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#76
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Originally Posted by Drexl
I wouldn't take someone else's posted settings as gospel. They may be good for a good starting point or something fun to try out, but you have to calibrate for your own set. There can be variances between different units, and some settings may need to be changed over time (brightness/contrast as the set dims).
They look pretty good now, but I definitely have to calibrate it myself. Hopefully DDD doesn't take forever to get the DVE disc to me.
#77
Originally Posted by Josh H
Thanks again for the tip. Played around with it (after popping in Avia settings posted on AVS which look pretty good--have DVE ordered and will calibrate myself when I get it) and 720p definitely looks a bit better than the default 1080i.
Freakin great picture. I continue to be very impressed with this Vizio set. Can't beat it for the price so far.
Freakin great picture. I continue to be very impressed with this Vizio set. Can't beat it for the price so far.
#78
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Originally Posted by mrhan
Your welcome. BTW, have you tried using the cleaner yet? You can see some retention right before using it.
Continue to be impressed with the set. NBA game looked great, MLS game looked even better, and caught a little of Planet Earth on Discovery HD which looked amazing.
Only flaw I can tell is some occasional grain here and there on some darker scenes.
Also, regarding the buzzing noise, I didn't hear it at all tonight while watching real TV rather than the bright ass burn in disc even when walking close to the TV to check, so that's a non-issue IMO.
I'll finally be done with the burn in disc overnight tonight. At 92 hours played on it since Sunday, and will hit the 100 mark at 8 a.m.
Last edited by Josh H; 06-07-07 at 11:24 PM.
#79
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Here's another (crappy) picture of my new setup. Got the posters moved around, the new DVD player hooked up, etc. Decided to leave the SD TV their to use for watching two sporting events at once as I liked that better than the PIP.
#80
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I finally noticed some temporary IR tonight. Watching Pan's Labyrinth, when it went to an extremely dark scene you could see some lighter areas from where the bright white subtitles always appeared.
Mildly annoying, but tended to notice it even on my previous Tube TV with white subtitles. And it disappeared right away after the movie was over and watching a minute or so of HD cable.
Mildly annoying, but tended to notice it even on my previous Tube TV with white subtitles. And it disappeared right away after the movie was over and watching a minute or so of HD cable.
#81
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Finally tried some video gaming today.
PS2 was ok through S-video, but not great. Seemed like the best options was leaving the machine set to 4x3, and playing 4x3 games that way with the TV in normal mode and using the in game widescreen mode for games that support it with the TV set to wide. Setting the PS2 to 16x9, the TV to wide and the game to wide (or not) seemed to look a little streteched. Either way the PS2 doesn't fill the screen side to side and leaves about a 3/4" black bar on each side which was slightly annoying. Googling found that is the norm with the PS2 and 16x9 sets.
I'm leaning toward leaving the PS2 hooked up to the SD set anyway, as I play a lot of Guitar Hero I and II and the first game is unplayable as it doesn't have an option to adjust for HD lag like the sequel does.
I also tried the Wii (also S-video, should have component cable from Monoprice early next week) and was much more impressed. Games looked better (Wiisports and Zelda) and the Wii's 16x9 mode works perfectly, fills the screen, no distortion etc. Even the old games on the virtual console looked good in 4:3 mode. I'm anxious to see how much of an improvement 480p with the component cables make.
In all, I continue to be impressed with the Vizio. My only gripe is the buzzing can sometimes be annoying when you have somethign that's very bright (as it's louder then) and quite soundtrack wise. But on the display models in the stores the Panny plasmas buzz sounded nearly as loud to me, so I guess its the norm for me (from reading it seems like some people notice/hear it more than others).
PS2 was ok through S-video, but not great. Seemed like the best options was leaving the machine set to 4x3, and playing 4x3 games that way with the TV in normal mode and using the in game widescreen mode for games that support it with the TV set to wide. Setting the PS2 to 16x9, the TV to wide and the game to wide (or not) seemed to look a little streteched. Either way the PS2 doesn't fill the screen side to side and leaves about a 3/4" black bar on each side which was slightly annoying. Googling found that is the norm with the PS2 and 16x9 sets.
