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Old 01-04-14 | 08:23 PM
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Interesting interview about Wolverine's creation

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/01/...verine-comics/

A couple of weeks ago, Bleeding Cool ran an article looking at an entry to Marvel’s FOOM Magazine’s create-a-superhero contest, the results of which ran in 1973. One of the runners up was Andy Olsen and his creation “The Wolverine”.

Six months later, Incredible Hulk #180 with the first appearance of Wolverine, was published by Marvel. The rest is history.

Bleeding Cool managed to track down Andy Olson and asked him what he remembered of that time.

He didn’t hold back.

Funny how some things stick with you.

It all started in the dark ages. So long ago it would be easy to forget.

The time of analog.

Boys my age had fewer creative outlets, computers were almost science fiction, gaming consisted of various boards and cards made of paper.

Paper. The ancient medium of Gutenberg was my entertainment refuge in the form of printed color comic books and Marvel was the publisher of my fantasy world.

Much of my school age days were consumed with buying, reading, collecting and discussing with my friends comic book hero plot lines, and artworks of the giants – Jack Kirby, John Romita, Steve Ditko to name a few were almost revered and Stan Lee ruled them all.

It inspired me to draw and create my own versions of what I hungrily read and blow my meager allowance money on issue after issue. Thor, Captain America, Hulk, Iron Man, Fantastic 4, I was totally into the Marvel Universe.

So I think in 1973 or 4 Stan Lee announced a magazine catering to his fan base called FOOM (Friends Of Marvel – what the Os stood for eludes me..Obnoxious? Oligarch?..Opportunist? ..Oh well..) I happily subscribed. As I recall it was a cheaply printed 2 or 3 colored mag supposedly under direction of The Man himself.

At that time I was mediocre scholastically but not too bad in art class with dreams of becoming an artist, perhaps a comic book artist. I was a sketching fiend drawing incessantly anything that struck my fancy.

Sometime during the short production of FOOM Stan ( I really don’t know if it was him personally but his name was all over it so I’ll refer it all to him. Yes I know it was never a one man show there. ) announced a fan contest.

Hey kids! Design your own superhero! or villain! – send in your idea, sketch to us and Stan himself will pick the winner! The winner will become a Marvel comic book hero! WOW!!

I knew there would be hundreds of entries but just the thought of The Man actually seeing my work was simply too exciting to pass up.

So I gave it some thought.

First you need a a name.. For some reason it always seems to describe the hero.

You never have a superhero named Larry or Bob.

So I looked for an interesting name to build off.

Bats, nope, spiders, done, koalas, too cute.

I had heard of a creature called wolverine. From what I knew it was reputed to be pound for pound meanest animal on Earth. Not even Grizzly bears would tangle with one. A worthy attitude to have when fighting crime. Wolverine it was.

So I set on using that as a base concept. If you notice in my adolescent sketch there is a pattern on the back of his costume that mimics the fur shading of the animal as well as the front mask sort of like the markings of its head.

The details other than that eludes me, but looking back at the sketch he seemed to have a metal skeleton and no claws, because I couldn’t imagine a superhero scratching an opponent. Sissies scratch.

I sat down and worked up my sketches eventually working up a finished drawing to send off.

I also created a villain named Krypt. As I recall he was a part cyborg fellow who was pissed off at almost everything. I thought the name sounded cool…

God, does anyone use “cool” anymore?

Well some weeks went by and the issue announcing the contest results was delivered.

To my surprise and pleasure both my entries made it to the runner ups or honorable mention. The winner was called Hu-man or something like that. Good for him.

I knew hundreds of other kids were out there just as excited and creative as I so the fact that Stan Lee took time off his coffee break to sort through a stack of kid’s sketches and toss mine into the “do not trash” pile was a thrill.

No money, trophy, or notice was given just a reprint of my sketches in an obscure fan magazine.

Excited, I mentioned this to my uncle who was an established commercial artist on Madison Avenue (that’s in NYC for those who don’t know) who replied: “You did WHAT?? You idiot! Don’t you know what these guys did? They pulled ideas from you kids, make money off it and payed you NOTHING!!” Probably using other colorful words. But that’s the best I could remember. Feel free to insert your own.

