Reading X-Men! Tips and Advice?
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I'll have to check out Regenesis, that sounds interesting to me since it was random to see who picked Wolverine and who stayed with Cyclops, and even then it wasn't entirely clear who went with who at the end of Schism.
I know Claremont worked on X-Men Forever a couple years ago so I'm not sure what you last read, but honestly I'll repeat it, I thought Messiah Complex/Messiah War/Second Coming was just about as good as any of the older arcs that i've read.
I know Claremont worked on X-Men Forever a couple years ago so I'm not sure what you last read, but honestly I'll repeat it, I thought Messiah Complex/Messiah War/Second Coming was just about as good as any of the older arcs that i've read.
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Yikes, so many of those names that I don't even recognize.
I can't remember what I last actually read. I remember being turned off by Morrison and never really getting into CC's third run so I think early "New X-Men" was my end point.
Maybe I'll check out Messiah if those 3 mentioned are nice somewhat contained reads.
I can't remember what I last actually read. I remember being turned off by Morrison and never really getting into CC's third run so I think early "New X-Men" was my end point.
Maybe I'll check out Messiah if those 3 mentioned are nice somewhat contained reads.
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I posted this in the omnibus thread, but i don't know how much of a crossover there is between the 2, i know a few of us have commented in both, but i thought this might be healpful for someone reading X-men. This is a list of the issues reprinted in Omnibus size collections, I mean they will stand next to an omnibus and be the same height (and the issues that are missing), , but many are much thinner. I plan to do this for the older x-factor, x-froce, x-men (new x-men/x-men legacy), and New Mutants at some point, but I don't know when i ll get to it.
Uncanny X-Men Omnibus vol. 01 – 1-31
Uncanny X-Men Omnibus vol. 02 – 32-66
67-93 - were reprints of earlier issue
The Uncanny X-Men Omnibus vol. 1 – 94-131 + GS X-men 1 and Annual #3 (Annual 1&2 were just reprints)
X-Men: Dark Phoenix Saga – 129-138
139-171 - Missing
Wolverine Omnibus – 172-173
174 -195 - Missing
Secret Wars II Omnibus – 196
197-201 – Missing
Secret Wars II Omnibus – 202-203
204-209 – Missing
X-Men: Mutant Massacre – 210-214
215-219 - Missing
X-Men: Fall of the Mutants Omnibus – 220-227
228-234 - Missing
X-Men: X-Tinction Agenda – 235-238
X-Men Inferno – 239-243
X-Men: Claremont/Lee Omnibus vol 01 – 244-269 + Annual # 13
Acts of Vengeance Omnibus – 256-258
X-Men: X-Tinction Agenda – 270-272
X-Men: Claremont/Lee Omnibus vol 02 –273-280 to be released January 2012
281-293 - Missing
X-Men: X-cutioner’s Song – 294-297
X-Men: Fatal Attraction - 298-305 to be released April 2012
306-314 - Missing
X-Men: Fatal Attraction - 315 to be released April 2012
316-474 - Missing
Uncanny X-Men Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire – 475-486
487-491 - Missing (because only the B-stories in 488-491 were collected)
X-Men: Endangered Species – 488-491 (B stories)
X-Men: Messiah Complex – 492-494
495-499 - Missing
X-Men: Manifest Destiny – 500-503
504-512 - Missing
Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Utopia - 513-514
X-Men: Nation X – 515-522
X-Men: Second Coming – 523-525
Uncanny X-Men Omnibus vol. 01 – 1-31
Uncanny X-Men Omnibus vol. 02 – 32-66
67-93 - were reprints of earlier issue
The Uncanny X-Men Omnibus vol. 1 – 94-131 + GS X-men 1 and Annual #3 (Annual 1&2 were just reprints)
X-Men: Dark Phoenix Saga – 129-138
139-171 - Missing
Wolverine Omnibus – 172-173
174 -195 - Missing
Secret Wars II Omnibus – 196
197-201 – Missing
Secret Wars II Omnibus – 202-203
204-209 – Missing
X-Men: Mutant Massacre – 210-214
215-219 - Missing
X-Men: Fall of the Mutants Omnibus – 220-227
228-234 - Missing
X-Men: X-Tinction Agenda – 235-238
X-Men Inferno – 239-243
X-Men: Claremont/Lee Omnibus vol 01 – 244-269 + Annual # 13
Acts of Vengeance Omnibus – 256-258
X-Men: X-Tinction Agenda – 270-272
X-Men: Claremont/Lee Omnibus vol 02 –273-280 to be released January 2012
281-293 - Missing
X-Men: X-cutioner’s Song – 294-297
X-Men: Fatal Attraction - 298-305 to be released April 2012
306-314 - Missing
X-Men: Fatal Attraction - 315 to be released April 2012
316-474 - Missing
Uncanny X-Men Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire – 475-486
487-491 - Missing (because only the B-stories in 488-491 were collected)
X-Men: Endangered Species – 488-491 (B stories)
X-Men: Messiah Complex – 492-494
495-499 - Missing
X-Men: Manifest Destiny – 500-503
504-512 - Missing
Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Utopia - 513-514
X-Men: Nation X – 515-522
X-Men: Second Coming – 523-525
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#106
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Thanks ivelostr2, that checklist helps a lot!
