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But Barry was already losing his memory at the beginning of Flashpoint. It may be that the new DCnU came about because it was somehow recreated from Barry's memory, which wasn't complete (though you'd think he would remember Iris no matter what). You'd think that at the end of Flashpoint would've been an indicator that SOMETHING had changed, but that was probably just poor writing.

Really, despite all the talk that this was planned way in advance, it seems like they just shoehorned Flashpoint into this. Though this came out a while ago, they did say that anyone that did not have three issues completed by Aug. 31 would basically be replaced, so how far in advance was this planned?

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2011/06/07...-by-august-31/

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OK so here are my Week 1 standings for the New 52... in case anyone cares. In order of preference.

(The way I see it, anything http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/4.gif and up is worth buying straight out. http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/3.5.gifs are very good but missing something, which makes them recommendations with reservations. The http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/3.gifs are average/meh/OK -- pick up ONLY if you're fans of the characters, http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/2.5.gifs are deeply flawed and not worth purchasing, but perhaps maybe salvageable, and http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/2.gif and below can just go pound sand.)


http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/5.gif
Animal Man

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/4.5.gif
Stormwatch
Static Shock

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/4.gif
Men Of War
Action

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/3.5.gif
Batgirl
Detective

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/3.gif
Justice League
OMAC
Batwing
Swamp Thing

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/2.5.gif
Hawk and Dove (would have been 3 if not for the art)

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/2.gif
Justice League International

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/1.gif
Green Arrow

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Creative talent were probably not given much advance notice, except for a few of the bigger names. Rumors indicate DiDio was given an ultimatum by the corporate overlords and that his job was on the line, so reboot time. It was probably something that had been previously contemplated at the highest levels of DC, but sagging sales finally forced their hand.

I doubt Flashpoint was originally intended to be the final goodbye of the Post-Crisis DC universe, because as is it did not really work that way. Instead lots of storylines just limped to the finish for major characters.

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JL #4 Cover:

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The DC Comics New Reader Litmus Test: The New 52

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=34344

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Is that trident on a keychain attached to his belt? So he won't lose it?

I wonder if they get around to fighting bad guys by issue 6. That'll be something.

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"Are they all Asian, or is that just how they're drawn" -- non comic-book reader reaction to Hawk and Dove.

I kinda wish they went with a bunch of kids for their opinions. I don't see this promotion pulling in working professionals who already have a disposition that superhero comics are for kids. And I think kids can kinda roll with the issues without having to have everything explained to them in detail (I mean, I have no idea how popular Batman: Brave and the Bold is but they just jam cool characters in there and explain stuff later).

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I'm with you, but as I don't have any sway over how DC operates I'm left with choosing to be hopeful.

I think the best evidence of what's wrong with DiDio and Johns at the helm of the company can be found in their interviews for the various DCU animated movies. Watch the interview with DiDio and Johns on Green Lantern: Emerald Knights as they talk about what they've been doing in comics and it becomes obvious that they're creating these large scale stories that include as many characters as possible for the sake of doing so. Listening to them carry on about their massive stories that include and affect the entire DCU it becomes obvious that they've gone down the rabbit hole and are now viewing stories in terms of telling stories about the DCU instead of telling stories with the DCU. It's not about whether a story needs to be told that includes Batman or Green Arrow any more than their decision is based on whether or not they need 22 issues to tell a story. It's about DiDio is stuck in the mindset that massive = important and Johns, God help him, is the guy charged with making that happen.

It's the same mentality that has alienated me from Star Trek and Star Wars novels and comics for much of the last 20 years. For me, the test of whether something is actually worth exploring is the synopsis test. If I ask, "What's this about?" and you have to give me an entire back story so I can even be introduced to something, then you don't have an actual story. What you have is part of self-important, self-referential "universe."

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Darkseid is supposed to be the villain in the first arc. At this rate, he probably won't show up until the last part. The first five issues seem to be the JLA members fighting each other, and then banding together to fight Darkseid in issue six.

That's story decompression at the worst.

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:lol:

This is about what I expected, honestly. All complaints can be traced to the same underlying cause that has led to other complaints of readers like myself and others in this thread who soured on comics in the last decade: They take readers for granted too much.

After years of creating stories about the DCU instead of telling stories that use the DCU, I fear too many editors and writers have lost their perspective on what those instances of taking us for granted even are. I'm sure some read this piece and thought, "Well, these people were never going to become comics readers anyway." That may be true, but it's a horrible reaction to have. The industry can't afford to only preach to the choir; its congregation is dwindling and they need more butts in pews. And, frankly, keeping in mind readers like this sample group would be healthy anyway, as it might help guard against editors and writers taking too much for granted.

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The problem is this: these are people that have never picked up a comic book before and appear to be grown ups, either in full time jobs or college students. What could DC or any other company possibly do to make them start reading comic books about superheroes? Even addressing their complaints (most of which are basically that you need to tell the origin and explain everything in the first issue), are they going to go out and buy these if those complaints are addressed? No way.

Now bringing back old readers, that's something they can do. Also, extending it out to kids to get new readers (and this is where the pricepoint thing is addressed. Do you really think adults who have never picked up a comic would start reading them if we brought them down to 99c? No, but kids might). Now whether this DCnU is doing either is something we'll see. I do see people who read comics, but not DC comics, have new interest in these titles, but how long lasting is this?

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There's an interview somewhere where DiDio said they wanted to do this after Final Crisis but Levitz wouldn't let them.

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I loved Animal Man ('90s) and collected it's whole run. I don't collect anymore but if you guys are saying the new one is really good I might just have to check it out.

If anything good comes out of this, I'm hoping that the older stories in TBP will start getting more of a discount now. I'm on a real TPB kick these days- GoHastings is an especially good source for used ones.

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I didn't read Animal Man beyond the Morrison run, but this is a very promising first issue.

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The Peter Milligan 6-issue arc that came after Morrison's Animal Man run was quite good indeed. Excellent material.

The Tom Veitch shit, on the other hand... totally sank the book. And it went on and on and on...

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The Deathstroke #1 preview is out, and is it just me or did Deathstroke just kill J. Jonah Jameson?

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Another really strong week for the DC books IMO. Deathstroke was ridiculous and over the top awesome. Batwoman looks amazing. Demon Knights was fun, and funny. Suicide Squad was a fantastic introduction. Superboy, GL, and Grifter were all good story setups. Lots of good options for folks this week for sure.

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I didn't know that Jim Lee posted on DVDTalk! Go figure! ;)

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i've only read Green Arrow and OMAC so far. I hated OMAC and thought Green Arrow was a good first issue (not that i liked the changes, just the writing)

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This week's Mystery Woman appearances

Don't click if you want to Waldo it yourself.

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Plot twist for Birds of Prey #4

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Could Aquaman possibly look more bored in that picture? I know superheroes do all sorts of exciting things and are probably very jaded, but I like to think that no matter how jaded I got, if I were about to [REDACTED] [REDACTED] in the [REDACTED], I would show a little emotion.

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And we see that the DC editors indeed haven't changed at all.

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I think the colorist just goofed. If you look at #1, the suit is drawn the same as there, just colored wrong.



That doesn't explain the guest appearance without letting the character's main writer know, though.

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All I picked up this week was Green Lantern. Interesting start. Curious to see where they take it from here.