Jumping Jesus Christ!

Um, you can be sexual without making comic book women look like porn stars.

You have many prominent comic writers, editors, etc. saying they want more women reading comics, but they continue to release shit like this that only appeals to straight men.

I would like to see, say, Spider-Man have a new costume with nipple holes, a thong, and strategic rips all over it, drawn with a huge dick, and see what all the straight guy comic readers have to say about it, because that would be approaching parity with the way women are portrayed in comics.

Um, sure. But straight men are also very visual and they like seeing things that turn them on.

I'm still wondering why your posts seem to be a bit angry towards me. It's like you think I'm just fucking with you or something. I think I've shown that I can see your side of things. I didn't even bring up the Gay and Straight thing but if you want to got there then guess what? You're a minority in hobby where straight males drive sales. Right or wrong that means they get what the Editors and Artists thinks that crowd wants to see. You don't see me bitchin' about there being too many White Blonde female heroes do you? I don't because again, White straight males drive the sale and that's what they tend to like. Believe me, I've seen the Various comic boards and they bitch about "Ethnic heroes" replacement heroes far more than busty ones. You should see them bitch about new Black Firestorm and the new Asian Atom over at the DC forums.

Anyway, I think I presented an idea that might go a long way towards less so called "offensive" portrayals of females in comics by suggesting more women and conservative minded men in the art departments. I get the feelling not even that would make you happy. Perhaps I should also add more Gay men? Then perhaps much like in the fashion and Hair industry, the women will all become thin and flat chested, with no curves, and short hair....Esentially looking like men. Would that bring you back into comics? Would that make you happy?

I've said it before, if Gay men suddenly start reading comics in droves then you can bet the companies will decrease Female Busts and increase male nipple views and cod pieces. But then again if Lesbians start reading...will we go back to square one?

Peace

It has nothing to do with you. I'm just a sarcastic asshole. It's nothing personal.

Honestly, I don't really care if women are ever portrayed differently in comics, or if there is parity between the sexes. I just hate that most comics readers, who are overwhelmingly straight men, refuse to even entertain the idea that MAYBE this stuff is degrading and MAYBE there's a reason why more women (and yes, gay men) don't read them.

I also find it interesting that the only two options you see are fuckdoll or stereotypical lesbian.

But see- I never read superhero comics for sexual titillation, and I have no desire to see tarted-up male superheroes. Maybe hypersexualization of women is just a trope of the genre and it will never get any better; I really don't know. If that's true, though, it would be nice for the writers and editors to just admit it.

I agree with everything Adam Hughes said in that interview - and everyone else is just acting *********...

But that's an interpretation after the fact. Teen girl fashion magazines feature men and women that look little different from comic book characters, except that the men are sexualized, and the women are idols.

The results are the same either way, even if the roles are swapped.

And I have no problem with that, because no editor of a teenage girl magazine is making important-sounding noises about bringing boys to their publication.

Also, superhero comics are read primarily by adult men, not teenage boys.

Let's throw this upcoming cover into the mix:



Appropriate? Inappropriate?

Do you ever get tired of saying the same thing over and over again?

We get your point. We also got it the last five times you made it.

Seriously. Comic books are male-fantasies, and in most male fantasies the women look ridiculously hot and the action heroes are bulging steroid freaks. That's just the way it is. Arguing that it should be changed is like arguing for male-male action in straight porn.

I'm sure if this was a more traditional MJ pose, the preorders for this statue from women and non-straight men would be huge!

This isn't one of those "crossover" products, and I would assume the Heroes for Hire thing isn't either...

I'm sorry, it's a thread about this topic and I'm responding to people. If you don't like it, well, that's what the ignore list is for.

Am I killing your comic buzz or something? Sheesh.

Again, that's fine, but then why are comics editors, etc. so strident about wanting to bring more women into comics? Are they being deliberately misleading or do they just not get it?

It's not about selling lots of kitschy statutes or mediocre comics to women and gays. It's about whether Marvel's output creates a tendency among its audience to think of women in certain roles -- the captive, the assistant, the wife/girlfriend/fuckdoll. Does the statue make the audience think "Hey, Mary Jane is an important and independent character, worthy of being appreciated in her own right and not simply as an accessory to Spider-Man?" I suppose it depends on whether you see the statue as one of a sexy woman doing her boyfriend's laundry in a "fuck me" pose or as one of an inquisitive woman who has just learned Spider-Man's secret identity (in a "fuck me" pose).

Unbelievable, but after all, superhero comics are "male fantasy".

If it makes anyone feel better, any time i draw Superman, he has a pretty big bulge. I mean come on, Man of Steel. I figure that helps balance out my big boobie drawings

Anyone who developes their view of women on comics (or any other medium) is serverely troubled, and it's not the comic publisher's fault.
Comics are sure not responsible for creating gender roles (you can blame our ancestors going back hundreds of thousands of years for that).

And sexy does not equal sexist. A woman that's attractive, or in a sexy pose is still a person, and can be respected as such.
It's actually possible to find a woman attractive, and respect them as a person.

There's a difference between bringing women into comics, and bringing them into specific comics. There's always (just like with magazines) going to be targeted products.

I would suspect that instead of making the entire comic universe more female-friendly, they are targeting certain comics to be that way. Or they are just full of shit and don't care about bringing in females viewers, but only pretend that they are. Since I don't hold comics to some sort of moral standard, I don't care either way.

Marvel's output sexist? They have a woman who's very well endowed leading the Avengers in a comic drawn by an artist who specializes in cheesecake. Oh, wait.

And I don't mind that Marvel uses women in the role of wife/girlfriend... do you want them to use men?

Well, Marvel is making all sorts of statements about bringing women into superhero comics, specifically.

THIS statue has always made me feel degraded.



TOTALLY sexist, if ya ask me..

First sexism, now racism?

You just made Adam Hughes' point (people being ignorant of the meaning of the word "*********").

You mean Groucho wasn't being sarcastic?
Or were you being sarcastic?
Am I being sarcstic right now...?