I guess the inclusion of the earlier Genosha stories in the Xtinction Agenda HC, plus the fact that it bridges the gap between the Lee/Silvestri/Claremont Omnis, makes it tempting enough for me to buy it. Unfortunately, it seems like Inferno HC is at full price at Amazon or I'd grab that too.
You know, of the pre-Image era, I had been collecting Lee's Uncanny and I read through all of Liefeld's New Mutants, but the one title I never really was able to read (because the back issue prices were insane and I don't think they ever really collected them) were Simonson/Portacio's X-Factor, featuring a lot of Apocalypse backstory. Am I incorrect, and are there collections out for them? In that era, this was basically the second X-men book with the original members.
I guess the inclusion of the earlier Genosha stories in the Xtinction Agenda HC, plus the fact that it bridges the gap between the Lee/Silvestri/Claremont Omnis, makes it tempting enough for me to buy it. Unfortunately, it seems like Inferno HC is at full price at Amazon or I'd grab that too.
You know, of the pre-Image era, I had been collecting Lee's Uncanny and I read through all of Liefeld's New Mutants, but the one title I never really was able to read (because the back issue prices were insane and I don't think they ever really collected them) were Simonson/Portacio's X-Factor, featuring a lot of Apocalypse backstory. Am I incorrect, and are there collections out for them? In that era, this was basically the second X-men book with the original members.
#107
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Thanks ivelostr2, that checklist helps a lot!
I guess the inclusion of the earlier Genosha stories in the Xtinction Agenda HC, plus the fact that it bridges the gap between the Lee/Silvestri/Claremont Omnis, makes it tempting enough for me to buy it. Unfortunately, it seems like Inferno HC is at full price at Amazon or I'd grab that too.
You know, of the pre-Image era, I had been collecting Lee's Uncanny and I read through all of Liefeld's New Mutants, but the one title I never really was able to read (because the back issue prices were insane and I don't think they ever really collected them) were Simonson/Portacio's X-Factor, featuring a lot of Apocalypse backstory. Am I incorrect, and are there collections out for them? In that era, this was basically the second X-men book with the original members.
I guess the inclusion of the earlier Genosha stories in the Xtinction Agenda HC, plus the fact that it bridges the gap between the Lee/Silvestri/Claremont Omnis, makes it tempting enough for me to buy it. Unfortunately, it seems like Inferno HC is at full price at Amazon or I'd grab that too.
You know, of the pre-Image era, I had been collecting Lee's Uncanny and I read through all of Liefeld's New Mutants, but the one title I never really was able to read (because the back issue prices were insane and I don't think they ever really collected them) were Simonson/Portacio's X-Factor, featuring a lot of Apocalypse backstory. Am I incorrect, and are there collections out for them? In that era, this was basically the second X-men book with the original members.
Yeah, no formal collections in HC's they might be collected in a visionary trade or something. I'm in my car and can't check...
Some of the issues are collected in other trades...I ended up making a list on friday night of all the X-books and what was collected in this format. Ill post tonight when I get home.
Last edited by ivelostr2; 10-17-11 at 02:20 PM.
#108
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You know, of the pre-Image era, I had been collecting Lee's Uncanny and I read through all of Liefeld's New Mutants, but the one title I never really was able to read (because the back issue prices were insane and I don't think they ever really collected them) were Simonson/Portacio's X-Factor, featuring a lot of Apocalypse backstory. Am I incorrect, and are there collections out for them? In that era, this was basically the second X-men book with the original members.
I think I'm leaving out an Iceman story as well but I think that was only scripted by Simonson.
Funny that I think Portacio's really early work here was the best his art ever looked.
