21:9 (aka 2.37:1) LCD sets from Vizio?! Another gimick?
01-16-11 | 01:35 PM
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21:9 (aka 2.37:1) LCD sets from Vizio?! Another gimick?
Didn't see this discussed here, so I figured I would share it.
From Vizio's press release.
So is this another gimick? I haven't checked recently, but have Vizio TV's gotten better? Since Blu-rays players don't have a 21:9 setting, is this really going to add resolution for wider movies or just act as a zoom feature? At first I thought it was cool, but now I'm not so sure. Also a 50" Ultra wide TV should be visibly shorter than a 50" 16:9. Sound's like the 70" is the only sane way to go. Right?
At what point do you just say "Fuck it" and buy a projector?
What else could this lead to?
How about a monochromatic 4:3 LCD LED HDTV set, so I could enjoy pre-widescreen B&W movies in 1080p? It should also include 3d capabilities so I could watch It Came From Outer Space in it's original format, as Jack Arnold, his cinematographer, and God intended.
From Vizio's press release.
Irvine, CA—January 5, 2011 — VIZIO, America’s #1 LCD HDTV Company*, revealed today plans to launch Cinemawide HDTV™, 21:9 Cinema aspect ratio models that can display native 2.35:1 ("CinemaScope") movies without any black bars for a true cinematic experience. The ultra widescreen perspective displays movies as designed for the silver screen for an immersive movie experience at home. Each model also features VIZIO Internet Apps™ (VIA) in Cinema mode, which allows users to browse apps side-by-side with 16:9 Full HD content without any compromise in resolution or size. The 50- and 58-inch class size models are Edge Lit Razor LED™ HDTVs with Smart Dimming. VIZIO will also be demonstrating at their private CES showroom a 71-inch class size model with Full Array TruLED™ backlighting for the ultimate in performance.
All three models feature VIZIO’s Theater 3D™ technology that delivers superior, flicker-free 3D performance that is up to 2x brighter and significantly reduces crosstalk compared to current Active Shutter LCD TVs and works in conjunction with battery-free, lightweight glasses. Theater 3D puts the burden of 3D processing into the TV, eliminating the need for cumbersome, complex, and expensive glasses. Compared to "Active Shutter" technology, VIZIO's Theater 3D offers up to 2x brighter picture quality without flickering. It also significantly reduces the crosstalk inherent in Active Shutter 3D which can cause eyestrain and headaches. Theater 3D eyewear is compatible with most 3D movie theaters.
All three models feature VIZIO’s Theater 3D™ technology that delivers superior, flicker-free 3D performance that is up to 2x brighter and significantly reduces crosstalk compared to current Active Shutter LCD TVs and works in conjunction with battery-free, lightweight glasses. Theater 3D puts the burden of 3D processing into the TV, eliminating the need for cumbersome, complex, and expensive glasses. Compared to "Active Shutter" technology, VIZIO's Theater 3D offers up to 2x brighter picture quality without flickering. It also significantly reduces the crosstalk inherent in Active Shutter 3D which can cause eyestrain and headaches. Theater 3D eyewear is compatible with most 3D movie theaters.
So is this another gimick? I haven't checked recently, but have Vizio TV's gotten better? Since Blu-rays players don't have a 21:9 setting, is this really going to add resolution for wider movies or just act as a zoom feature? At first I thought it was cool, but now I'm not so sure. Also a 50" Ultra wide TV should be visibly shorter than a 50" 16:9. Sound's like the 70" is the only sane way to go. Right?
At what point do you just say "Fuck it" and buy a projector?
What else could this lead to?
How about a monochromatic 4:3 LCD LED HDTV set, so I could enjoy pre-widescreen B&W movies in 1080p? It should also include 3d capabilities so I could watch It Came From Outer Space in it's original format, as Jack Arnold, his cinematographer, and God intended.
01-16-11 | 02:37 PM
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Re: 21:9 (aka 2.37:1) LCD sets from Vizio?! Another gimick?
Technically, this is probably a gimmick. But so is 3D, and people sure like talking about that. The usual term for this is Constant Image Height, or CIH. CIH requires some work regardless, and these LCDs would not change that. See below for an example.
Surely. Actually, I don't think CIH changes the usual question/decision of screen size. Get what you can afford/want/need.
I did something like 6 years ago, what are you waiting for?
But, still needs glasses. Just not "cumbersome, complex, and expensive glasses", which may be opinion. 
Considering that 2.35:1 films do not have a vertical resolution of 1080 on BD, I fail to see what he is talking about. There is some validity to that with DVD, but I doubt that's the discussion.
However, it is an interesting idea. It's just that there are projectors under $2000 that have built-in CIH ability. (depending on your definition of that) And of course, you can make the screen whatever size you want, mask properly, and upgrade to a true anamorphic lens.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=117
Recommend a good BDp regardless, if you go CIH. For example, Oppo allows subtitles to be moved, and that would be necessary for 2.35:1 films with subtitles, esp with these Visios (or anamorphic lenses on a PJ) where they would simply be cut off. This is something you have to worry about with CIH, you can't always just pop in a disc.
Surely. Actually, I don't think CIH changes the usual question/decision of screen size. Get what you can afford/want/need.
At what point do you just say "Fuck it" and buy a projector?
Originally Posted by Visio
Theater 3D puts the burden of 3D processing into the TV, eliminating the need for cumbersome, complex, and expensive glasses.
Originally Posted by Matthew McRae, VIZIO CTO
The result is a significantly more immersive experience that fills your field of vision without black bars or loss of resolution.
