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Not worth a whole thread probably, but found this factoid interesting:
In the late 1980s, when Warner Brothers was prepping their big budget Michael Keaton/Jack Nicholson Batman movie, they hit a legal snag. Because of the 1966 20th Century Fox film, Warner Bros. could not call their film Batman. But in a rare moment of studio synchronicity, Fox proposed a trade. Warners could call their summer blockbuster Batman if Fox could borrow a title for their big-budget adaptation of Roderick Thorpe's novel, "Nothing Lasts Forever". They agreed. WB got their Batman title and Fox's action thriller Nothing Lasts Forever became Die Hard.
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That made me curious why WB had the rights to the name, so I found this which says that Die Hard was the original title to a screenplay by Shane Black which ended up becoming The Last Boy Scout (and incidentally also starred Bruce Willis)
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Michael Uslan also set up an airtight deal in the late 70s or early 80s that effectively gave him the Batman film rights, which is why he's a producer on every film featuring the character.
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Just to add another comic book tidbit, I always found the legal battle between McFarlane and Gaiman over the character of Angela fascinating because it was Image Comics.

This writer captures my sentiments:
That McFarlane and Gaiman came to such a virulent disagreement over ownership of characters in one of the most iconic Image comic books is rather ironic; Image began as a way to empower creators outside of mainstream comics, where the work-for-hire system meant they did not own anything they created. McFarlane and his partners launched Image because they felt Marvel Comics had treated their creators unfairly, and failed to give them their proper due for the talent and popularity they brought to the publisher. The idea of Image as an argument for creators' rights argument was even made explicit in the pages of Spawn itself, thanks to Dave Sim's script for issue#10
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Originally Posted by LorenzoL
Just to add another comic book tidbit, I always found the legal battle between McFarlane and Gaiman over the character of Angela fascinating because it was Image Comics.

This writer captures my sentiments:


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The weird thing to me is that the Marvelman/Miracleman rights also ended up in that same battle.

Also, I'm sure McFarlane thought it was a cool thing at the time, but making Liefeld's Chapel so instrumental in Spawn's origin was probably a mistake.

It's interesting to me how Image started off as basically just superheroes and flashy art, and as the founders kind of took a backseat, it became much more creator and story-driven. Kirkman's success with the Walking Dead and his leadership no doubt helped a ton.
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Here's a really lengthy blog about the entire thing. McFarlane, always the dick.
Neil Gaiman and Todd McFarlane: The Story So Far (March 1993 - May 2012)
Another site even has McFarlane's deposition, and he really sounds like an idiot.
Love his art though.
Also, I had no idea the comic 1602 came about because of this entire ordeal.
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Here's a really lengthy blog about the entire thing. McFarlane, always the dick.
Neil Gaiman and Todd McFarlane: The Story So Far (March 1993 - May 2012)
Another site even has McFarlane's deposition, and he really sounds like an idiot.
Love his art though.
Also, I had no idea the comic 1602 came about because of this entire ordeal.
That's just a convoluted mess on how it turned out for Miracleman/Marvelman but it just puts McFarlane in such a bad light and deservedly so. To be so bad that even Marvel ends up helping out Gaiman, is unbelievable.
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A fascinating documentary about Jim Woodring.
FLOOD | Watch ?The Illumination of Jim Woodring,? a New Documentary on the Fascinating Artist
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Originally Posted by Neitzl
Here's a really lengthy blog about the entire thing. McFarlane, always the dick.
Neil Gaiman and Todd McFarlane: The Story So Far (March 1993 - May 2012)
Another site even has McFarlane's deposition, and he really sounds like an idiot.
Love his art though.
Also, I had no idea the comic 1602 came about because of this entire ordeal.
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That's just a convoluted mess on how it turned out for Miracleman/Marvelman but it just puts McFarlane in such a bad light and deservedly so. To be so bad that even Marvel ends up helping out Gaiman, is unbelievable.
Just finished reading this and it seems that the Miracleman/Marvelman stuff still unresolved and that's why Marvel hasn't released any more books, including the much delayed Neil Gaiman reprints and the newer series that was supposed to be done after. Miracleman recently appeared on the Marvel 1000 issue in a short one page story and in the cover for the second print, bit other than that, it has been gone since 2017. It is pretty clear that Gaiman ended up with Angela, but the other 2 characters must have reverted back to Todd as he's been teasing them to appear on the Spawn series, especially, Medieval Spawn. Angela is now part of the Marvel Universe, which is crazy, especially knowing where that character started. Still, the Miracleman issues seem to be never ending and I guess it is going to take a while longer until it is resolved.

I feel the big issue started during the Eclipse bankruptcy proceedings. It should have been clear then that Gaiman owned the stuff created for Eclipse, while Anglo/Alan Moore owned the 1950's Marvelman character. I hope this is cleared at some point as the characters in the series could be incorporated to the Marvel Universe at some point.
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My guess is that Miracleman's issues remain unresolved because of potential screen adaptations and lucrative licensing possibilities. There's a lot of money at stake if Miracleman gets adapted like Watchmen across different mediums. If the rights weren't so messed up, I have a feeling it would already have been adapted.
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Found this in an old box I had forgotten about. Might be my single favorite thing I own. Need to get a nice little frame and put it up.


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