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Let's start with some DC comics news

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I'm looking forward to the Joker book when it comes out after Future State. Like the idea of James Gordon hunting him across the world like the Fugitive.

Also, I'm interested in the Batman/Superman title with the 30s movie serial villains and the Crime Syndicate mini-series.

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FYI, the book Batman: The Dark Knight has been changed to Batman: Detective.

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As mentioned in the other thread

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Forgot to post this last week. Milestone is returning in a digital first run at DC Comics

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Awesome!

I have to look but I wonder if Milestone is all up on DC Universe or if it's considered a separate entity. I still fondly remember reading those early issues (even if the extra color or whatever mechanism they used to stand out didn't really stand out to me).

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Supposedly all the issues with Milestone have been worked out. I expect Milestone characters start getting a heavy push across multiple mediums.

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I'm excited that Milestone is finally back! It's been a long time coming.

Interested in Batman 89 with Sam Hamm's contribution. I'll give Superman 78 a shot but that movie is sacred to me. IMO, to this date, the greatest comic movie ever made. The comic would have to be VERY GOOD for me to collect.

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The Infinite Frontier initiative has been great so far. I had planned on dropping some titles after Death Metal & Future State but I ended up grabbing more after reading Infinite Frontier #0. Biggest surprise was how much I enjoyed Suicide Squad #1. Wonder Woman was the big winner from this week's batch.

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Batman: The Adventures Continue Season 2 coming May 6 digitally and then June 11 in print. This time the focus will be the Court of Owls. I see Deadman is also going to be part of this series and I wonder if they are going to touch on the details of Batman's last encounter with Boston Brand, in which to save Wonder Woman, Deadman took over Batman's body and picked up a gun and killed Devil Ray (a Black Manta version of the character)


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More info on the Green Arrow 80th Anniversary Special

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Don't know what to think of this. Morrison has become so mediocre as of late

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It's apparently two oversized issues and not an ongoing so I'm intrigued. I'd be more intrigued if it was an Elseworlds instead and wasn't tied down to continuity... anyone know what the deal is?

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The current DC books lean heavily toward building the storylines we saw during Future State. There were some mentions of the Authority in the Future State Superman books. I guess we're now seeing the lead up to all of that. Or it's one of the new Earths being showcased across the Infinite Frontier.

Recently, I loved the first year of Morrison's Green Lantern. Second year was a bit trying.

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Many were unhappy with how Green Lantern's second season turned out by Morrison.

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Seems Tom King is working on a new Supergirl series

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I look forward to issue long nursery rhymes and Kara attempting suicide

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This is what happens when people get fired and there's no one that communicates with their distributor or the retailers. The Joker #2 comes out tomorrow and out of nowhere, stores that ordered 50 copies, got this variant


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Well, no one told retailers about this variant. It was sent secretly by Lunar for a book that is now priced at $5.99. Retailers are fuming because the book is selling for over $250 online and many didn't order enough copies as they didn't know this book was available. Basically, DC would have pushed the sales of this book if they had told retailers about the incentive. Same shit happened last year when the first appearance of Punchline was announced after the FOC had hit. Losing sales just because.

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How many times has Image or Marvel released "surprise variants" that were randomly mixed in with a shipment. Marvel did it several times in 2019 with variant colors or alternate characters on a cover. Some stores would MAYBE get a copy if they ordered enough. Others, not a variant in site. Or how about when Walking Dead added pages to an issue that had a pink logo on the cover (or was it a pink signature?). News of these variants don't hit until the day before release because retailers didn't know they existed until after going through their inventory.

No cursing. Just retailers who mark up the price for sale the next day.

DC does it..... grab the pitchforks.

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No shit! Surprise variants are nothing new and a good perk for a store that happened to order heavy.

DC has done some dumb stuff lately but this isn't one of them.

And if a store needs a $250 variant that bad, then close the doors.

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It's different in the way Marvel, Image and DC does it. Marvel and Image sends all retailers, no matter how many copies they ordered, a surprise variant every now and then. They don't do secret incentive variants. DC did it on a book that not only is overpriced out of the gate (Joker #2 $5.99) but did it only for stores that order at least 50 copies of the book. There are tons of retailers that didn't order this amount because they didn't sell that much of Joker #1 to begin with and ordering heavy on second issue like this is not a good business move. What makes this worse is that retailers could have been simply told to up their orders so they qualified for this.

DC is getting shit and deservedly so because of this. And yes, there are tons of retailers that could benefit from selling a $250 book online right now.

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Agree to disagree.

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What is the point of DC doing an unannounced incentive variant like this?

If the whole point of "incentive" covers is to increase the retailer orders in order to qualify for the variant, what does DC get out doing a 1:50 variant this way? So, if a retailer was going to order 35 copies of a book, they would increase their order to 50 in order to get the variant, which they would then sell at a significant mark-up. If Johnny Retailer doesn't know there's a 1:50 variant coming out, he's only going to order those thirty-five copies.

