School me on DC comics
08-22-13 | 11:09 AM
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DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: School me on DC comics
Just got this from Wiki - damn that's some out of the ass writing
"Osborn then raised Gwen's two children, a boy and a girl named Gabriel and Sarah. Due to Norman's enhanced blood, the twins aged about 2-3 times faster than normal and became adults within the span of a few years (they are speculated to be between 5 to 9 years old). Osborn told them that Peter was really their father and was responsible for their mother's death"
"Osborn then raised Gwen's two children, a boy and a girl named Gabriel and Sarah. Due to Norman's enhanced blood, the twins aged about 2-3 times faster than normal and became adults within the span of a few years (they are speculated to be between 5 to 9 years old). Osborn told them that Peter was really their father and was responsible for their mother's death"
08-22-13 | 12:55 PM
#27
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: School me on DC comics
As bad as the 90s Clone Saga was, its nothing compared to how badly Marvel ruined Spidey in the 2000s.
Sins Past was an early 2000s storyarc that introduced some major retcons to Gwen Stacy.
Originally as told by Stan Lee, her father Captain Stacy was killed in crossfire during a battle between Doc Ock and Spidey. Gwen blamed Spidey for it and couldn't live in NYC anymore since the whole place was a constant reminder of Spidey, so she moved to Europe to live with her grandparents. She eventually came back, and Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) killed her shortly thereafter simply to torture Spidey.
Well Sins Past retconned all of that. Sins Past revealed that Gwen moved to Europe not because of her father's death, but because she secretly had an affair with Norman and she was pregnant and didn't want Peter to find out. Then Norman killed her to cover it all up. Gwen evidently gave birth before she returned from Europe, and Norman took the twin babies and raised them in secret. The twins returned in Sins Past and one of them became the Grey Goblin.
It was a truly horrible story that turned Gwen Stacy into a slut having sex with Peter's worst enemy.
Then there was One More Day in the late 2000s. Previously to this Peter had publicly revealed his secret identity to the world during the Civil War storyarc. Kingpin hired a sniper assassin to kill Peter. The assassin missed because of Peter's spider-sense warning him in time to dodge, but the bullet hit Aunt May instead. In One More Day, Aunt May is on her deathbed and nothing can save her. Tony Stark can't save her. Doctor Strange can't save her. Nobody can apparently. So what does Peter do? He makes a deal with Mephisto (who is essentially the devil in Marvel) to save Aunt May's life. The deal is that his marriage to Mary Jane is retconned to have never happened.
There was just so much wrong with One More Day. Firstly, Aunt May had come to accept it, and she told Peter that she was ready to die. Peter was selfish and wanted to bring her back anyway. Second, Peter is supposed to be about "with great power comes great responsibility" and here he is making deals with the devil. Uncle Ben would be rolling in his grave. Third, Peter should be intelligent enough to know that making a deal with the devil is never a good idea. It always come back to bite you in the ass in the end. Fourth, Peter sacrifices his love for MJ to save his aunt. I guess that shows who his real true love is.
Sins Past was an early 2000s storyarc that introduced some major retcons to Gwen Stacy.
Originally as told by Stan Lee, her father Captain Stacy was killed in crossfire during a battle between Doc Ock and Spidey. Gwen blamed Spidey for it and couldn't live in NYC anymore since the whole place was a constant reminder of Spidey, so she moved to Europe to live with her grandparents. She eventually came back, and Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) killed her shortly thereafter simply to torture Spidey.
Well Sins Past retconned all of that. Sins Past revealed that Gwen moved to Europe not because of her father's death, but because she secretly had an affair with Norman and she was pregnant and didn't want Peter to find out. Then Norman killed her to cover it all up. Gwen evidently gave birth before she returned from Europe, and Norman took the twin babies and raised them in secret. The twins returned in Sins Past and one of them became the Grey Goblin.
It was a truly horrible story that turned Gwen Stacy into a slut having sex with Peter's worst enemy.
Then there was One More Day in the late 2000s. Previously to this Peter had publicly revealed his secret identity to the world during the Civil War storyarc. Kingpin hired a sniper assassin to kill Peter. The assassin missed because of Peter's spider-sense warning him in time to dodge, but the bullet hit Aunt May instead. In One More Day, Aunt May is on her deathbed and nothing can save her. Tony Stark can't save her. Doctor Strange can't save her. Nobody can apparently. So what does Peter do? He makes a deal with Mephisto (who is essentially the devil in Marvel) to save Aunt May's life. The deal is that his marriage to Mary Jane is retconned to have never happened.
There was just so much wrong with One More Day. Firstly, Aunt May had come to accept it, and she told Peter that she was ready to die. Peter was selfish and wanted to bring her back anyway. Second, Peter is supposed to be about "with great power comes great responsibility" and here he is making deals with the devil. Uncle Ben would be rolling in his grave. Third, Peter should be intelligent enough to know that making a deal with the devil is never a good idea. It always come back to bite you in the ass in the end. Fourth, Peter sacrifices his love for MJ to save his aunt. I guess that shows who his real true love is.
You haven't even gotten into the tangentially related "Trouble" miniseries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trouble_%28comics%29
