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Old 04-12-01 | 07:48 PM
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I just order this, since someone recommended it. However, what is your take on this film. Is it as good as I have heard it is? I am grateful for any response.
Old 04-12-01 | 09:10 PM
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I always catch flak for this, but what the hell... I didn't care for it. Maybe it's just an anime thing that I don't really care for, although this is one of the best ones I've seen wrt the art work. Actually I think my main problem is

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the lazy kid. It's the middle of a war and the kid squanders his time and money w/o paying any attention to the environment around him. He abuses his welcome w/ his relatives, is rightfully thrown out and then wonders how he got into the predicament he's in. Overall though my recommendation is to avoid it, unless you just like tearjerkers, or are a sadist and view it as a comedy


I don't know maybe that's a little harsh It's been awhile since I've seen it and maybe I would react differently now.

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Old 04-14-01 | 10:54 AM
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Yes, it is. It is a simply amazing movie. Incredibly difficult to watch though. I can't sit through more than 10 or fifteen minutes before I start tearing up.

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nemein: I had exactly the same problem with the film as you did:

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I just kept putting myself in the kid's shoes, thinking, "What would I be doing about this?" And even at his age, I think I, or any young kid, would have done more than he did. I think that distanced me from the characters a little and diminished some of the impact.


For me, it wasn't the soul-rending story I'd been expecting, but it is a pretty moving film. And it's strong evidence against those that think anime is just robots and fan-service.

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Old 04-14-01 | 07:01 PM
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its a wonderful dvd... i would give 4.5 stars for it (out of 5)

Old 04-14-01 | 10:26 PM
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nemein and sfsdfd:
You both have valid points. This, to me, was part of the story's tragedy. The boy's pride, or perhaps laziness, which kept him from doing the right thing at the right time lead to the tragic consequences. However I think this adds to the movie rather than detracts from it.

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Grave of the Fireflies is an excellent example of anime. It is worth watching, but perhaps not often.

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I really wanted to love it. I really, really did.

It's a good rental, though.
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I am not a huge anime fan but have enjoyed several movies in this genre, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Ninja Scroll and Princess Mononoke to name a few. I find Grave of the Fireflies to be the most moving and provoking anime feature that I have seen. I have many friends who are serious film buffs who are not interested in anime, but really liked Grave of the Fireflies and rank it highly among their favorite war films.

This is not a pleasant movie that you can watch repeatedly, but it does belong in your collection if you enjoy great movies with great emotional content.
Old 04-15-01 | 07:10 PM
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I think this is one of the must have anime DVDs.

My take was that the film attempts to show the greater tragedy. A childish innocence and sense of play vs the reality of war....and it's toll and how it affected them. If anyone here has scene the UK animated film, When the Wind Blows...it's the same thing. An older English couple and their innocence and ignorance vs the atomic bombs.

The almost magical beginning and end to GOTF, I thought were very well done and added to it.
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nemein and sfsdfd:
You both have valid points. This, to me, was part of the story's tragedy. The boy's pride, or perhaps laziness, which kept him from doing the right thing at the right time lead to the tragic consequences. However I think this adds to the movie rather than detracts from it.

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Nemein and sfsdfd:

You need to remember that Grave of the Fireflies is based on a *true* story. The big difference is that:

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The brother (Seita) did not die. He survived and went on to write the book, "Grave of the Fireflies" . The difference in the book and his real-life is that since he felt so much guilt for what happened to his sister, he elected to die within the novel. In the book (as well as the film), he fully acknowledges that the decisions he made were, at the time, foolish and unwise. But remember that he felt the same sort of pride about his father and Japan, and it was hard for him to be humbled and endure working during the war and the mistreatment of his aunt. And it was exactly this flaw in his character that eventually led to his enormous guilt about his sister.


To me, this seems justified, and it makes the film much more gritty and real than portraying Seita as some completely innocent victim.
Old 04-16-01 | 05:37 PM
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Final addition: Grave of the Fireflies is easily one of the best films I've ever seen. It easily, IMO, compares to Schindler's List in the portrayal of actual WW2 events.

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Startide's published review of Grave of the Fireflies (EXCERPT)

The Use of Light as a Mise-en-scene
Element in the Grave of the Fireflies

Grave of the Fireflies is an animated movie from Studio Ghibli directed by Isao Takahata. It shows a portion of the effects of WWII from civilian eyes, and strives to convey its message through emotion rather than experience as many movies try to do.

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During the opening credits, it is ironically appropriate that the stylized Easter Island Bandai logo is shown featuring the stylized word “Emotion”. Grave of the Fireflies is certainly an emotion-evoking film on more than one level.

Director Isao Takahata deftly and continually uses light as a tool in telling the story. The use of contrast, of backlight, and frequent of his ever-present flat lighting not only enhances the moods and visual images of each scene, but also allows the viewer concentrate on the essence of the story. In this way, he has taken advantage of the animated delivery platform to deliver lighting effects that would be difficult for live-action shows to provide.

The director used light to convey both an immediate effect (as an intangible prop) or to signal to the audience a sense of emotion. Without the frequent use of lighting effects, the director would have needed to use other narrative elements such as heavy melodrama or a set of stronger tragedies to convey an emotional impact upon the audience. In this way, the director avoided the use of such cliché items that would have distracted the viewer from the theme of the book by Akiyuki Nosaka.

The use of lighting may be described in chronological order with respect to the film scenes. This approach is particularly relevant since the director’s use of light differs in the 1st third of the movie, the 2nd third of the movie, and the last 3rd of the movie. The director also uses light as a transition between these three sections.

