Change the fabric of how reality is perceived.
http://twitchfilm.com/2009/03/from-p...bruce-mcd.html
http://twitchfilm.com/2009/03/from-p...bruce-mcd.html
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
I enjoyed the acting and the one location is a very good one, but I found this a pretentious flick for the most part and was underwhelmed. Felt the same way when I saw it theatrically. The sound design is pretty cool for the call-ins and we get to use our imaginations, but the whole language thing just becomes ridiculous to me and I think the filmmakers were trying to be too clever instead of delivering a fun climax.
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
I think a horror movie that gets you to use your imagination is much more effective. The creepiest moments in this movie were when the field reporter was calling in and describing the carnage that he was seeing. I found them really unnerving, especially the part where the teenager was speaking with the baby voice. I have all sorts of thoughts running through my head while watching Pontypool, this is the second time I've watched it and I am already eager for a third viewing to see if my theories change.
There's a wonderful moment where the reporter freaks out and says "shit" on the air and the producer winces when this happens, despite everything that's going on, she's still living through the rules that have been ingrained in her as a producer. This is as authentic as it gets as far as media in film. It was refreshing to watch a movie get it right, especially after watching Scream where Courtney Cox was repeatedly "going live" without the proper equipment set up to do so, and despite the fact that a reporter can't just go live whenever they feel like, they wait for their producer to make time for them in the show, and there's a lot of communication and waiting in the meantime.
I strongly disagree that the crew should have been handling the situation emotionally. These people train throughout their entire careers for moments like these, they detach themselves from the situation and report it professionally. A couple of years ago I had to report on my own friend's death, it was hard, but I did my job. You get a little desensitized and when tragedy or a crisis happens, you don't approach it emotionally, you do everything you can to report it professionally. Keep in mind that this is a stressful career with low pay. People have to be passionate about the work to stay in the industry, and when something this groundbreaking happens, they will stick with the story for as long as possible. Even in Dawn of the Dead, the movie opens up at a TV station where crews are working around the clock to report the story, long after they probably should have fled. The main character of Pontypool doesn't understand the extent of the crisis until it's too late, when he realizes what's going on he tries to leave, but at that point the building is surrounded.
More thoughts on the language aspects of the film later, but I want to say that I loved the opening of this film, it sets the tone beautifully.
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I loved it. While it had it's flaws, I'm very forgiving of horror films that actually make me use my brain.
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I keep seeing mentions like this for reviews for this movie and I just don't get it. This movie didn't seem that hard to comprehend and it didn't see any more intelligent that any standard horror movie. What makes people feel it is so cerebral? I know I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I had no problems "getting" this movie. What makes it so special that it warrants these kinds of comments from various reviews?
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...One of the reasons I like this movie so much is that I work at a news station, and Pontypool gets it right. The characterization is spot on. I've worked with all of these characters before.... This is as authentic as it gets as far as media in film.... The main character of Pontypool doesn't understand the extent of the crisis until it's too late, when he realizes what's going on he tries to leave, but at that point the building is surrounded...
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
Just curious but how did it make you use your brain?
I keep seeing mentions like this for reviews for this movie and I just don't get it. This movie didn't seem that hard to comprehend and it didn't see any more intelligent that any standard horror movie. What makes people feel it is so cerebral? I know I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I had no problems "getting" this movie. What makes it so special that it warrants these kinds of comments from various reviews?
I keep seeing mentions like this for reviews for this movie and I just don't get it. This movie didn't seem that hard to comprehend and it didn't see any more intelligent that any standard horror movie. What makes people feel it is so cerebral? I know I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I had no problems "getting" this movie. What makes it so special that it warrants these kinds of comments from various reviews?
agree that it's not that intelligent of a movie; but can see how people might appreciate it's abstract "sick language" theme and feel it's deeper than what's presented just because it's not conventional. The idea that language is sick, and that if language can be changed so can reality makes sense and is an ambitious theme but I don't necessarily find it "deep" because these events just seem to randomly happen within the film's invented logic (pointing out language really is powerful - so much it could even... create zombies and kill everyone?).
