bishop2knight

mrhan, we was just givin' ya a hard time. Lives were not in danger with your spoilers.

As for the eBay prices, I'm so off of collecting right now, I don't even want to hassle with going to the comic shop to buy this issue. It's all about the story for me these days, and I can read the story in one whole once the trade is collected.

dadaluholla

These sudden BUZZ books are one of the main reasons the single floppy issue format will continue to live a long and healthy life.

DieselsDen

Superheroes have died and returned back to life with greater dependability that Jesus. At least Marvel waited nearly twenty years to pull this gimmick following Superman's own death.




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clappj

WTF?

The Antipodean

*Yawn* I'm so sick of the hype over Civil War, and I even sort of liked the main miniseries. But it's just absurd now.

stingermck

Sigh

I think this is part that bothers me most:

For a superhero many thought perfect, it was perhaps a fatal flaw for "Cap," as he became known.

"He hasn't been living in the modern world and the world does move," says Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Queseda.

Oh. OK. Lets not write him in better stories, thats just too much of a challenge, killing him is so much easier and leads to more bank for Marvel. Now, more than ever, it feels like Civil War was just a big $hit on Cap.

Anyway, Newsarama is blowing up with coverage, and here's the latest, complete with spoilers for "Fallen Son"

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=104091

Spoilers for the issue from Wiki:



Oh well, back to Max and DCU

yecul

Is one cover better than the other? I stopped collecting comics a loong time ago. Not really sure which one I prefer, so since personal taste isn't a factor maybe you guys would know who's the "better" artist or whatever.

Edit -- N/M, picked up the dead cover rather than the one with him running toward you. Thought it was more fitting.

No luck retail, fwiw.

madcougar

I was put off by the female reporter's rant in the middle of Frontline 11. I guess she's trying to make a point that Steve Rogers has lost touch with humanity because he doesn't have a My Space or some crap like that. Huh? So I'm now to assume that Peter Parker has time to blog on My Space at watch Kimbo Slice's latest fight on You Tube? Seriously?

They're super heroes bitch! They're not 12 year old girls.

I guess that's the new company line: "He was expendable because he wasn't really part of this modern world."

Let's just forget the fact he spent his life saving it over and over. A sad day for Marvel Comics.

Amazingly, the same argument (iconic hero whom the world has passed by) was probably had at DC a few years ago and they came up with Action Comics 775 , perhaps my favorite Superman story ever.

Wildo1966

People are paying $30 each for this issue on Ebay.....It is crazy and I think it may get worse....There is simply not enough copies out there for sale...Forget getting it at retail...

dadaluholla

Wow. What was the last book to catch fire this quickly?

mrhan

Yeah, I know. It's cool. I just thought I'd post it since I thought people here might be interested in what the media is saying about it. Funny thing is I haven't bought any recent comic books in ten years. I stick to golden age and silver age collecting nowadays. However, I'm going to pick this up just to see how they resolve it.

Wildo1966

The last comic I recall that had this much madness was Superman #75 the death of Superman...People went crazy for that book!

wlj

my mouth is just on the floor.


i just bought the comic online from East Coast Comics. Hopefully i will get it.

JasonF

[nerd]Superman #75 was the death issue, not Superman #25.[/nerd]

PalmerJoss

My LCS was totally sold out of it at 2pm, which is just amazing. They usually overorder on most titles and they were still sold out 3 hours after the store opened, so there will probably be a big resale market for this issue. It also means a second printing will be forthcoming shortly. I hope to find a copy at another comic shop near me tomorrow, but I'm not hopeful.

CaptainMarvel

Maybe they'll bring him back with a mullet like they tried to do with Superman? (Anybody care to photoshop Brock Samson from the Venture Bros into a Captain America outfit?)

JustinCleveland

Luckily my LCS had a copy in stock, I got the last one (Thanks to the fact that my totally-awesome neighbor works there). However I had the surprise spoiled by this thread's former title and a few scattered lines in "The Initiative" which I stupidly-read first.

Still, amazing. I skimmed it, and really need to go back. And then buy the Winter Soldier arcs.

MovieExchange

I think you missed something, because she made a great point to Steve. She wasn't really saying that he should *have* a MySpace (although old-timers like myself will remember back when Cap did have a computer network set up where he could receive tips from all over the country). She was saying that he still acts like this is the 1940's. He claims to represent America, but in reality the America he represents has been gone a long time, and has been replaced by a new society with new values... so how can he claim to represent it if he doesn't understand it? How can he protect its people if he doesn't understand them?

