Just got my 1st HD TV! i think that is...
 

so i am pretty much all set, just haven't hit "Place Your Order" just yet.

Wanting to get Sony KDL32EX523 32" Class Bravia LED HDTV.

Has everything I want, connections, wifi, etc...for small man-cave room thus 32".

One thing bugs me, but not sure if huge deal, what is " Screen Refresh Rate: 60Hz" and is 60 very bad?

Thanks for quick help.

Other than that I am real excited for this purchase that will be a gift so to speak!

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remember on these sony's they want you to buy an $80 wireless adaptor if you wanna use the internet features

of course you can also run a cat5/6 cable if you are near the router

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60hz is low, I'd say go with at least 120

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it would be near the router, the only problem is that the router is full up with existing ethernet cables.

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but is it really noticeable? especially someone who never experienced HD before? i want Sony and can't find a 120hz in 32" range.

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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...?EdpNo=6706258

there is also this older model with 120hz...

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bruh, i usually turn off the 120hz nonsense off even for sports

it to me doesn't look right, i'll do it on a movie to screw with people it takes away the film look, looks like you watching a play

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60hz is normal. 120hz is "soap opera" mode. Personally, I hate 120hz. Everything feels very unnatural. It's good if you watch a lot of Sports.

But 120hz should be standard on most TVs.

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120hz looks funny to some people. Make film look like video. There are lots of threads over in Home Theater that talk about it in some form or another. Go to a store and see how it looks to you. You can always switch it off when watching movies.

Why so set on a Sony? When I was comparing, I wound up with a Samsung 720p 60hz and HD content looks outstanding once I adjusted the settings.

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i tell ya. i have always been slave to Sonys. one i have now i have loved and had for over 10 years.
i've been everywhere all day and want to get narrow this down soon.

so 60 hz is normal and perfectly fine to get and wouldn't notice a thing??? the 120hz is the odd refresh rate it seems???

thanks for replies thus far!

Re: Just got my 1st HD TV! i think that is...
 

Check out Costco (if you can).

Or even Amazon.

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Shouldn't this thread be in the Home theater forum?

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No, 120Hz is superior. It's the 120Hz frame interpolation feature that is shitty. You aren't interested in a plasma? I went from a 32'' LCD to a 42'' plasma and there's just no way I'll ever buy an LCD again.

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am getting an insiders deal from Amazon on either Sony LCD the one with 60 hz or one with 120hz. what does "120Hz frame interpolation feature" mean?

i heard 120 is superior for gaming which is what it would be highly used for as well with xbox...

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isn't this statement a contradiction?

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Standard i.e. available (even if you don't use it). on most TVs. It's now pretty much a 'free thing', where before it was a selling point. Sort of like how 3D was a selling point and now it's becoming more and more standard.

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so for blu-ray, HD TV and gaming...should i go with 120 hz or 60 hz is fine?

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500 specs:
Sony KDL32EX500 BRAVIA 31.5" LCD HDTV
Display Area: 31.5"
Diagonal Size: 31.5"
Display Type: LCD
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Screen Refresh Rate: 120Hz
Signal Compatibility: 1080p
Input Video Signal: ATSC
QAM
NTSC
Compatibility: VESA (200 mm X 200 mm)
Condition: Open Box
Features: PC Input
Speakers: 2
Inputs: USB
Composite
HDMI In
Component
RF Input
VGA
Outputs: Analog Audio
Digital Audio Out
HDMI Ports: 4
Power Consumption: 140W
Power Source: 120V AC
Height (inches): 19.6
Height with Stand (inches): 21.1
Width (inches): 31.5
Depth (inches): 3.9
Depth with Stand (inches): 9.9
Unit Weight: 21.9 lbs

523 Specs:
Sony KDL32EX523 32" Class Bravia LED HDTV
Display Area: 32"
Diagonal Size: 31.5"
Display Type: LCD
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Screen Refresh Rate: 60Hz
Signal Compatibility: 1080p
Compatibility: VESA (200 mm X 200 mm)
Backlighting: LED
Condition: New
Features: USB
PC Input
Swivel Stand
Smart Energy Saving
Closed Caption Decoder
Stand Tilt
Inputs: Component Video
HDMI
Composite Video In
RF Input
PC Input
Outputs: Digital Audio Out
Output Terminals: Headphone
HDMI Ports: 4
Dimensions With Stand: 29.7" x 20.1" x 8.5
Unit Weight: 22.5 lbs.

i'm just so confused about this refresh rate thing and only want the best. an online reviewer said it made no difference, ugh!...