I felt rather used and stupid.

That was the end of it, time moved on and so did I. Even comics lost my interest, but not art as a field of study.

Fast forward a few years later as a college student I passed as comic book stand and noticed a large X-Men Marvel title: Wolverine.

WTF..and really-XMEN?

Of all the Marvel heroes- X-Men I felt were the bottom feeders.

Then it hit me. I had been had..Uncle was right.

My regard for Marvel and Stan Lee was so high it never dawned on me the contest was harvesting concepts to breath some freshness into their line up.

I recall also seeing the title Krypt in another comic, but the damage was already done.

I toyed with the idea of pursuing it.. I could not recall if a waiver was part of the contest. I never signed one or read anything stating entering the contest removed all rights from the originator.

I was an art student.. If I was pre law perhaps things would be different..

Could Marvel claim plausible deniability? Perhaps. They did add their own scratchy claws and scruffy beard.

Nice they kept the metal skeleton I roughed out -what ever adamantium is.

I often wondered, It’s quite possible other titles in use today are from ideas from other kids that entered along with me. Who would know?

So I chalked it up to a lesson learned and concentrated on my own career in graphic design.

I made a point to never enter such contests again and council others to be wary as well.

With one exception.

In later years I joined Siggraph and entered some 3D animation into a contest which placed in the gold category. I felt secure that the recognition was genuine and the whole thing was altruistic in purpose.

So there it is.

Is this a case of ripping off a naïve kid’s concept or simply a large multi-million dollar publishing company creating a character completely on its own and this all an interesting coincidence.

Any legal scholars are welcome to give an opinion.

I thank you, Rich for seeking me out all the way from the other side of the pond to remind me and give me a little recognition.

Perhaps my aspiration came true after all.

If anyone would like to see what I have been up to:

http://ao-portfolio.squarespace.com/graphic-design/

If you like what you see please send me a post.

Please don’t rip me off.. again.

We won’t, Andy, we won’t! Oh, and from Wikipedia… “Marvel editor-in-chief Roy Thomas asked writer Len Wein to devise a character specifically named Wolverine, who is Canadian and of small stature and with a wolverine’s fierce temper.”


There's a pic of his version of Wolverine on the link above. I can't seem to add it to this post.
Old 01-04-14 | 08:39 PM
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Re: Interesting interview about Wolverine's creation

Here's the picture from that article:



I don't see any resemblance between that and Marvel's Wolverine. Just the name and the "metal skeleton" which looks much more like an android similar to the Terminator to me.

I have never read Incredible Hulk #180, but I don't think Wolverine was originally intended to be a superhero was he? I thought he was originally intended to become a Hulk rogue. Then it was a year or two later when Marvel decided to revamp the X-Men with all new characters that they decided to put Wolverine with the new X-Men.
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Re: Interesting interview about Wolverine's creation

...and Wolverine didn't have a metal skeleton in those Hulk issues, IIRC. It wasn't explained one way or the other, but the idea was that the claws were part of his costume. The deal with the claws being part of his body didn't come along until X-Men #98.
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Re: Interesting interview about Wolverine's creation

Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
...and Wolverine didn't have a metal skeleton in those Hulk issues, IIRC. It wasn't explained one way or the other, but the idea was that the claws were part of his costume. The deal with the claws being part of his body didn't come along until X-Men #98.
Chris Claremont to the rescue. Marvel should really pay him royalties for what he did with the X-Men.
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Other then the name Wolverine, I really see no connection to the Marvel character. The guy looks like a HYDRA soldier then Wolverine. That window on the chest makes it seem like a robot full of gears. I think he just got lucky coming up with a name, which is a vicious animal that doesn't seem hard to believe Marvel wouldn't also name something the same thing.

Read the article again. LOL at him trying to tie it to the Wolverine that is famous. "but looking back at the sketch he seemed to have a metal skeleton" AKA, the way he drew him looking like he was a robot, of course he would have metal everywhere. Nothing in that drawing says just human skeleton of metal Surprised he didn't try to claim those top drawings of the head were Wolverine's healing powers working.