In the 1st third of the movie, much of the tone of the movie is dark and foreboding. The director uses light in the opening mostly to backlight the main character and a small amount of frontal light to allow the facial features to be seen for identification. This serves to focus the eye on the character rather than the expanse of scenery. Regardless of amount of light available in the natural environment of each scene, people (especially the protagonists) will be sufficiently lit. This consistent unnatural use of light gives the movie a certain style and helps to highlight the characters’ presence in each scene. One notable instance of this is where the train station’s cleaning attendant tosses the fruit drop can out into the darkness. The attendant is brightly lit even though it is a dark night. The can sails through the darkness and lands amidst fireflies. There is a certain bit of poetry in this with the return of Setsuko’s ashes to the field of fireflies.

Also in the 1st third, the dark sky makes the falling incendiaries stand out like little flaming meteors. When the camera pulls back, the bright falling incendiaries standing out in the darkness look like falling fireflies. With everything else dark, the viewer is thus given the allegorical view of fireflies.

The 2nd third of the movie otherwise referred to as the “middle part” uses more conventional lighting. It is notable that the 1st third of the movie transitions at the hospital scenes with the bandaged mother lying on the floor. The first few scenes are darkly lit and develop the foreboding mood. As the scene progresses, the lighting is increased, so that by the time Seita leaves the hospital, the lighting level is bright. The remainders of the scenes of the 2nd part are played out this way to develop the narrative story behind the conclusion scenes of the 3rd and last part of the movie.

In the 2nd part, the lighting was fairly flat and poster-like. The depth of field is not emphasized by this lighting style, which is possibly due to the media being animation and not film. I thought that this was significant since, unlike many other anime, this movie uses contrasts between light and dark to a great degree. It is almost like the director or art director was drawing on a vast pool of knowledge from directing B/W films. However, I do not have enough information to make a conclusion about this.

In the middle part, rather than using entirely dark scenes, the director will sometimes set the lighting so that the middle of the screen has the most light and the edges have slightly less light. This may help to focus attention on the center of screen such as the scene with Seita and Setsuko watching the dusk deepen.

In the 3rd part of the movie, the director returns to the prominent use of dim lighting to heighten the contrasts in the dark scenes. In some scenes, the lighting tends to be brightest in the middle of the screen and the lighting will taper off towards the edges of the screen. This focused attention on the emotional scenes between the farmer catching Seita, Seita at the police station, and Seita just as he exits the police station. Without other scenery to distract, the despair and futility evidenced by the situation is more apparent in each scene.


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Old 04-17-01 | 03:57 PM
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I didnt really like it. I bought it off of hype and sold it after watching it twice. Crappy animation that looks pre 1980's quality, mixed with lame characters. The only bad part is when a relative passes away, other then that, your friends will laugh at you for thinking this dvd belongs amongst a godly collection.
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I didnt really like it. I bought it off of hype and sold it after watching it twice. Crappy animation that looks pre 1980's quality, mixed with lame characters. The only bad part is when a relative passes away, other then that, your friends will laugh at you for thinking this dvd belongs amongst a godly collection.
1. You make absolutely no sense
2. Have you seen the film?
3. If you have, and that is seriously your review, I think you should check in at a clinic.

Old 04-18-01 | 07:21 PM
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Grimfarrow, not everyone enjoys a genuine artistic narrative film like Grave of the Fireflies. It's based upon a literate award-winning book, which is a plus for some and actually a minus for others. It isn't an action flick with ships and missiles. It doesn't have Ninja Scroll action such as Setsuko sliding down the sword blade (that scene, if you can imagine it, probably would get cheers from types of audience and groans from the rest of us). And there is no ecchi action which as you know, is bound to dissuade a number of anime fen (surely, you know of those anime fen that turn their noses up at almost anything that isn't hentai).

Of course I like it as you can see from my excerpted review above which focused on the director's clever use of lighting to either tell or aid the story. I picked that out in hopes that other people who didn't see that aspect of the film might enjoy it for the director and staff's insight at using the animation medium to its fullest.

When "MaXYYYY" says he doesn't like it, I can understand that. Also, there are a lot of anime fans that actually don't care for it for one reason or another (as I've seen at anime screenings). They come purely to be entertained on action flicks. Where are the missles? None. Where are the skimpy skintight plugsuits? None. No ecchi mixed with violence? No violence mixed with ecchi? Okay, they're gone. For some people, life is too short to not have fun or be titillated with flicks. Feeling sad watching movies is for someone else and not them.
Old 04-19-01 | 10:16 PM
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I liked the movie, but think people often overplay how depressing it is. Sure, its not an upbeat movie, but I think you'd have to be fairly emotional in order to get broken up over it. Good movie though!
Old 04-25-01 | 06:08 AM
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While Grave of the Fireflies is animated in the 1980's style, this is just a style of animation and not a difference in technical animation quality or workmanship. The technical animation merits are excellent as this was a theatrical release film instead of OAV.
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I watched this tragedy last night, and I was in tears. How can one blame the child for the events that happen to him and her?
Pride? No, I believe that he is acting in a way, which father would have done. But then again, his father is no child, and a child only knows how to immitate, since the complete understanding for the world is not yet learned by the cildren. For any of you who knows Maslows steps of needs recognize that both the girl and the boy do not get adequate support from an adult. which is needed for an appropriate development for a child. This is a tragedy that I could not watch in one sitting. I had to spilt it up with an hours break in between, because it is so difficut for the mind to imagine how horrible it must have been for the children, and at the same time process all the information that was given. The director must have very good insights in child development, and he has done his research before he made this masterpiece. I give it 10/10.
Old 04-30-01 | 01:45 PM
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I'm glad you liked it, DVD Smurf


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