However, it is an interesting idea. It's just that there are projectors under $2000 that have built-in CIH ability. (depending on your definition of that) And of course, you can make the screen whatever size you want, mask properly, and upgrade to a true anamorphic lens.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=117
Recommend a good BDp regardless, if you go CIH. For example, Oppo allows subtitles to be moved, and that would be necessary for 2.35:1 films with subtitles, esp with these Visios (or anamorphic lenses on a PJ) where they would simply be cut off. This is something you have to worry about with CIH, you can't always just pop in a disc.
01-16-11 | 05:00 PM
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01-16-11 | 05:05 PM
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Re: 21:9 (aka 2.37:1) LCD sets from Vizio?! Another gimick?
Technically, this is probably a gimmick. But so is 3D, and people sure like talking about that. The usual term for this is Constant Image Height, or CIH. CIH requires some work regardless, and these LCDs would not change that. See below for an example.
Surely. Actually, I don't think CIH changes the usual question/decision of screen size. Get what you can afford/want/need.
Surely. Actually, I don't think CIH changes the usual question/decision of screen size. Get what you can afford/want/need.
That said, I'd probably buy a projector before I ever bought something like this. I had the pleasure of installing a home theater for a guy last summer, with a 108 inch screen. It was awesome and at less than $5000 for everything (save the room), not that far out of reach. It wasn't CIH, but it was still nice.
Anyway until then, I'll have to enjoy my Blu-rays on a 30" CRT 1080i set, with antiquated 6.1 matrixed DD and DTS.
01-16-11 | 05:24 PM
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Re: 21:9 (aka 2.37:1) LCD sets from Vizio?! Another gimick?
Although, 2.35:1 is used as the "widest" in creating CIH screens, and several films are actually wider than that. So, it's not exactly perfect. Star Wars, Lawrence of Arabia, etc.
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Re: 21:9 (aka 2.37:1) LCD sets from Vizio?! Another gimick?
So movies in 1.85:1 ratio would not have black bars on the sides on 21:9 sets?
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Nevermind saw some youtube vids of 21:9 sets, yeah they do have large black bars with 16x9 content which clearly sucks. And scaling that 16x9 content makes the image very cropped.
So as it stands these sets do cater to 2.35:1 ratio movies.
Last edited by Sonic; 01-16-11 at 09:28 PM. Reason: answered my own question lol
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Re: 21:9 (aka 2.37:1) LCD sets from Vizio?! Another gimick?
Cater, yes. And masking is preferable, so the black bars are not part of the screen, but outside of the screen, that generally clears up any issue with "black bars". But there shouldn't be any cropping with a proper setup, the vertical resolution should be either 720 or 1080 and match to 16:9 content. There is issue with 2.35 movies with subtitles, as those are generally in the "black bar" on the disc. But shouldn't be with 1.85 ratio.
With a standard HDTV, there is letterboxing, windowboxing, pillarboxing, depending on the content. It's annoying. That's why some have gone to CIH. I guess they find the extra work to be worth it. I haven't with my setup, but I'm considering it for my next setup, whenever that happens. I would have space to turn my 90" into a wider screen. Probably couldn't make it any taller, though, most likely stuck with 44" height.
I don't know what these Visios would do, they'd need special processing that isn't done in other TVs. I suppose we could look up the European TVs mentioned above, see what they do. Projectors generally deal with this with anamorphic lenses, which can't be done with a flat panel.
With a standard HDTV, there is letterboxing, windowboxing, pillarboxing, depending on the content. It's annoying. That's why some have gone to CIH. I guess they find the extra work to be worth it. I haven't with my setup, but I'm considering it for my next setup, whenever that happens. I would have space to turn my 90" into a wider screen. Probably couldn't make it any taller, though, most likely stuck with 44" height.
I don't know what these Visios would do, they'd need special processing that isn't done in other TVs. I suppose we could look up the European TVs mentioned above, see what they do. Projectors generally deal with this with anamorphic lenses, which can't be done with a flat panel.
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Re: 21:9 (aka 2.37:1) LCD sets from Vizio?! Another gimick?
Already did this - 2006 and going strong.
Already have an older HD plasma and if it lasts another year, fine. Its 42 inches, and I dont need bigger cuz I plug an HDMI into my projector from it when I wanna watch something of interest, ie, sports, variety specials, etc..BAM! 120 glorious inches for a hi def projector under a grand
Already have an older HD plasma and if it lasts another year, fine. Its 42 inches, and I dont need bigger cuz I plug an HDMI into my projector from it when I wanna watch something of interest, ie, sports, variety specials, etc..BAM! 120 glorious inches for a hi def projector under a grand
01-17-11 | 12:49 PM
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Re: 21:9 (aka 2.37:1) LCD sets from Vizio?! Another gimick?
Yea, but you have to build a theater room, have a black cave, know how to conduct brain surgery left handed, be a master at physics and be dating Megan Fox to have a front projector.
Sorry...with some of the threads lately, I just couldn't help myself.
Yea, it's funny how me installing a projector "evolved". At first it was just cause back 6 years ago there was no display that you could hang on a wall that I could afford and I didn't want to take up floor space. Than as I researched and realized what a great image it would be, went for a specific projector, and made it so more people could sit in the room. Than moving to a HD projector sort of "raised the roof".
Of course I learned a lot along the way. Including how easy it is to repair drywall! LOL!
Sorry...with some of the threads lately, I just couldn't help myself.
Yea, it's funny how me installing a projector "evolved". At first it was just cause back 6 years ago there was no display that you could hang on a wall that I could afford and I didn't want to take up floor space. Than as I researched and realized what a great image it would be, went for a specific projector, and made it so more people could sit in the room. Than moving to a HD projector sort of "raised the roof".
Of course I learned a lot along the way. Including how easy it is to repair drywall! LOL!
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