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12-08-06 | 09:03 AM
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Regarding the whole LCS thing:
If the LCS wants my money, they need to EARN it. I'm not just going to give it to you when I can get a more pleasant experience online. Not saying that earning it means you have to throw me a party when I come in, but your store shouldn't smell like feet and I should feel welcomed when I come in. If I come in every week for half a year and the employee doesn't say more than a few words, that snot really service and I have no reason to come back. Also organization is a huge issue at comic shops. Please allow me to look through back issues without standing on my head and make the continuation of one box to the next a little more sensible.
Since I don't feel valued as a customer at my LCS and they don't seem to put any effort into organization/presentation, I'll go online. But I still go once a month to pick up issues I've heard about or want to blind buy. But they aren't getting a whole bunch of my money without some effort.
If the LCS wants my money, they need to EARN it. I'm not just going to give it to you when I can get a more pleasant experience online. Not saying that earning it means you have to throw me a party when I come in, but your store shouldn't smell like feet and I should feel welcomed when I come in. If I come in every week for half a year and the employee doesn't say more than a few words, that snot really service and I have no reason to come back. Also organization is a huge issue at comic shops. Please allow me to look through back issues without standing on my head and make the continuation of one box to the next a little more sensible.
Since I don't feel valued as a customer at my LCS and they don't seem to put any effort into organization/presentation, I'll go online. But I still go once a month to pick up issues I've heard about or want to blind buy. But they aren't getting a whole bunch of my money without some effort.
12-08-06 | 10:21 AM
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It might not be the store that causes the feet smell, but a few of the patrons. There is that stereotype thing going on, ya know. 
My "local" comic store isn't - about 10 miles each way - but they impressed me the first time I walked in by greeting me and being friendly. There's a place about 2 miles from me that I have been to, but I seriously think it's just a front for selling drugs.
My "local" comic store isn't - about 10 miles each way - but they impressed me the first time I walked in by greeting me and being friendly. There's a place about 2 miles from me that I have been to, but I seriously think it's just a front for selling drugs.
12-08-06 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
Can't really derail a comic thread by talking about comics 
I really wish you said you were interested in this a couple of months ago. I've upgraded to the HC's for cheap and I would have gladly sent you the first trade. But yeah, I definitely say start from the beginning. If you like it, you'll love it.
It was a book I heard about a lot, but didn't really know the premise, so I bout the first trade kind of blind. I bought the following trades one after another from the various bookstores in my area over the next week and a half because I HAD to know what happened next.
The book houses one of my favorite romance stories ever, and the drama of the book is only compounded by the incredibly effective art by Terry Moore. What Marvel and DC consider "sexy women" will be laughable once you see how Moore draws the fairer sex. I believe that books done by (good) author/artists (Bone, Blankets, Box Office Poison) have an inherent strength that other books don't (unless it's by a very very strong creative team who know each other's style well), because the creator knows exactly what he wants on the page and what he wants his art to convey that his writing didn't/what he wants his writing to convey that the art won't. This is one of those books.
Even though there is a mystery to the book, along with some really intense and dynamic stories, it is mainly about the relationship of the two main characters, Francine and Katchoo. I would warn you, but then you suggested romance titles to me in the September thread, so I think you can handle it. I'm a little leery of saying much, because the read is much cooler the blinder you go into it.
The only bad thing about the story is that it does have a bit of a merry-go-round feel to it. Like more had this one idea and stretched it a little thin. You really feel this in some of the later trades, but since I like the story, it doesn't bother me much.
I read the whole run of comics every year and a half or so, so that should tell you something. Now I'm just waiting until it's all done, so I can start from the beginning and read to the conclusion, with the last 10 books or so being new to me. I plan on doing this all in one sitting, on a nice LOOOONG Sunday afternoon.
I say give the first two trades a shot. The first is only four issues long, and not the best gage of the book, even though it's still good. It serves more as an intro to the characters and how they work.
Also totally unrelated to SiP, but you almost might dig the OGN Mail Order Bride for more slice of life type books.
I really wish you said you were interested in this a couple of months ago. I've upgraded to the HC's for cheap and I would have gladly sent you the first trade. But yeah, I definitely say start from the beginning. If you like it, you'll love it.
It was a book I heard about a lot, but didn't really know the premise, so I bout the first trade kind of blind. I bought the following trades one after another from the various bookstores in my area over the next week and a half because I HAD to know what happened next.