#109
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Very short run but I absolutely loved the moon Apocalypse story. Calling it part of Simonson's run though is being generous because I think it was plotted by by Lee and Portacio and scripted by Claremont and had a ton of Cable back story.
I think I'm leaving out an Iceman story as well but I think that was only scripted by Simonson.
Funny that I think Portacio's really early work here was the best his art ever looked.
I think I'm leaving out an Iceman story as well but I think that was only scripted by Simonson.
Funny that I think Portacio's really early work here was the best his art ever looked.
I liked Portacio's work in Uncanny and even early Wetworks (before his sister's illness and then his coma). I don't know if my artistic tastes changed or his art changed, but his post coma stuff seems marred by really huge necks and odd faces.
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You know, of the pre-Image era, I had been collecting Lee's Uncanny and I read through all of Liefeld's New Mutants, but the one title I never really was able to read (because the back issue prices were insane and I don't think they ever really collected them) were Simonson/Portacio's X-Factor, featuring a lot of Apocalypse backstory. Am I incorrect, and are there collections out for them? In that era, this was basically the second X-men book with the original members.
And, yes, X-Factor was, in its original run (#1-70) was a reunion of the original five X-Men, and the third ongoing X-Family book. Hard to believe there was a time when it just Uncanny X-Men and New Mutants!
#112
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I knew X-Factor was always the original X-men (thanks to Busiek's Jean Grey idea) but while I enjoyed the book, I felt like they were always sidetracked by something... the original Mutant Hunter gimmick, then the proliferation of side characters (Rusty and Skids and Rictor and Leech and Artie), but I felt like the Portacio run made it more action oriented and more like the X-men title... probably because of Claremont's involvement.
Still, I wouldn't mind an X-factor omnibus... I'm a little surprised they haven't been collected in anything but Essentials (and crossover hardcovers), since New Mutants and Excalibur both have color (non HC) collections.
Still, I wouldn't mind an X-factor omnibus... I'm a little surprised they haven't been collected in anything but Essentials (and crossover hardcovers), since New Mutants and Excalibur both have color (non HC) collections.
#113
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I knew X-Factor was always the original X-men (thanks to Busiek's Jean Grey idea) but while I enjoyed the book, I felt like they were always sidetracked by something... the original Mutant Hunter gimmick, then the proliferation of side characters (Rusty and Skids and Rictor and Leech and Artie), but I felt like the Portacio run made it more action oriented and more like the X-men title... probably because of Claremont's involvement.
Still, I wouldn't mind an X-factor omnibus... I'm a little surprised they haven't been collected in anything but Essentials (and crossover hardcovers), since New Mutants and Excalibur both have color (non HC) collections.
Still, I wouldn't mind an X-factor omnibus... I'm a little surprised they haven't been collected in anything but Essentials (and crossover hardcovers), since New Mutants and Excalibur both have color (non HC) collections.
ok, so this is what has been collected in the oversized, Omnibus height HCs for the other X-books.
It looks like they could do a 28 issue X-factor omni, skipping the Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants, Inferno, and Acts of Vengence issues and include 1-8, 12-17, 27-32, and 41-48. then we would have all the way to 50 one way or another...or, if they included 51-62, it would be a 40 issue omnibus, on par with Simonson's Thor, and it would collect the entire run before Havok takes over as leader...I'd buy it for sure.
