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boredsilly 07-15-05 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Chew
I agree on the "m'eh". But, it seems pretty rare that the retelling of an origin story ever is all that interesting (excepting Miller's own "Year One", of course).

Maybe some of the "punch" is knocked out of this issue because it is so heavy on the Robin side of things and we just got a "Nightwing: Year One" which read like a "Nightwing & Robin: Year One"? Probably not.

<b>Superboy</b> you aren't alone as I really dig FQ's work too. But I'm a sucker for any artist who brings a certain kind of stlye to a book and isn't just trying to be as realistic as possible (though that has it's place too). His work on Authority was awesome. My only problem with him is not being able to consistently put out a month to month book, so I love that he'll have time to work on All-Star Supes and not miss any issues.

JasonF 07-15-05 11:49 AM

In light of the discussion of Batman & Robin, would this be an appropriate time to post this panel from Justice League of America #44?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...eofAmerica.jpg

bishop2knight 07-15-05 12:53 PM

:lol:

davidh777 07-15-05 01:33 PM

Re: Legion. I wish they would release more LSH archives. The last few are pretty minor, and I think the next batch would be from when the Legion got going again.

In general, I only read trades these days (holding out for Astonishing X-Men 2 and Endsong), but Great Darkness was much better in the old days reading month to month rather than getting the spoiler on the cover.

Anyone remember Mike Grell's Warlord series? Would love to have that in a high-quality compilation.

bishop2knight 07-15-05 02:07 PM

Remember Mike Grell's Warlord series? Good God, man, that was the comic that made me read comics. I'm thinking there will be an announcement soon for a compilation. With the new series coming out in January, they have to rehash the old, good stuff.

Sessa17 07-15-05 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
Good thing you said "probably", since everyone knows that honour belongs to the Busiek story that mercifully ended a couple of issues ago..

Also, i'm enjoying this story.

Totally agree on both parts, as someone who has been getting JLA & various Justice League series since I was a little kid, I have no idea how anyone can see these 2 Johns issues are the "worste" or even one of the "worste" JLA stories ever written. The Busiek story however just may be & I'm really diggin' the current story as well.

I so behind in my comic book reading, but here is what I picked up last Wed. . . .

Blade Of The Immortal #103 - Nice stand alone story, since nobody here semes to get this book, I cannot recommend enough checking out the first trade.

Serenity #1 - All 3 covers b/c I'm a dork like that & I want to support anything Firefly related. I haven't read it yet though.

Action Comics #829 - I know I'm the lone Superman fan here, but I've been diggin' the hell out of all the new creative teams.

All Star Batman And Robin The Boy Wonder #1 - Picked up both covers. Haven't read it yet.

Batman #642 - What a glorious day to see Winnick's name finally not on the cover, even if it is for just one issue, I can enjoy Batman again.

Breach #7 - Damn this book is just all kinds of awesome. Buy this book people, it needs support.

Desolation Jones #2 - I keep trying to wait for trades on mini-series but this is Ellis at his best, I just can't wait.

Fables #39 - As good as anything being publisehd, but I'm literally about 20 issues behind reading this.

Green Arrow #52

Hawkman #42

JLA #116

Seven Soldiers Guardian #3 - Hasn't been a bad issue to any of these series yet.

Wonder Woman #218 - I say it all the time, the most underrated superhero comic on the market.

Y The Last Man Vol 5 Ring Of Truth TP - Along with 100 Bullets, one of the only 2 comics I only read in TPB format.

Body Bags Fathers Day #1 - Just to support it. Body Bags, while pretty much no one has ever read it, is LITERALLY my all-time favorite comic book mini-series & Jason Pearson is my 2nd favorite comic book artist ever. What an awesome comic this is.

Invincible #24

Small Gods Special #1 - What the shit? This was suppose to be the "color" special, I was looking foward to seeing this amazing & little read series in color for a change.

Walking Dead #20

Zombie King #0

New Avengers #7

New Thunderbolts #10 - F' new Avengers, this is the Marvel book to read if you want some old fashioned, pure superhero goodness.

Ultimate Fantastic Four #21

Banana Sundays #1 - Haven't had a chance to read this yet, but it looks great.

Superboy 07-15-05 07:30 PM

This week's haul:

All Star Batman and Robin: This is the best pure Batman book to be published since Rucka and Brubaker left the main Batman books.

Fables: You know, I have every single issue of this series and I haven't read a single one.