The book houses one of my favorite romance stories ever, and the drama of the book is only compounded by the incredibly effective art by Terry Moore. What Marvel and DC consider "sexy women" will be laughable once you see how Moore draws the fairer sex. I believe that books done by (good) author/artists (Bone, Blankets, Box Office Poison) have an inherent strength that other books don't (unless it's by a very very strong creative team who know each other's style well), because the creator knows exactly what he wants on the page and what he wants his art to convey that his writing didn't/what he wants his writing to convey that the art won't. This is one of those books.
Even though there is a mystery to the book, along with some really intense and dynamic stories, it is mainly about the relationship of the two main characters, Francine and Katchoo. I would warn you, but then you suggested romance titles to me in the September thread, so I think you can handle it. I'm a little leery of saying much, because the read is much cooler the blinder you go into it.
The only bad thing about the story is that it does have a bit of a merry-go-round feel to it. Like more had this one idea and stretched it a little thin. You really feel this in some of the later trades, but since I like the story, it doesn't bother me much.
I read the whole run of comics every year and a half or so, so that should tell you something. Now I'm just waiting until it's all done, so I can start from the beginning and read to the conclusion, with the last 10 books or so being new to me. I plan on doing this all in one sitting, on a nice LOOOONG Sunday afternoon.
I say give the first two trades a shot. The first is only four issues long, and not the best gage of the book, even though it's still good. It serves more as an intro to the characters and how they work.
Also totally unrelated to SiP, but you almost might dig the OGN Mail Order Bride for more slice of life type books.
That's a lot of questions...sorry. But I'm eager to jump in. I love my action stories, but these slice of life and romance style of books are so refreshing, that I find myself enjoying them more than other books most of the time.
12-08-06 | 01:01 PM
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Ok, got my monthly haul yesterday, though I only had time to read two comics so far:
Teen Titans 40: The miss martian cover issue. For some reason, Tony Daniel's art seems much improved (I particularly like the shading in this issue, though that may be the colorist)... and the overall storyline is drawing me in. I'm glad I didn't drop the title during that Doom Patrol post-OYL arc. The whole revelation of who the traitor was would've been more shocking if I had any idea who these new characters were...
Supergirl 11: At this point, I have an honest question: is anyone, anyone at all, enjoying this book? Seriously. Churchill gets a break for this issue, but the fill in is much, much worse... though the whole shark-mutant chained up scene was pretty neat. Not only could I not tell what was happening in this issue (and what's worse is that I have no idea if it was because of the poor storytelling via the art or the script), but I still feel like I missed a dozen issues somewhere. Does it read better if I read all the issues at once, instead of month to month? I'm still confused about the whole kandor thing, and about the Supergirl's psychotic parents thing, and the romance with Boomer (who I think is Arsenal, but why is he called Boomer), and why every issue there's a new premise. They even mention it in this issue, that she's trying to find herself, but it's being done very poorly, and I can only imagine next issue she plays girlfriend to
in yet another premise change.
I don't think I can stick it out anymore... Since her inception in Superman/Batman, i don't think there's been a single readable storyline focused around her.
Teen Titans 40: The miss martian cover issue. For some reason, Tony Daniel's art seems much improved (I particularly like the shading in this issue, though that may be the colorist)... and the overall storyline is drawing me in. I'm glad I didn't drop the title during that Doom Patrol post-OYL arc. The whole revelation of who the traitor was would've been more shocking if I had any idea who these new characters were...
Supergirl 11: At this point, I have an honest question: is anyone, anyone at all, enjoying this book? Seriously. Churchill gets a break for this issue, but the fill in is much, much worse... though the whole shark-mutant chained up scene was pretty neat. Not only could I not tell what was happening in this issue (and what's worse is that I have no idea if it was because of the poor storytelling via the art or the script), but I still feel like I missed a dozen issues somewhere. Does it read better if I read all the issues at once, instead of month to month? I'm still confused about the whole kandor thing, and about the Supergirl's psychotic parents thing, and the romance with Boomer (who I think is Arsenal, but why is he called Boomer), and why every issue there's a new premise. They even mention it in this issue, that she's trying to find herself, but it's being done very poorly, and I can only imagine next issue she plays girlfriend to
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
I don't think I can stick it out anymore... Since her inception in Superman/Batman, i don't think there's been a single readable storyline focused around her.
12-08-06 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fujishig
...and I can only imagine next issue she plays girlfriend to
in yet another premise change.
Spoiler:
Seriously, I feel like I really want to like this book (and with Ian's art, I do - strictly from an artistic point of view), but they really need to fire the person in charge.
12-08-06 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bishop2knight
This sounds perfect. I'll have to dive in. Now, maybe I'm thinking of another book, but didn't last month's PREVIEWS solicit a new set of these books? Something about showing the characters in chronological order or something?Also, as far as trades go, are there more than one presentation style? I've seen those digest sized books, but I see that they are up to tradepaperback vol. 18...are these two different sets?