Or does DC think that if they do enough unannounced variants that retailers will order extra copies of all of their titles?

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That's exactly my point. If DC had sent this book to every retailer it would have been fine, but the fact that they kept it secret and no one knew after they got it and were told that only retailers that ordered 50 copies qualified for it doesn't make sense at all. Like I said on my previous post, when Image and Marvel do their secret variants, every retailer gets them. DC fucked up once again, almost a year after the whole Punchline debacle in which they did something similarly stupid.

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^ I know for a fact that not every retailer received some of the Image or Marvel secret variants. One store I frequent in Studio City was pissed after ordering heavy on Hickman's X-Men and couldn't find a single secret variant in his batch while a nearby store received at least one after under ordering that title. I know a few other stores across CA with the same story with some of these variants.

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So the small store that didn't sell much of Joker 1, is then going to pay for 50 issues of #2 to get the variant? And then sit on 40 issues?

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That must have been an error on Diamond's part, not on Marvel. Every retailer was supposed to receive the secret variant no matter what.


Maybe not in that case, but a store that sold 40 issues may have bumped the order by 10 copies to get the variant. Or the store that sold 90 may have bumped the order by 10 instead of cutting back. Or a customer knows that this incentive exist so he'll buy it for $200-300 an cover for the cost of getting the extra copies Joker.

Usually, it is recommended that stores order half for the second issue of what they order for issue #1. Statistically, a second issue of any series will drop in half as people will get the first issue out of curiosity but not pick the rest of the series. For that reason, many retailers cut back on issue #2 of the Joker, but if they knew there was a 1:50 incentive, they may have bumped the orders. Having that option not given to them is what made this a mess. Again, what we are talking about is an incentive variant. If retailers were not told about this incentive existing, why was it done that way? Where's does DC benefit on this?

At my store, I had a customer that would get all DC books, including incentive variants. He would pay a premium for those books. I remember that for the 1:100 Wonder Woman #38 Finch variant, we sold it to him for $100 and the 1:50 for $50. That covered for us ordering 100 copies of that book and we still made a nice profit. Without this customer, we would probably have ordered no more than 25 copies, but because of those incentives and having an active customer willing to pay for them, we did the order that way.

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Several errors. Across several stores from Los Angeles to San Bernardino. Repeatedly for each secret variant. Not just once. Several times.

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This is one of the many reasons why Diamond lost their two biggest accounts in a span of a year.

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And this is when I put all the blame directly on the shoulders of all retailers. Batman/Fortnite Zero Point #1 was released today and it's sold out everywhere because every fucking retailer is so out of touch with popular culture outside of comic books that they underordered heavily on what could have been the biggest selling book of the year. Every single store fucked up on this book because:

1- They thought it was just another boring video game book
2- Don't understand/dismiss the appeal of Fortnite
3- Didn't read the description of the book stating that it would include a code for DC base skins for the game.
4- Underestimated how popular the Marvel Fortnite variants were when those books were released
5- Gatekeeping. Hey Fortnite kids, go stand in that corner and don't get into my comic books mentality.

This is the shit in which I wish that there were other outlets for these types of books other than LCS.

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Shit. I almost never play Fortnite, but if there were DC skins I might give it another try.

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There are and you get an additional Dark Knight skin with the purchase of all 6 issues

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I thought you were joking (about the six issues thing) but you're not. Each issue also comes with outfits, with the first having a Rebirth Harley outfit. No wonder it sold out. When they solicited them for orders, did they already know they'd have the codes?

Seems like the codes also come with digital copies, so at least they're available.

Oh, interesting, they're throwing a bone to DC Universe Infinite subscribers (though I don't understand, it's still going to be delayed on that service, right?)

https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2021/0...ite-zero-point

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Where are the Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point comics available?

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This was the listing put on Lunar for issue #1. I know DC used to have a director of sales that would send email to retailers to remind them of stuff like this, but that position was eliminated. Still, the description of the codes and the book is all in the solicitations at Lunar.

