Marvel's Ultimate Universe Ends.... Again
01-21-15 | 05:23 PM
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Re: Marvel's Ultimate Universe Ends.... Again
That would be pretty dumb, unless the contract for the X-men movie specifies the word "mutant." It's not like they're going to get the movie rights to Wolverine back if they change his origin, right?
01-21-15 | 05:32 PM
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Re: Marvel's Ultimate Universe Ends.... Again
It's not about getting the rights back to the X-Men. It's just about using what they can in replacement to the X-Men. I suspect that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in the MCU are going to be Inhumans. They are leaning that way in the comics too because it was just recently retconned a few months ago so that Magneto is no longer their biological father. So I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are retconned into Inhumans in the comics too.
01-21-15 | 07:57 PM
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It wouldn't matter if they renamed mutant Inhumans in the comic book universe. They still wouldn't be able to use the established characters in their movie universe. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are a loophole so I can see why they're being changed. There is no loophole with Cyclops and the like so changing them to Inhumans means nothing.
01-22-15 | 12:25 PM
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Yeah, in the movie-verse, you don't have to say the word mutant, you can just say they were born with powers and leave it as a mystery. Linking them to the Inhumans, even though they're introduced in Shield, just makes it even more convoluted.
Scarlet Witch is kinda a tough one, though, even the comics have trouble explaining how linked she is to chaos magic or whatever. Do we know what her powers are in the movie?
Scarlet Witch is kinda a tough one, though, even the comics have trouble explaining how linked she is to chaos magic or whatever. Do we know what her powers are in the movie?
01-22-15 | 12:27 PM
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01-22-15 | 12:37 PM
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01-22-15 | 12:58 PM
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01-22-15 | 01:41 PM
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Re: Marvel's Ultimate Universe Ends.... Again
Wasn't "dead is dead" one of the original selling points of the Ultimate universe? It pissed me off when they tossed that one out the window.
I think the Ultimate universe was a huge missed opportunity. Marvel should have let the creators run wild, make entirely new continuities for their characters, instead of rehashing old story lines in a less satisfying way. Age of Apocalypse was a crazier reinvention of the X-universe than Ultimate X-Men was.
I think the Ultimate universe was a huge missed opportunity. Marvel should have let the creators run wild, make entirely new continuities for their characters, instead of rehashing old story lines in a less satisfying way. Age of Apocalypse was a crazier reinvention of the X-universe than Ultimate X-Men was.
01-22-15 | 01:51 PM
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Re: Marvel's Ultimate Universe Ends.... Again
They kinda did that when they killed off tons of people in Ultimatum, and I don't think it was received very well, though I may be wrong. But I absolutely think there was room for a deaged Marvel Universe, ie: Ultimate Spider-Man; if every book had the kind of direction that Ultimate Spidey did (instead of brand new directions once writers got tired and moved on) I think it would've done better. Heck, they brought back young versions of the X-men for crying out loud.
01-23-15 | 12:42 AM
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I think Feige said Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver aren't Inhumans. And they pre-date humans on Earth unlocking their Inhuman powers. I think they've been referred to as "miracles." I would assume experimentation using alien objects like Infinity Stones/Gems or other alien artifacts gave them their powers.
Distancing Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver from Magneto and mutants makes sense even if they're just "miracles" and not Inhumans in the film universe.
Distancing Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver from Magneto and mutants makes sense even if they're just "miracles" and not Inhumans in the film universe.
05-04-15 | 01:33 PM
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Re: Marvel's Ultimate Universe Ends.... Again
I was reading this article about the upcoming Secret Wars which just made me more confused - http://observationdeck.io9.com/every...015-1701692639
Anyone up to date on Marvel have a good way to get caught up to this event? Or a reading list?
Anyone up to date on Marvel have a good way to get caught up to this event? Or a reading list?
05-04-15 | 04:11 PM
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If it's all ending anyway, just skip it all and start from scratch after it's over... 
05-04-15 | 07:31 PM
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05-04-15 | 07:59 PM
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I'm tempted to read them to catch up, but I'm like 15 years behind in everything and trying to get thru things somewhat chronologically.