That's a lot of questions...sorry. But I'm eager to jump in. I love my action stories, but these slice of life and romance style of books are so refreshing, that I find myself enjoying them more than other books most of the time.
That's a lot of questions...sorry. But I'm eager to jump in. I love my action stories, but these slice of life and romance style of books are so refreshing, that I find myself enjoying them more than other books most of the time.
The trades come in a pocket book size, tpb, and HC styles. The pocket books are neat. They're formated to grab some manga fans (sharing that size format) and they cram more story into each book than the individual trades do. The art is strong enough to warrant going for the regular trades though. I'm biased as hell, but if you already read and like the manga format, I doubt the pocket book style would bother you. Plus you get more story up front and it's all laid out in a neat order. With the trades, you have to be a little careful early on as they change volumes.
If you go with regular trades, use this as your source: http://strangersinparadise.com/issues.html , and the pocket books are already labeled for you.
12-08-06 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by fujishig
Ok, got my monthly haul yesterday, though I only had time to read two comics so far:
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Supergirl 11: At this point, I have an honest question: is anyone, anyone at all, enjoying this book? Seriously
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Supergirl 11: At this point, I have an honest question: is anyone, anyone at all, enjoying this book? Seriously
12-08-06 | 02:58 PM
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From: Jersey represent!
I'm lucky to live a few blocks from a really nice comic shop. The owner is a cool guy, the store is clean and doesn't smell (though it is a little cramped), and I really enjoy my weekly visit there. Here are the series I'm currently into:
The Boys
Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters
American Splendor
The Walking Dead
Ex Machina (just picked up volume 4)
Jack of Fables
Civil War
Amazing Spider-Man
Fantastic Four (although I think I'm behind on this one)
Truth, Justin, and the American Way (issue 5, where are you?)
The Damned
I usually prefer the more indie comics, but over the last year I've started to warm up to some of the superhero comics too.
The Boys
Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters
American Splendor
The Walking Dead
Ex Machina (just picked up volume 4)
Jack of Fables
Civil War
Amazing Spider-Man
Fantastic Four (although I think I'm behind on this one)
Truth, Justin, and the American Way (issue 5, where are you?)
The Damned
I usually prefer the more indie comics, but over the last year I've started to warm up to some of the superhero comics too.
12-08-06 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rogue588
WRONG. Next issue has NOTHING to do with that issue...so
Seriously, I feel like I really want to like this book (and with Ian's art, I do - strictly from an artistic point of view), but they really need to fire the person in charge.
Seriously, I feel like I really want to like this book (and with Ian's art, I do - strictly from an artistic point of view), but they really need to fire the person in charge.
12-08-06 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by fujishig
Oh, so they actually don't continue the storyline from the last book? Is there a new creative team (and another reboot) or something?
For some unknown reason, this story takes place before issue 10...AND they introduce a new character with an old name too! I agree with boredsilly about Connor's art (was hoping for a teamup with the Pro
), but it's just a fill-in folks. From the coming soon blurb, it looks like next issue picks up where the "pirate" storyline left off..
12-08-06 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
Surprisingly enough, I don't use previews so I don't know. There is a smidge of time jumping around, but not enough to warrant reorganizing the comics IMHO. If they are doing that, I would still say the way they came out is the way they should be read.
The trades come in a pocket book size, tpb, and HC styles. The pocket books are neat. They're formated to grab some manga fans (sharing that size format) and they cram more story into each book than the individual trades do. The art is strong enough to warrant going for the regular trades though. I'm biased as hell, but if you already read and like the manga format, I doubt the pocket book style would bother you. Plus you get more story up front and it's all laid out in a neat order. With the trades, you have to be a little careful early on as they change volumes.
If you go with regular trades, use this as your source: http://strangersinparadise.com/issues.html , and the pocket books are already labeled for you.
The trades come in a pocket book size, tpb, and HC styles. The pocket books are neat. They're formated to grab some manga fans (sharing that size format) and they cram more story into each book than the individual trades do. The art is strong enough to warrant going for the regular trades though. I'm biased as hell, but if you already read and like the manga format, I doubt the pocket book style would bother you. Plus you get more story up front and it's all laid out in a neat order. With the trades, you have to be a little careful early on as they change volumes.
If you go with regular trades, use this as your source: http://strangersinparadise.com/issues.html , and the pocket books are already labeled for you.
Thanks for the help.
12-08-06 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rogue588
Nope and nope.