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Re: Interesting interview about Wolverine's creation

Okay. I had a little more time to read the article/interview more deeply. This guy actually asks if there are any lawyers out there willing to help him.

Yeah, this guy is an attention whore and nothing more. He's just a lawsuit-happy idiot wanting to make some quick and easy money. I'm no lawyer, but even I can see he has absolutely no case. His Wolverine drawing looks absolutely nothing like Marvel's Wolverine character. Also the contest he entered explicitly says the winner would have the character used in the comics. I'm pretty sure that waives his legal right to the character. He should just be happy that he got his name and picture printed instead of being an attention whore with all the "I'm the guy that really created Wolverine and I should be paid for it!"

I'm wondering if the contest actually wanted some kind of short backstory in addition to the drawing. Most contests like this do. It would be interesting to see this Wolverine's backstory because I'm sure its nothing at all like Marvel's Wolverine, which is probably why the author left it out of the article.

I'm not a huge fan of bleedingcool, but the articles I have read from there are usually better than this. This article is just stupid.
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Re: Interesting interview about Wolverine's creation

Originally Posted by taffer
I'm not a huge fan of bleedingcool, but the articles I have read from there are usually better than this. This article is just stupid.
Rich Johnston and Bleeding Cool are bottom feeding rumor mongers. It doesn't surprise me they ran this crap. It sounds controversial so it will get plenty of clicks for them. I'm glad I read it here so I don't have to give their website any unique impressions.
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Re: Interesting interview about Wolverine's creation

So the only thing in common for sure is the name "The Wolverine."

He can't remember the details but from the sketch it "seems" the character has a metal skeleton.

From the sketch, it doesn't look like simply a metal skeleton at all, but an android with the outer appearance of a human. An android that can either transform its outer appearance to pass for human, or an android that's been made to look human, and has enhanced abilities because of it, and requires regular mechanical maintenance to sustain itself.

If we're going to be reaching, maybe Marvel copied Timber Wolf's character design for Logan.
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Re: Interesting interview about Wolverine's creation

The Timberwolf/Wolverine connection is an odd one.

Dave Cockrum worked on Legion of Superheroes before he joined Claremont on X-men. He designed several new characters for the team (and a bunch of costumes) but most weren't ever used. Two of those designs were basically repurposed into Nightcrawler and Storm.

IIRC, he has another character, which he called Wolverine (not sure if this predates this guy's Wolverine). When he didn't make it into the series, he redesigned him into Timberwolf.

Later, while working on X-men, they made a thinly veiled parody of the Legion of Superheroes into the Shiar Imperial Guard, and he reused the old Wolverine design for one of the Guardsmen, Fang, the analogue of Timberwolf. Not sure what was up with the thinly veiled parodies, because Marvel also made the Justice League into bad guys with their Squadron Sinister.

Found this:
http://www.cosmicteams.com/legion/do...outsiders.html

Sanderson: "How about Wolverine? Did you have anything to do with his creation?"

Cockrum: "No, but I resented his existence for a long time because I had come up with a Wolverine and shown it to Roy (Thomas, editor of the X-Men at that time) before this Wolverine. I had a series of characters I suggested could be X-Men… How should I put this? I did a montage piece of art with a lot of brand-new characters on it, none of whom was really identified as anything. One of them would up later being used as Tyr in the Legion of Super-Heroes, the guy with the gun on his hand. But anyhow, two of them were brother and sister. She was a vampire who, by one method or another, was going to try to keep it under control, possibly just bite people once and leave them alone, and not kill them off. He was a vulpine type: animalistic, bestial, feral, whom I called Wolverine."

Typhoon, original sketch, sold on ebay, 2008.

Sanderson: "Complete with claws?"

Cockrum: "No, he didn't have claws. But he had fangs and he was a nasty son of a bitch. He had almost the same haircut that Wolverine has now. In the interim, somewhere along the line, Roy suggested to Len, 'How about a Canadian mutant called Wolverine?' I assumed Roy just forgot that I showed him my Wolverine. I was kind of miffed about the whole thing, but it seemed kind of pointless to carry it on. I never did like Wolverine for a long time..."
Also this:

http://www.wolverinefiles.com/wolverine-true-origin/

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