X-Men 1991/New X-Men 2001/X-Men Legacy 2008
X-Men: Claremont/Lee Omnibus vol 02 –1-11 to be released January 2012
Missing – 12-13
X-Men: X-cutioner’s Song – 14-16
Missing – 17-114
New X-Men Omnibus – 114-154
New X-Men Hardcover Vol 1 – 114-126
New X-Men Hardcover Vol 2 – 127-141
New X-Men Hardcover Vol 3 – 142-154
Missing – 154-187
X-Men: Supernovas – 188-199
Missing – 200-204
X-Men: Messiah Complex – 205-208
Missing – 209-225
Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Utopia – 226-227
Missing – 228-230
X-Necrosha – 231-233
Missing – 234
X-Men: Second Coming – 235-237
Missing – 238-244
Age of X –245-247
X-Force 1991
Missing – 1-15
X-Men: X-cutioner’s Song – 16-18
Missing – 18-24
X-Men: Fatal Attraction - 25 to be released April 2012
Missing - 26-129
X-Force 2008
Missing – 1-20
X-Necrosha – 21-25
X-Men: Second Coming – 26-28
Uncanny X-Force 2011
Missing 1-16
X-Factor 1986
Missing – 1-8
X-Men: Mutant Massacre – 9-11
Missing – 12-17
X-Men: Fall of the Mutants Omnibus – 18-26
Missing –27-32
X-Men Inferno – 33-40
Missing –41-48
Acts of Vengeance Omnibus – 49-50
Missing – 51 -62
X-Men: Claremont/Lee Omnibus vol 02 – 63-70 to be released January 2012
Missing – 71-83
X-Men: X-cutioner’s Song – 84-86
X-Men: Fatal Attraction - 87-92 to be released April 2012
Missing – 93-149
X-Factor 2006
Missing – 1-24
X-Men: Messiah Complex – 25-27
Missing – 28-50
X-Factor 2010
Missing – 200-203
X-Men: Second Coming Revelations – 204-206
Missing –207-225
New Mutants 1986
Missing – 1-30
Secret Wars II Omnibus – 30
Missing – 31-35
Secret Wars II Omnibus – 36-37
Missing – 38-45
X-Men: Mutant Massacre – 46
Missing – 45-54
X-Men: Fall of the Mutants Omnibus – 55-61
Missing – 62-70
X-Men Inferno – 71-73
Missing – 74-83
Acts of Vengeance Omnibus – 84-86
Missing – 87-100
New Mutants 2009
Missing – 1-5
X-Necrosha – 6-8
Missing - 9-11
X-Men: Second Coming – 12 -14
Missing – 13-21
Age of X – 22-24
Excalibur 1988
Missing 1-5
X-Men Inferno Crossovers Omnibus – 6-7
Missing 7-70
X-Men: Fatal Attraction - 71 to be released April 2012
Missing 72-125
Wolverine 1988
Wolverine Omnibus 1-4
Wolverine 1988
Wolverine Omnibus 1-10
Missing 11-18
Acts of Vengeance Omnibus – 19-20
Missing 21-74
X-Men: Fatal Attraction - 75 to be released April 2012
Missing 76-189
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Nice lists
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I put this in the Omnibus thread as well...
Fatal Attractions is getting an oversized collection too
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078...&pf_rd_i=typ01
COLLECTING: Uncanny X-Men 298-305, 315, Annual 17; X-Factor 87-92; X-Men Unlimited 1-2; X-Force 25; X-Men 25; Wolverine 75; Excalibur 71
Fatal Attractions is getting an oversized collection too
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078...&pf_rd_i=typ01
COLLECTING: Uncanny X-Men 298-305, 315, Annual 17; X-Factor 87-92; X-Men Unlimited 1-2; X-Force 25; X-Men 25; Wolverine 75; Excalibur 71
#116
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Don't remember Fatal Attractions. Peter's sister dies during this correct? Damn, I'm really drawing a blank, I remember X-Force #25 and X-Men #25 but for the life of me can't remember the over arching story.
#117
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Spoiler:
I'm still going through the Claremont/Lee/Silvestri (with "bonus" issue by Liefeld) first omnibus... I know people here liked that Reavers/Australia era, but man I'm having trouble getting through it. Just made it past the issue where the temporary X-men defended Muir Island (Sunder, Banshee, She-Hulked Polaris, Amanda Sefton, who then need to get bailed out by Freedom Force and Forge). The X-men pretty much disappeared from this book (I still don't understand what happened to Longshot), it became a Woliverine one-shot with Rick Leonardi art, and then this? Ugh. I had thought Claremont had regressed in his Sovereign Seven days, but I think I forgot how bad this was. Perhaps what I remember most about this run are the covers, mainly because I had these issues and they were, at the time, worth money due to early Lee art and the first appearance of asian Psylocke, Gambit, and Jubilee (this is probably why I never re-read them until now).
Also, I like Silvestri but the every-two-weeks thing must have killed his quality or something. He went on to Wolverine after this, right, with Lee full time on X-men?
#118
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Loved the Outback days, but it falls apart when you get to the Muir Island/Shadow King(never could stand him as a villain), issues. Still one of my favorite covers all time is the crucified Wolverine cover of 248(?) Maybe it was the fact that the X-Men cheated death but one by one they all had to pay it back.
#119
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Fatal Attractions was the pinnacle of my comic book youth, since the thought of Wolverine getting his adamantium pulled out was pretty devastating and amazing to me at the time. And yeah, Illyana dies in the issue before of Uncanny (#303, with #304 being the Fatal Attractions issue).