05-04-15 | 08:22 PM
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I don't suppose most of these are collected as trades already? I know Infinity is, but what about the others?
05-04-15 | 08:46 PM
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Avengers (with Jerome Opeņa, Andy Kubert, Dustin Weaver, Mike Deodato, Nick Spencer, Stefano Caselli, Leinil Francis Yu, Esad Ribic, and Salvador Larroca)
"Avengers World" (collects #1–6, hc, 152 pages, 2013, ISBN 0-7851-6823-0)
"The Last White Event" (collects #7–11, hc, 136 pages, 2013, ISBN 0-7851-6824-9)
"Prelude to Infinity" (collects #12-17, hc, 152 pages, 2013, ISBN 978-0-7851-6825-6)
"Infinity" (collects #18-23, hc, 168 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-8414-7)
"Adapt or Die" (collects #24-28, hc, 136 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-5477-9)
"Infinite Avengers" (collects #29-34, hc, 152 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-5478-7)
The New Avengers (with Steve Epting, Mike Deodato, Simone Bianchi, Rags Morales, Valerio Schiti and Kevin Walker)
"Everything Dies" (collects #1–6, hc, 144 pages, 2013, ISBN 0-7851-6836-2)
"Infinity" (collects #7-12, hc, 152 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-6837-0)
"Other Worlds" (collects #13-17, hc, 136 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-5484-1)
"Perfect World" (collects #18-23, hc, 144 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-5485-X)
Infinity (with Jim Cheung, Jerome Opeņa, and Dustin Weaver, 2013)
"Infinity" (collects Infinity #1-6, Avengers #14-23, New Avengers #7-12, and Infinity: Against the Tide Infinite Comic #1-2, hc, 632 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-8422-8)
"Avengers World" (collects #1–6, hc, 152 pages, 2013, ISBN 0-7851-6823-0)
"The Last White Event" (collects #7–11, hc, 136 pages, 2013, ISBN 0-7851-6824-9)
"Prelude to Infinity" (collects #12-17, hc, 152 pages, 2013, ISBN 978-0-7851-6825-6)
"Infinity" (collects #18-23, hc, 168 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-8414-7)
"Adapt or Die" (collects #24-28, hc, 136 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-5477-9)
"Infinite Avengers" (collects #29-34, hc, 152 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-5478-7)
The New Avengers (with Steve Epting, Mike Deodato, Simone Bianchi, Rags Morales, Valerio Schiti and Kevin Walker)
"Everything Dies" (collects #1–6, hc, 144 pages, 2013, ISBN 0-7851-6836-2)
"Infinity" (collects #7-12, hc, 152 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-6837-0)
"Other Worlds" (collects #13-17, hc, 136 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-5484-1)
"Perfect World" (collects #18-23, hc, 144 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-5485-X)
Infinity (with Jim Cheung, Jerome Opeņa, and Dustin Weaver, 2013)
"Infinity" (collects Infinity #1-6, Avengers #14-23, New Avengers #7-12, and Infinity: Against the Tide Infinite Comic #1-2, hc, 632 pages, 2014, ISBN 0-7851-8422-8)
05-06-15 | 05:12 AM
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Re: Marvel's Ultimate Universe Ends.... Again
The reading order for Hickman's Avengers:
Avengers 1-13, New Avengers 1-6
Avengers 14-23, New Avengers 7-12, Infinity 1-6
Avengers 24-34, New Avengers 13-23
Avengers 35-44, New Avengers 24-33
Then:
Secret Wars 1-8
Avengers 1-13, New Avengers 1-6
Avengers 14-23, New Avengers 7-12, Infinity 1-6
Avengers 24-34, New Avengers 13-23
Avengers 35-44, New Avengers 24-33
Then:
Secret Wars 1-8
05-06-15 | 08:27 AM
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Re: Marvel's Ultimate Universe Ends.... Again
So basically Avengers is like what X-Men became in the 90's? You have to read multiple books to get the central story. Oh and a crossover every year.