The version of Cap in The Ultimates (when they can bother to put an issue out) portrays this flaw much better.

madcougar

No I understood what the reporter was saying just fine. My point is he HAS TO understand our society to defend it? Isn't our society still based on the basic premise that our forefathers established? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Everything else is just decoration.

So what if he doesn't understand our society? I don't understand why my daughter will JUST DIE! if I won't pay for up to 1,000 text messages a month, but that doesn't mean I can't be her father. The argument is flawed in my book.

I understand these are funny books. I really do. But if an invasion from outer space occurred and Grandpa Simpson saved the day, I wouldn't be resentful of the fact he doesn't share the same fascination I do for videos of guys getting kicked in the nuts on You Tube. I'd kiss his sweet ass for preventing Kang and Kodos from making me their bitch.

movieguru

Superman #75 was going for $50 or more when it first came out. Now it goes for about $5 if you can even sell it. Don't buy this as an investment or as acolectible right away. Once the hype is over the price will plummit.

JasonF

For those of you who are familiar with the Don and Mike show (a popular Washington DC-based radio show), they spoke to Ed Brubaker today. Here's how they wrote it up in their show's daily log:

MovieExchange

I think the flawed argument is trying to compare this to a teenager's "I'll just die if..." claims.

The point is that Cap's ideal of America does not exist anymore. He still thinks that he's fighting for the Beaver Cleaver family.

In a way, it's the same complaint we regularly give about our "elected" officials... they're so far out of touch that despite their claim that they represent America, they are so out of touch with the people that while they may be spokesmen, they do not represent what the common man stands for anymore.

Giantrobo

i don't know if you guys know it but I'm not a Marvel fan But I gotta give Mah respect to Mah Homey Cap'n 'Merica yo.

MovieExchange

Correction - don't buy it as a long-term collectible / investment.

Your Superman #75 comparison is flawed, I believe. This was an event that we knew about months in advance, and dealers over-ordered accordingly. The reason the book has gone down is partly because of the novelty wearing off and all the non-comic collectors selling off their copies, and the fact that this issue came out in the middle of one of the biggest comics booms and had an insanely high print run... meaning a lot of copies are out there.

Cap #25, on the other hand, was not an announced event, and many dealers did not over-order. We're not quite in a depression for comics right now (although it's close), but we're nowhere near the days of the mega-print run like we were with Superman #75. If Cap #25 even had a tenth of that print run, I'd be amazed.

I'd say a better comparison would be with JLA #69, the unannounced crossover issue with the Death of Superman storyline. The store I worked at was ordering several hundred of every Death of Superman issue, but we only ordered 10 copies of JLA. It was a crap title that didn't sell worth a damn... until that issue. We suddenly found ourselves over 100 copies short of what we needed. I might be wrong, but I think that for a while JLA #69 was worth more than the basic version of Superman #75 because the JLA issue was so damned scarce.

That being said, it'll still fall in value eventually... but I'd say that people have a good 6 months to buy and sell copies to turn over a profit. I'm considering sending mine off to be graded after seeing what the 9.8 copies are fetching on eBay.

Sorry if this is disjointed... I really should be in bed right now

madcougar

I'm not comparing anything to a teanager's "I'll just die if... " claims. I'm comparing the fact that I don't understand the importance of text messaging to the importance of Captain America understanding the importance of text messaging, and how that lack of understanding doesn't prevent me from being a father, and how that lack of understanding shouldn't prevent Captain America from being Captain Freakin' America. Obviously my reality of being a teenager is going to be very different than that of a teenager today. That doesn't mean that I can never relate to my teenage daughter. Captain America's reality of being an American is different than someone today. That doesn't mean that he can't relate on some level.

Again, many, many things have changed, but the basic principles of the country have remained.

I didn't like this specific argument because you can make the same argument about any other superhero. How does Thor relate to the mortals he protects? He's a freakin' god. How does Tony Start relate to anyone? He's a genius and wealthy. How does the Punisher relate to anyone? He's a homicidal maniac. And so on and so on... I'm supposed to buy that Iron Man's intentions might be better because he browses the Internet?