For some unknown reason, this story takes place before issue 10...AND they introduce a new character with an old name too! I agree with boredsilly about Connor's art (was hoping for a teamup with the Pro), but it's just a fill-in folks. From the coming soon blurb, it looks like next issue picks up where the "pirate" storyline left off..
For some unknown reason, this story takes place before issue 10...AND they introduce a new character with an old name too! I agree with boredsilly about Connor's art (was hoping for a teamup with the Pro
), but it's just a fill-in folks. From the coming soon blurb, it looks like next issue picks up where the "pirate" storyline left off..This is after:
1) the transition to the Kandor OYL story arc. Okay, it was OYL, maybe it was supposed to be abrupt, but then
2) They jumped right over the conclusion of the kandor story arc, as if it happened between issues.
12-08-06 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bishop2knight
Actually, I like hardcovers even more. Do you have any idea how hard they are to find? I see some on ebay, but for $30+. I'll have to check out the paperback versions next time I'm at Mile High, but this series has my attention.
Thanks for the help.
Thanks for the help.
The HC's suck as far as retail price goes, as they are $50 with very little in the way of extras. But I think that is because the print runs aren't as expansive. The HC's do look sexy on my book shelf though
. Honestly, if I wasn't absolutely taken by the series, I would have just stuck with my tpb's.
12-08-06 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
Well with patience and some luck you can find the HC's for under $20 on ebay. The HC's contain every issue of SiP (there were a couple of one shots and stuff) as well as color covers and color issues here and there, the main trades just collect the main story (so they may omit something like 4-8 issues? I'm not sure), and the pockets I think are probably just like the trades.
The HC's suck as far as retail price goes, as they are $50 with very little in the way of extras. But I think that is because the print runs aren't as expansive. The HC's do look sexy on my book shelf though. Honestly, if I wasn't absolutely taken by the series, I would have just stuck with my tpb's.
The HC's suck as far as retail price goes, as they are $50 with very little in the way of extras. But I think that is because the print runs aren't as expansive. The HC's do look sexy on my book shelf though
. Honestly, if I wasn't absolutely taken by the series, I would have just stuck with my tpb's.You got any other tips for these slice of life types of books? I think I've mentioned most of the stuff I've read lately...
12-09-06 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
Go to you local comic book shop & subscribe through them.
Down with mail order comics
Unless of coarse, you don't have a LCS anywhere remotely near you, which I guess is ok then
Down with mail order comics
Unless of coarse, you don't have a LCS anywhere remotely near you, which I guess is ok then
12-09-06 | 06:17 AM
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Ok I have a small problem here. I have collected all the Ultimate Spiderman hardcovers that have been released. I love the hardcovers but now I don't know what to do with the actual comic books! I mean since I have and read the hardcovers is there any reason to keep the comics? Since I paid cover price (minus discount) I can probably make a decent profit on the complete set. What would you do?
12-09-06 | 08:45 AM
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I think what many that have never worked in a comic shop are not understanding is just how fucking horrible the local comic shop is treated by everyone else in the business. Despite being the backbone of sales, comic shops are treated like the red-headed stepchild not only by the comic publishers, but by Diamond Comics as well.
I'm sure your LCBS would love to be able to give you a 40% discount, but they'd also love to be able to keep their store open. They simply can't afford to order so many books that they can sell them to you at that cheap of a price.
I'm sure your LCBS would love to be able to give you a 40% discount, but they'd also love to be able to keep their store open. They simply can't afford to order so many books that they can sell them to you at that cheap of a price.
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12-09-06 | 09:32 AM
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I think what many that have never worked in a comic shop are not understanding is just how fucking horrible the local comic shop is treated by everyone else in the business. Despite being the backbone of sales, comic shops are treated like the red-headed stepchild not only by the comic publishers, but by Diamond Comics as well.
I'm sure your LCBS would love to be able to give you a 40% discount, but they'd also love to be able to keep their store open. They simply can't afford to order so many books that they can sell them to you at that cheap of a price.
I'm sure your LCBS would love to be able to give you a 40% discount, but they'd also love to be able to keep their store open. They simply can't afford to order so many books that they can sell them to you at that cheap of a price.
I'd imagine that the "treatment" of both retailers is the same. Hell, its probably worse for the online shops who aren't yet recognized as the "backbone" of comics sales. Regardless of how the shops are treated, online is simply a different business model that has reduced overhead and allows for the discounts.
Speaking of comics though, I just got my mailordercomics.com order and am thrilled with the Little Nemo in Slumberland hardcover that I got. I started reading Nemo in college at the library and am thrilled to get a comprehensive collection coming out. I also go the 1st volume of the Popeye hardcover series and love that as well. Both get my highest recommendation.