I'm leaning toward leaving the PS2 hooked up to the SD set anyway, as I play a lot of Guitar Hero I and II and the first game is unplayable as it doesn't have an option to adjust for HD lag like the sequel does.
I also tried the Wii (also S-video, should have component cable from Monoprice early next week) and was much more impressed. Games looked better (Wiisports and Zelda) and the Wii's 16x9 mode works perfectly, fills the screen, no distortion etc. Even the old games on the virtual console looked good in 4:3 mode. I'm anxious to see how much of an improvement 480p with the component cables make.
In all, I continue to be impressed with the Vizio. My only gripe is the buzzing can sometimes be annoying when you have somethign that's very bright (as it's louder then) and quite soundtrack wise. But on the display models in the stores the Panny plasmas buzz sounded nearly as loud to me, so I guess its the norm for me (from reading it seems like some people notice/hear it more than others).
#82
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Originally Posted by Josh H
Finally tried some video gaming today.
PS2 was ok through S-video, but not great. Seemed like the best options was leaving the machine set to 4x3, and playing 4x3 games that way with the TV in normal mode and using the in game widescreen mode for games that support it with the TV set to wide. Setting the PS2 to 16x9, the TV to wide and the game to wide (or not) seemed to look a little streteched. Either way the PS2 doesn't fill the screen side to side and leaves about a 3/4" black bar on each side which was slightly annoying. Googling found that is the norm with the PS2 and 16x9 sets.
PS2 was ok through S-video, but not great. Seemed like the best options was leaving the machine set to 4x3, and playing 4x3 games that way with the TV in normal mode and using the in game widescreen mode for games that support it with the TV set to wide. Setting the PS2 to 16x9, the TV to wide and the game to wide (or not) seemed to look a little streteched. Either way the PS2 doesn't fill the screen side to side and leaves about a 3/4" black bar on each side which was slightly annoying. Googling found that is the norm with the PS2 and 16x9 sets.
Thankfully, games on new systems like the PS3 and Xbox 360 are using the whole image area (I'm not sure about Wii).
#83
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Originally Posted by Drexl
Thankfully, games on new systems like the PS3 and Xbox 360 are using the whole image area (I'm not sure about Wii).
Honestly, that small border doesn't bother me much, it's just more than most of the games don't have 16x9 modes so you have to stretch or play in 4:3 mode on the TV anyway, and that Guitar Hero I is unplayable that will lead me to keep it on the SD set.
Not a big deal, since it's right below my new set in the same cabinet.
So I can easily switch back and forth if there's some PS2 game I'd rather play in widescreen.
#84
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Originally Posted by Josh H
My only gripe is the buzzing can sometimes be annoying when you have somethign that's very bright (as it's louder then) and quite soundtrack wise. But on the display models in the stores the Panny plasmas buzz sounded nearly as loud to me, so I guess its the norm for me (from reading it seems like some people notice/hear it more than others).
Plasma panel buzz is a normal phenomenon. Plasmas work on a totally different principle to colour televisions and have different operating characteristics. The level at which the operating buzz becomes noticeable is always subjective; one person may hear it whilst another does not. The following points help to understand the factors surrounding the buzzing:
The picture scanning drive circuits operate at high frequencies and powers. It is these circuits that cause the buzzing sound. The circuits are used to create both the picture and reuse energy to keep the unit efficiency high and panel heat emission low. This over-heating control is very important on the panels that do not use fans i.e. 37” and 42”. The resulting loss of fans makes for a quieter panel operation.
Due to the very high amount of power processing required, the 50” panels have cooling fans (up to 4), which will also contribute to the overall noise these plasma panels will produce. The buzz will appear more concentrated at the sides of the unit where the power circuit boards are situated.
Where cooling fans are not employed, the buzz may be heard in very quiet surroundings. Plasma buzzing is normal and will always occur, but the level of buzz is what matters.
Generally speaking the buzz will only be heard in quiet surroundings (with low levels of audio from whatever sound system used) and with the userseated too close to the panel - less than 12’ for 42” and 10’ for 37” panels.
A typical scenario is using the panel in the middle of the night when listening to news broadcasts at low volume. In this situation buzz might be heard during the silent breaks in the audio, but not so much during speech. This is not abnormal nor does it indicate a faulty panel.