I hate those large hard covers these days though. I'd rather just have a paperback reprint of it.
I hate those large hard covers these days though. I'd rather just have a paperback reprint of it.
#120
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So just how bad was X-necrosha? Comixology is having a 99c sale on it, and I've been in a digital buying mood (but I think most of the X-force issues are included in the hardcover I ordered).
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These reprints just make my single issues near worthless.
#122
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I'm enjoying Wolverine and the X-Men. I loved the little chart of the teachers and students at the school, and Iceman got to do some cool stuff in issue #2.
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My X-Men reading continues! Thanks to the last nick and dent sale from TFAW, I picked up Marvel Masterworks TPB's of The X-Men volume 1 and 2, and Uncanny X-Men volume 1. I just finished reading The X-Men, and finally(!) read Giant Sized X-men #1.
It was really interesting finally reading the first 20 issues of the X-Men. I've seen that famous cover so many times, but i've never read those old stories before. A lot of stuff is somewhat dated, especially the devices, clothing, and dialog, but its even more interesting to see everything that is still relevant. I never realized how many characters and villains are there from the get go as someone who's really only read some 80's to present day stories. Watching Magneto, Blob, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Juggernaut, and the Sentinels look largely the same as they do 50 years later is pretty cool, despite the simplicity of the stories and the somewhat silly exposition and banter of those days. I never realized Vanisher in one of the early stories is the same character I would read later on as a part of X-Force too.
Overall, they were an entertaining read but not something I imagine I would revisit regularly given the pretty basic stories and relatively tame action and use of powers. I'll probably buy the other Masterworks volumes in paperback eventually, as i'm interested in seeing the debut of Havoc and Polaris.
Giant Sized X-Men... now there we go! I still have the rest of the Uncanny volume to read, but the tone, artwork, and action is close to the X-Men I know and love and grew up with. Love the artwork, good introduction to the new characters that I still enjoy today, and i'm finally going to get to read all the stuff Claremont put together. I've read stories like Dark Phoenix and Days of Future Past individually, but i'm excited to read them in order. I went and ordered volumes 2 and 3 from Amazon and plan to plow through them in the next week while i'm stuck at home since i'll be getting surgery for a hernia tomorrow.
This is fun, my thread has lasted me a good while
It was really interesting finally reading the first 20 issues of the X-Men. I've seen that famous cover so many times, but i've never read those old stories before. A lot of stuff is somewhat dated, especially the devices, clothing, and dialog, but its even more interesting to see everything that is still relevant. I never realized how many characters and villains are there from the get go as someone who's really only read some 80's to present day stories. Watching Magneto, Blob, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Juggernaut, and the Sentinels look largely the same as they do 50 years later is pretty cool, despite the simplicity of the stories and the somewhat silly exposition and banter of those days. I never realized Vanisher in one of the early stories is the same character I would read later on as a part of X-Force too.
Overall, they were an entertaining read but not something I imagine I would revisit regularly given the pretty basic stories and relatively tame action and use of powers. I'll probably buy the other Masterworks volumes in paperback eventually, as i'm interested in seeing the debut of Havoc and Polaris.
Giant Sized X-Men... now there we go! I still have the rest of the Uncanny volume to read, but the tone, artwork, and action is close to the X-Men I know and love and grew up with. Love the artwork, good introduction to the new characters that I still enjoy today, and i'm finally going to get to read all the stuff Claremont put together. I've read stories like Dark Phoenix and Days of Future Past individually, but i'm excited to read them in order. I went and ordered volumes 2 and 3 from Amazon and plan to plow through them in the next week while i'm stuck at home since i'll be getting surgery for a hernia tomorrow.
This is fun, my thread has lasted me a good while
#124
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Most of the fun of Claremont is reading his stuff in order and seeing the ground work he laid for things that wouldn't come up until years later.
#125
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Or would never get resolved at all.. 
Finally read X-men Schism. Like a lot of the major crossovers, I think it's pretty obvious that they had a status quo they wanted to get to and filled in issues to try to get there, and I wasn't buying the whole reason behind the split between Cyclops and Wolverine from the very beginning. Plus, the choice for "big bad" is cringe-worthy, IMHO.

Finally read X-men Schism. Like a lot of the major crossovers, I think it's pretty obvious that they had a status quo they wanted to get to and filled in issues to try to get there, and I wasn't buying the whole reason behind the split between Cyclops and Wolverine from the very beginning. Plus, the choice for "big bad" is cringe-worthy, IMHO.