#20
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
I'm not even sure it's trying for that, but certainly I found it very funny, too. I enjoyed it a lot, in fact - mostly because of Stephen McHattie. I can only assume I remember him from Happy Town, because that's the only thing that stood out on his filmography... hopefully he does more and/or I can find some of his other films, because I thought he was great. The other two (three) did a reasonably good job - the doctor was an odd character, but I thought his oddness was quirkily believable - as well, but as a main character Mr McHattie was excellent. I suspect a viewer's opinion of him would colour their opinion of the film itself...
#21
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
The dry comedy that the media is receiving information they can not believe (versus the sensational muck rucking of actual media) is interesting for a while... It's silly that the radio crew doesn't really stop their job or show much emotion (they seem to rationalize and intellectually review everything) with all the apparent carnage outside even as the girl bashes her head against the window.
The hypothetical semi-science was that the virus came in on soundwaves through the ear, but then dug in and began the infection when it reached the brain and was re-transmitted round the parts of the brain as it was understood. So the only way to theoretically counteract that was to attack language and understanding and comprehension.
#22
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Re: "Pontypool" Reviews/Discussion - 2013 Horror Challenge: Day 29
I would use a different phrase: it makes you think. You (might) get to wondering what - if any - truth/science there is to this possibility. Whether there's a possibility that, say, an alien lifeform might exist on a different enough plane of reality that it could "infect language". Whether a non-alien lifeform could evolve to do the same thing. Whether there'd be any defence against it if such a thing happened.
Then there's the "how would I react" questions: if my city - and friends - were out there dying, but I had a job to do: would I? Could I remain dispassionate? Would I believe what I was hearing, or presume it's a practical joke... if my producer told me that the police involved were alcoholics, what would that mean regarding their veracity?
Do you trust your gut, your producer or your training? Do you run or stay? Etc.
Then there's the "how would I react" questions: if my city - and friends - were out there dying, but I had a job to do: would I? Could I remain dispassionate? Would I believe what I was hearing, or presume it's a practical joke... if my producer told me that the police involved were alcoholics, what would that mean regarding their veracity?
Do you trust your gut, your producer or your training? Do you run or stay? Etc.
#23
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I watched this as my first film of the 2010 challenge. This is what I wrote then (when I was still actually trying to write min-reviews of all the films I watched):
"This is a film I read about a long time ago and had been wanting to watch ever since. I thought the concept was fascinating. People are turning into zombies, and it's being transmitted through language. I'm a writer/editor and love zombie films, so I thought this could be perfect. Well, not so much. It had its moments. It certainly wasn't bad, and it was refreshing to see a totally different take on the zombie story, but it just didn't end on a very good note for me. Overall, I don't think the film ever really rose to the concept, but it was interesting to watch nonetheless."
So, when this film was chosen for the daily subset, I wasn't exactly looking forward to it, but I must admit that my view of the film has softened somewhat. Frankly, I didn't find it as boring this time around. I still think it is flawed, but the second viewing helped a lot. Perhaps my expectations were just lowered. I still love the concept. Apparently there was a plan for more films. I guess that never got off the ground. It would have been interesting to see what direction the story would take if allowed to continue.
"This is a film I read about a long time ago and had been wanting to watch ever since. I thought the concept was fascinating. People are turning into zombies, and it's being transmitted through language. I'm a writer/editor and love zombie films, so I thought this could be perfect. Well, not so much. It had its moments. It certainly wasn't bad, and it was refreshing to see a totally different take on the zombie story, but it just didn't end on a very good note for me. Overall, I don't think the film ever really rose to the concept, but it was interesting to watch nonetheless."
So, when this film was chosen for the daily subset, I wasn't exactly looking forward to it, but I must admit that my view of the film has softened somewhat. Frankly, I didn't find it as boring this time around. I still think it is flawed, but the second viewing helped a lot. Perhaps my expectations were just lowered. I still love the concept. Apparently there was a plan for more films. I guess that never got off the ground. It would have been interesting to see what direction the story would take if allowed to continue.