Which looks better on paper????

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Just forget about the 60, 120Hz, and go with the plasma! Then you won't have anything to worry about. Plasma has a better picture for movies. LCD's are better for video games.

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i'm getting a deal on 32" Sony...all i can right now and all i need help with. thanks though.

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There's two types of "120hz enhancements" for material on that Sony TV that you linked to on TigerDirect: Cinemotion and MotionFlow. One of them is beneficial to movie watching (if properly configured), while the other is probably bad for movie watching (if you don't like the "video"-like effect it causes).

First, we have to remember that for NTSC/ATSC, the standard framerate is 30fps, which for NTSC and 1080i is 60hz (two interlaced fields for every frame). All NTSC TVs were 60hz, and most earlier HDTVs, and current lower-end ones, are still 60hz.

However, film is shot, projected at 24fps. Now, to fit 24 frames/sec into 60 fields/sec, what's called a Telecine is used in a 2:3 pattern, repeating some fields twice, and other fields 3 times, in order to match up to 60 fields/sec. This is done on DVD and on broadcast TV material, and is sometimes referred to as a 3:2 pulldown.

With 60hz telecined material, since the fields repeat at different rates, this causes a "judder" on the video, typically most noticeable in camera pans in movies. I noticed this myself on my 60hz TV most recently while watching the movie RED, which has 180 degree pan around Bruce Willis's neighborhood early in the film.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_%28standards%29#Video
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC#Framerate_conversion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine#2:3_pulldown
http://www.modeemi.fi/~leopold/AV/Fi...eo/#SpeedsNTSC


Now, on Blu-ray Discs, most movies are stored in their original progressive 24fps state, but BD players output this material as interlaced 60hz material by default. Newer BD players may offer an option to output it as 24fps to the TV, but then the TV has to be able to accept this type of input, and the TV has to have a mode to properly display this input, which 60hz TVs won't have.

120hz HDTVs are perfect for the problem of 30fps (or 60hz) native TV material, and 24fps film material, because the high framerate of the TV can be evenly divided by either of the lower framerates into a whole number. Thus 30fps material can have each frame repeated 4x to hit 120hz, while 24fps material can have each frame repeated 5x to reach 120hz. Since each frame in the material is repeated the same number of times, there's no judder. This is good.

However, most manufacturers of 120hz TVs went a step further. Instead of just repeating frames, what if they could calculate what the frames in between should've been, if the material had been shot at a higher framerate, and display those calculated frames instead? The resulting image would thus show smoother motion. This is called interpolation, and is the based between Sony's Motionflow and similar technology under different names on other TVs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation

However, a lot of people hate the motion interpolation. For one, the smoother motion often causes the image to look more like video than film, due to video having a higher framerate to begin with. Also, since the interpolated frames are calculated by a chip in the TV, it can cause unnatural-looking motion.


So, to sum up, for the best film image from Blu-rays, get a 120hz TV, output 24fps from your BD player to it, and turn off any motion interpolation (like Sony's Motionflow).

Now, for that specific Sony TV, they offer an additional feature called Cinemotion. This apparently performs what's called a "reverse telecline" on film material that's been transmitted via DVD or TV as 60hz 3:2 pulldown material. It bascially detects the 3:2 pulldown, restores the image to its original progressive 24fps state, and displays it that way (with or without additional image interpolation, depending on the setting). Setting this to "AUTO2" or "AUTO" will provide the best image on movies that you are, say, watching on TV or from an old DVD.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1117754
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1087956
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=349

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I knew Jay G. would chime in and do all the legwork. :)

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Jay...you blow my mind as always and confuse me :)
so which one are you recommending...the older Sony Bravia 120hz?

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if you plan on hooking a computer make sure that older model sony will support 1920x1080 on the pc input instead of just 1360x768 max

i was always irritated that my old sxrd wouldn't do the 1080p mode on the pc input... and running a dvi-hdmi cable to it the geometry was f'd up

the ex710 had the hd mode on the pc input, hopefully all the lcd models does this now

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don't intend at all.