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Old 11-05-08, 04:04 PM
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Getting a new receiver - Onkyo or Denon?

Hey guys, I wanted to get some quick opinions on getting a new receiver shortly. I知 replacing an 8 yr old Sony ES receiver and Amazon has some pretty good deals going on, so I知 thinking now is the time. The ones I知 looking at are:

Onkyo 705 ($450)

Onkyo 805 ($600)

Denon 2808CI ($570)

Denon 988 ($585)

We just started picking up some blu rays, so the only real criteria I have is staying under $600 and having the new audio formats. Any suggestions?
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FWIW, consider Yamaha also.
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And I'd do the Onkyo 806 over the 805. 806 is an improvement over the 805 in every category, except satellite radio. You lose XM in favor of Sirius.
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Originally Posted by MrVette99 View Post
FWIW, consider Yamaha also.
What Yamaha models are in that price range that stack up to these? (I'm not very familar with Yamaha)

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And I'd do the Onkyo 806 over the 805. 806 is an improvement over the 805 in every category, except satellite radio. You lose XM in favor of Sirius.
I was wondering about that too, so I guess it might be worth the extra $50 (putting me slightly over budget, but I'm sure I could convince the wife)
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What Blu-ray player are you using?

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i saw your sig after


What speakers do you have?

the 663 is def under $600 and rated at 95wpc and 25lbs
the 883 may be under $600 and rated at 105wpc and 45lbs

i recommend jumping to $750 and getting the rx-v1800 at 130wpc and 45lbs

of the ones you listed i would go with the denon

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Originally Posted by SoSpacey View Post
What speakers do you have?
I have a pretty random setup, but it works just fine for now. For the front two I have Cerwin Vega, the center is B&W, the two rears are Boston Acoustics, and the sub is Klipsch.
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Originally Posted by shaun3000 View Post
And I'd do the Onkyo 806 over the 805. 806 is an improvement over the 805 in every category, except satellite radio. You lose XM in favor of Sirius.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Look over on Onkyo boards, or AVSforum or anywhere. The 805 is an IMPROVEMENT over the new 806.

I would NOT recommend the 806 over the 805. The 806 skipped out on the Brown Burr DAC's where they shouldn't have. The 805 is 50 pounds where the 806 is only around 30.

Trust me when I tell you that you should get the 805 vs. the 806.
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Oh crap, I'm sorry. I was thinking the 600 series. (605 vs 606)
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The Harman Kardon Avr-254 is under $400 at Amazon. Many will vouch for the sound quality of HK receivers. HK just released a new firmware for the unit that supposedly fixes many of the issues with PS3 interactivity.
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Originally Posted by mattysemo247 View Post
I have a pretty random setup, but it works just fine for now. For the front two I have Cerwin Vega, the center is B&W, the two rears are Boston Acoustics, and the sub is Klipsch.
Yet again, I'll say it: if the ONLY reason your getting a new receiver is to get lossless, then you would make a more substantial improvement in overall sound by upgrading your speakers then by going lossless.

Your speaker are not only random, but very mismatched. Cerwin Vega w/ B&W w/Boston???

There is no doubt that you would do more for the overall sound quality of your system by getting a nice speaker set up and keep whatever surround receiver you are currently using, then by keeping those speakers and getting a new receiver. At the very least, I'd upgrade speakers first to get the significant improvement in sound then if you want, get a receiver or set up that can do lossless.
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Ya, the Cerwin Vegas are going to have to go sometime. But they have been really good music speakers for music.
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Originally Posted by shaun3000 View Post
Oh crap, I'm sorry. I was thinking the 600 series. (605 vs 606)
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Ya, the Cerwin Vegas are going to have to go sometime. But they have been really good music speakers for music.
Ummm....as CV were my first speakers I ever bought, I would respectfully disagree.

And they should go now if your goal is to improve the quality of your audio system. IMO, you are simply waisting your money going lossless with that speaker set up.