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12-09-06 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MovieExchange
I think what many that have never worked in a comic shop are not understanding is just how fucking horrible the local comic shop is treated by everyone else in the business. Despite being the backbone of sales, comic shops are treated like the red-headed stepchild not only by the comic publishers, but by Diamond Comics as well.
I'm sure your LCBS would love to be able to give you a 40% discount, but they'd also love to be able to keep their store open. They simply can't afford to order so many books that they can sell them to you at that cheap of a price.
I'm sure your LCBS would love to be able to give you a 40% discount, but they'd also love to be able to keep their store open. They simply can't afford to order so many books that they can sell them to you at that cheap of a price.
12-09-06 | 02:59 PM
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I'm not sure what the point is here. Do you believe that the online comic retailers are treated better than the b&m shops? Because of how comic shops are treated you're sympathetic towards them and will therefore pay more than you would at an online shop?
As for why I'm sympathetic towards local stores, go out and try to open your own business. Once you get the feel of what it's like to be a store owner and have to compete with larger stores that get a lot better breaks than you, you'll understand what I'm talking about.
Anyhow, I firmly believe that if smaller stores are eliminated and there's no competition, you would see the extraordinary discounts disappear, because there would no longer be a need to lure people away from the LCBS.
12-09-06 | 04:18 PM
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MovieExchange, I wanted to quote you in my reply but the quote button has mysteriously disappeared from my display.
Anyway, please keep in mind that I'm just trying to have a friendly discussion here and not trying to argue with you.
Regarding large bookstore chains, I don't like to buy from them largely because I don't find any discounts on their graphic novels and because the condition of their gn's is often crap. My point since this first came up in the thread isn't LCBS vs Barnes & Noble or Borders because, in my mind, there's not argument there. LCBS wins.
Now, LCBS vs. Online shop, hell that's basically the same thing. I guess I'm sympathetic towards mailordercomics.com for the same reason you are towards your LCBS. The guy opened his own business, only he put it on the web rather than the street. He's still an independent businessman trying to make a buck. And I've been in retail and I know what it's like and I understand what you're talking about.
Anyway, please keep in mind that I'm just trying to have a friendly discussion here and not trying to argue with you.
Regarding large bookstore chains, I don't like to buy from them largely because I don't find any discounts on their graphic novels and because the condition of their gn's is often crap. My point since this first came up in the thread isn't LCBS vs Barnes & Noble or Borders because, in my mind, there's not argument there. LCBS wins.
Now, LCBS vs. Online shop, hell that's basically the same thing. I guess I'm sympathetic towards mailordercomics.com for the same reason you are towards your LCBS. The guy opened his own business, only he put it on the web rather than the street. He's still an independent businessman trying to make a buck. And I've been in retail and I know what it's like and I understand what you're talking about.
12-09-06 | 05:01 PM
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People laugh at LCS and I understand why. The LCS I go is so filthy that I have to make sure my young son does not sit on the floor or his clothes get dirt all over them. The owners know why I tell my son to stay off the floor, they must know their store is a shitpit. They even hire a pissboy on occasion to do the shitty work they don't want to do. I wish the pissboy would clean the f**king floors once a year!
The bottom line is I am getting dangerously close to dropping this store and ordering online. There is a reason why only one LCS exists in this area anymore....THEY SUCK
The bottom line is I am getting dangerously close to dropping this store and ordering online. There is a reason why only one LCS exists in this area anymore....THEY SUCK
12-10-06 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bishop2knight
Holy crap. Just got a massive 13-pound box from DCBS.
anyway, as far as LCS' go, my local one sucks. they carry mainly toys, and really very few comics. plus the owner is an ass so i hate going in there. the one that is an hour away is awesome. the owner is super friendly and always tries to help me out whenever i stop in. whenever i still buy the occassional floppy, i go there.
12-11-06 | 12:04 AM
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As far as this whole LCS vs. online debate I say this - do whatever works for you. I've read some good valid points from both sides of this - but bottom line is you really have to go with what you feel works in your own personal situation.
Myself, I go to one of my LCS's, as the owner is a good guy, his employees are cool also, and he's always looking out for his customers in one way or another. That's why I, at least, continue to give him my buisness.
However, if my local LCS was as described like some others, that would not be the case. Also, if I had no LCS, you can bet I'd damn sure be ordering my books online if that was the only way to get them.
Myself, I go to one of my LCS's, as the owner is a good guy, his employees are cool also, and he's always looking out for his customers in one way or another. That's why I, at least, continue to give him my buisness.
However, if my local LCS was as described like some others, that would not be the case. Also, if I had no LCS, you can bet I'd damn sure be ordering my books online if that was the only way to get them.