BATMAN FORTNITE ZERO POINT #1 (OF 6) CVR A MIKEL JANÌN

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(W) Christos Gage, Donald Mustard (A) Reilly Brown (CA) Mikel Janín
A crack splits the sky above Gotham City... a tear in reality itself. This rift pulls the Dark Knight into a bizarre and unfamiliar world, with no memory of who he is or where he came from...Batman has been drawn into Fortnite! As our hero fights to recall his past and escape an endless loop of chaos and struggle, he'll come face-to-face with the likes of Renegade Raider, Fishstick, Bandolier, and more. While the world's greatest detective strives to make sense of this strange new world, he'll uncover the shocking truth about the Island, what lies beyond the Loop, and how everything is connected to the mysterious Zero Point. Uncover secrets never before revealed in game or anywhere else! Every fan of Batman, Fortnite, stunning art and edge-of-your-seat excitement won't want to miss the Caped Crusader facing off against Fortnite champions on the Island, in a desperate attempt to save not only himself, but other familiar faces from the DCU...and perhaps the Multiverse itself! This will be a bi-weekly miniseries. Each print issue of Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point will include a redeemable code for bonus DC-themed Fortnite digital items, inspired by the events in the comic, starting with the new Rebirth Harley Quinn Outfit. Fans who redeem all six codes will also unlock a new Armored Batman Zero Outfit for their Fortnite character. Retail: $4.99 Initial Due Date: 03/07/2021 FOC Date: 03/14/2021 In-Store Date: 04/20/2021 UPC: 76194136879500111 Product Code: 0221DC801

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From Bleeding Cool

Comic Shops Heavily Underestimated Demand For Batman/Fortnite Comic

Posted on April 20, 2021by Rich JohnstonToday's Batman/Fortnite #1 comic saw Batman head to Fortnite Island to do battle amongst its occupants. Catwoman, Deathstroke, Harley Quinn and Snake Eyes are accompanying him on the journey. And each print copy comes with a code that enables the reader to download a Harley Quinn Rebirth skin, as designed by Amanda Conner, in the game itself.

DC Comics made the comic book returnable, so that retailers could order as many copies as they want and return the unsold copies. They provided retailers with advance copies of the comic book. They delayed FOC orders so that retailers could order more. And retailers… didn't. Oh, they ordered lots, certainly, just not the BRZRKR-level numbers that were needed.

So today, when Epic Games put the Batman/Fortnite comic on the Fortnite game home screen, tweeted it out to fans and advertised that this was available in comic book shops but not with the digital comics, every Fortnite player started trying to find their local comic shop and get a copy of the comic – or just the code inside the comic.

I got mine, from a small store in South West London and was lucky to do so.
https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/...enshot-310.jpgComic Shops Heavily Underestimated Demand For Batman/Fortnite ComicAs of now, people are paying $40 on eBay just for the code, free in the $4 comic book. Firstly, the code is available to people who are paid subscribers to the DC Universe app – only available in North America. For the rest of us, it is worth noting that a second print is coming on the 4th of May. Orders for that were settled weeks ago too, but it is likely that DC Comics may overprint. And also that a third printing will most likely be rushed through. If so, it is likely that orders on the third printing will exceed the first printing.

As for issue 2, that is likely to be even harder to find, orders have also been set. I think Bleeding Cool can exclusively reveal that there will also be a second printing for Batman/Fortnite #2 out on the 25th of May, orders for which have not been set.

Also the Harley Quinn Rebirth skin from #1 will be available in the Item Shop in a few months anyway. And the items in subsequent issues #2-#6 will be available through the Item Shop on the same day as the comic is published. However the Armored Batman Zero Outfit for those who collect all six codes, that may be harder to come by any other way.

Ryan Higgins of the http://comicsconspiracy.biz in Sunnyvale, California, what many comic book retailers have been saying privately to me,
"Comics Conspiracy, the Batman/Fortnite comic is out tomorrow, but we're almost sold out already–please hold." "Comics Conspiracy, the Batman/Fortnite comic is out tomorrow, but we're almost sold out already–please hold." "Comics Conspiracy, the Batman/Fortnite comic is out t

"Seriously, it's the biggest blunder I've ever made. I literally had 1000 copies in my FOC cart and changed my mind last-minute. The retailer forums were, to put it mildly, a f-cking disaster. It's embarrassing. DC gave us full .pdf copies, made it returnable, and put it back on FOC."
Doug O'Loughlin ofhttps://comic-cave-pdx.myshopify.com/ in Kenton, Portland, People are freaking out on their LCS's re:Batman Fortnite crossover. Keep in mind this was slipped into the order at the last minute & many shops don't do much digital x-over business. I opted out because nobody was asking for it (thankful for my customers who are about reading). Either it's cool because of a code you can already buy on the DC website, or it's 'cuz an app said so (usually low print run, which doesn't necessarily mean a good product). Still, don't take it out on your comic shop if you didn't pre-order 3 wks ago.
You will get a second and third chance with multiple prints, however.

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The tweet from Doug O'Loughlin from Comic Cave shows exactly everything that is wrong with today's LCS. Gatekeeping with the comment "thankful for my customers who are about reading", the stupid dig that at low print run, and all the excuses as to why they didn't stock on the item. At no point there's an understanding that this type of book will bring kids and teens, who are outsiders to the business. They don't know what a pull list is. They don't know that a comic book can be pre-ordered. Worst of all, the comic was returnable for full credit. Instead of using this as an opportunity to bring new blood into a business that is now for 30+ year old customers, they not only fucked up, but are using every single excuse as to why they didn't stock the book.

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