If the buzz is heard above normal ambient daytime noise and audio levels at more that 12’ a problem might be present.
The method of panel installation will also affect the amount of noise heard. Wall mounting the panel will cause buzz emitted from the back of the panel to be reflected off the wall and into the room more than if the unit is located on the pedestal which is seated 2 to 4 feet away.
Plasma panels do not run in total silence. They do buzz as a normal part of their operation, but this level of buzz is quite low and may beintermittently noticed in quiet surroundings, many factors can influence this.
Changing the picture mode in the picture settings menu between dynamic/normal/cinema will also reduce the level of perceived noise since this affects how much power the panel is processing and this the level of power produced.
Having too much brightness and contrast with the dynamic mode setting on,can overdrive the panel and cause louder buzz levels with strong picture signals i.e. DVD or Sky digital signals. Changing these settings can lower the level of buzz produced. Use ‘normal’ picture mode and lower brightness/contrast settings to reduce this effect.
It is normal for the buzz tone and level to change the picture content because the panel drive circuits are processing different amounts of power and adapting their drive cycles.
Hard wall surface i.e. painted/wooden panels will be more effective reflectors than say walls that are covered in softer finishes, wall papered or curtained.
Please ensure these facts are understood and check your panel against a dealers display unit before requesting service, since abnormal levels of buzz are not always ‘abnormal’ but just the normal operating buzz of plasma technology.
The picture scanning drive circuits operate at high frequencies and powers. It is these circuits that cause the buzzing sound. The circuits are used to create both the picture and reuse energy to keep the unit efficiency high and panel heat emission low. This over-heating control is very important on the panels that do not use fans i.e. 37” and 42”. The resulting loss of fans makes for a quieter panel operation.
Due to the very high amount of power processing required, the 50” panels have cooling fans (up to 4), which will also contribute to the overall noise these plasma panels will produce. The buzz will appear more concentrated at the sides of the unit where the power circuit boards are situated.
Where cooling fans are not employed, the buzz may be heard in very quiet surroundings. Plasma buzzing is normal and will always occur, but the level of buzz is what matters.
Generally speaking the buzz will only be heard in quiet surroundings (with low levels of audio from whatever sound system used) and with the userseated too close to the panel - less than 12’ for 42” and 10’ for 37” panels.
A typical scenario is using the panel in the middle of the night when listening to news broadcasts at low volume. In this situation buzz might be heard during the silent breaks in the audio, but not so much during speech. This is not abnormal nor does it indicate a faulty panel.
If the buzz is heard above normal ambient daytime noise and audio levels at more that 12’ a problem might be present.
The method of panel installation will also affect the amount of noise heard. Wall mounting the panel will cause buzz emitted from the back of the panel to be reflected off the wall and into the room more than if the unit is located on the pedestal which is seated 2 to 4 feet away.
Plasma panels do not run in total silence. They do buzz as a normal part of their operation, but this level of buzz is quite low and may beintermittently noticed in quiet surroundings, many factors can influence this.
Changing the picture mode in the picture settings menu between dynamic/normal/cinema will also reduce the level of perceived noise since this affects how much power the panel is processing and this the level of power produced.
Having too much brightness and contrast with the dynamic mode setting on,can overdrive the panel and cause louder buzz levels with strong picture signals i.e. DVD or Sky digital signals. Changing these settings can lower the level of buzz produced. Use ‘normal’ picture mode and lower brightness/contrast settings to reduce this effect.
It is normal for the buzz tone and level to change the picture content because the panel drive circuits are processing different amounts of power and adapting their drive cycles.
Hard wall surface i.e. painted/wooden panels will be more effective reflectors than say walls that are covered in softer finishes, wall papered or curtained.
Please ensure these facts are understood and check your panel against a dealers display unit before requesting service, since abnormal levels of buzz are not always ‘abnormal’ but just the normal operating buzz of plasma technology.
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I have the 42" Panny plasma and love it. I've owned several HDTV's over the last few years and this is definetly my favorite.
It also helps that i got it for $899 at Best Buy on black friday. Great price, it was worth waiting in line.
It also helps that i got it for $899 at Best Buy on black friday. Great price, it was worth waiting in line.