It would be like insisting on a 1080p display that was only 32" and sitting 15 feet from it. Or insisting on an HD display but refusing to have any HD signal.

I don't mean to be ugly or insulting. But I hate to see people by into the hype of things like lossless. Oh it is an improvement but it is not the night and day improvement that you would see by upgrading speakers. And I'm not sure you would be able to tell the improvement with that speaker set up. Maybe.
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Originally Posted by Sdallnct View Post
Yet again, I'll say it: if the ONLY reason your getting a new receiver is to get lossless, then you would make a more substantial improvement in overall sound by upgrading your speakers then by going lossless.

Your speaker are not only random, but very mismatched. Cerwin Vega w/ B&W w/Boston???

There is no doubt that you would do more for the overall sound quality of your system by getting a nice speaker set up and keep whatever surround receiver you are currently using, then by keeping those speakers and getting a new receiver. At the very least, I'd upgrade speakers first to get the significant improvement in sound then if you want, get a receiver or set up that can do lossless.
I Strongly agree with Sdallnct on this.....you will hear and do yourself alot more good upgrading your speakers over going with lossless audio!
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OK, after reading the last couple posts I'm going to hold off on the receiver for now and upgrade the front speakers first. Since I'm on a pretty tight budget and don't know too much about what to replace them with, do you guys have any suggestions?
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what size is your room?
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Originally Posted by SoSpacey View Post
what size is your room?
About 900 sq ft
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Originally Posted by mattysemo247 View Post
About 900 sq ft
am i miscalculating or is that a huge room?

30 x 30 = 900sf?
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Originally Posted by SoSpacey View Post
am i miscalculating or is that a huge room?

30 x 30 = 900sf?
No, it's just a pretty big room. It's a finished basement in a house we are moving in to. There are no dividing walls or anything else in it yet, but eventually we might split it in half
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Originally Posted by mattysemo247 View Post
No, it's just a pretty big room. It's a finished basement in a house we are moving in to. There are no dividing walls or anything else in it yet, but eventually we might split it in half
the good news is you have a big room. the bad news is you have a big room.

you need equipment that can fill the room without straining it as you will decrease the life of it or distort it.

sound will get lost in that room unless you buy the equipment to match it.

you are going to need some fairly powerful stuff.
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With a room that big you might want to consider going with floor standing speakers. Everyone will have their favorites but I would suggest going to hi-end A/V retail stores near you with material you are very familiar with and audition speakers in your budget. What sounds good to me may not sound good to you.
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Originally Posted by SUPERMANROB View Post
With a room that big you might want to consider going with floor standing speakers. Everyone will have their favorites but I would suggest going to hi-end A/V retail stores near you with material you are very familiar with and audition speakers in your budget. What sounds good to me may not sound good to you.
he doesnt actually need floor standing speakers. as long as he gets a decently powered bookshelf and adds a sub, it has a better effect than floorstanding speakers.

i dont think he shouldnt get them, but I am just saying that a cheap floor standing speaker wont be better than good bookshelves.

he should build it piece by piece. start with the front 3, add a receiver, add a sub and then finish it with rears. he can use any of his current to as rears for now.
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Re: Getting a new receiver - Onkyo or Denon?

Hey guys, sorry to bump this old dog but I wanted to get some fresh opinions. After moving in and hooking everything up the speakers I have now fill up the room pretty good. So for now I'm going to use the speakers I have now. Because I know that I'm going to end up paying more for new speakers than the receiver, so that gives me some time to save up too.

Anyways, I'm looking for a receiver under $800. I was leaning towards the Onkyo 805 before, but since it's an older model I figured there was some better stuff out now for the money.

Right now I'm using a 4-1 HDMI switcher for all of our hook ups. Am I going to have to use the receiver's HDMI inputs if I want the new audio formats? If so, I guess video processing is going to have to be high on the priorities list. Let me know what you guys think.
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