JLA: I've expressed my thoughts on this before...but something really needs to be done to fix this book. First of all...why is it that Johns is trying really hard to restore the Silver Age of DC feel, yet the DCU has become and increasingly dark and dreary place? that and I despise major retcons like these. Their promise of "far reaching consequences that will be everlasting" is an empty promise at best. If anyone dies, they're coming back. If teams break up, they won't be major ones, and if team members are shuffled around it won't matter for more than a few issues. And the fact that EVERY DC book has to participate really bites.

The Walking Dead: Considering the debut of Zombie King, it doesn't manage to steal any of this book's thunder. It's ultra-realistic without being gratuitiously shocking.

New Avengers: Steve Mcniven art makes this almost a good issue. Almost. Considering that this team is little more than a rag-tag group of heroes thrown together at the last possible second for no reason whatsoever than to have a fanboy team, this issue works surprisingly well. It's a little too predictable though, especially in the large battle that dominates the book; it would have been nice to see a team that's actually coordinated in it's attacks. The Avengers are written here a bit too much like the Justice League, in that they rely more on muscle than their wits. Considering that all of these characters, though a little rough on the edges, have all participated on a real team before, it's confusing. The ending is a nice break of the Fourth Wall. Overall, this series is already showing signs of improving.

Seven Soldiers: Guardian: The best maxi-series to come out since Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Sessa17 07-15-05 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by Superboy
This week's haul:

All Star Batman and Robin: This is the best pure Batman book to be published since Rucka and Brubaker left the main Batman books.

Could not disagree more. What Lapham is doing on Detective comics is the absolutely epitome of what Batman should be, both in the books essense & the look of Gotham & especially making Gotham as important of a character as Batman is.

Superboy 07-15-05 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by Sessa17
Could not disagree more. What Lapham is doing on Detective comics is the absolutely epitome of what Batman should be, both in the books essense & the look of Gotham & especially making Gotham as important of a character as Batman is.

Lapham's run has really been overrated IMO. He's no better a writer than most and his storylines really remind me of many characterizations that were seen in The Animated Series. It's not bad but it's not good either.

Sessa17 07-16-05 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Superboy
Lapham's run has really been overrated IMO. He's no better a writer than most and his storylines really remind me of many characterizations that were seen in The Animated Series.

We just look at things so differently. Stray Bullets & Murder Me Dead are phenomenal & most writers haven't done anything close to the level those books are so he is MUCH better than most writers. I have no clue what you are referring to in the characterizations being similar to the animated series you can say that about any Batman book, I don't even know what that means. The animates series characterization is based on the comics, almost any Batman back is going to have the similar characterizations. Plus, Lapham has made this a much grittier street level crime book which makes it stand out from things like the Animates series & the supero fluff that is in the other Bat-titles. So many writers on Batman, especially in recent years, neglect the impact of Gotham, which is just as important of a character as Batman. I can certianly see his Detective run as not being your cup of tea, it is different from anything on the Bat books in recent years, but that doesn't mean it is not good, it just means you don't like it. I don't like Sandman, but that doesn't mean Sandman isn't "good".

nny 07-16-05 10:41 PM

Haven't posted much recently, but I definitely felt strongly about what I read this week. I'm not much of a DC reader, but I thought All Star Batman was the worst Batman and/or Robin story I've ever read and the last 2 issues of JLA are probably the worst JL issues I've ever read. I've pretty much liked everything I've read from Johns and I really like Heinberg. I don't understand how this comic can be so bad.

OTOH, New Avengers was great. The art was fantastic. The fight was the most enjoyable fight I've seen recently. I don't quite know how I feel about the ending since I never liked the Sentry, but it was still a nice twist.

Superboy 07-17-05 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by Sessa17
We just look at things so differently. Stray Bullets & Murder Me Dead are phenomenal & most writers haven't done anything close to the level those books are so he is MUCH better than most writers. I have no clue what you are referring to in the characterizations being similar to the animated series you can say that about any Batman book, I don't even know what that means. The animates series characterization is based on the comics, almost any Batman back is going to have the similar characterizations. Plus, Lapham has made this a much grittier street level crime book which makes it stand out from things like the Animates series & the supero fluff that is in the other Bat-titles. So many writers on Batman, especially in recent years, neglect the impact of Gotham, which is just as important of a character as Batman. I can certianly see his Detective run as not being your cup of tea, it is different from anything on the Bat books in recent years, but that doesn't mean it is not good, it just means you don't like it. I don't like Sandman, but that doesn't mean Sandman isn't "good".

I'm a big Stray Bullets fan too but the writing just seems off at times for me. Sort of like Kirkman's Marvel work, it's seems as if his talent is only barely bleeding through. The characterizations in TAS were also much more street-level and very introspective of Batman/Bruce Wayne. The best episodes of that series brought a real pathos to the villiains (Mr. Freeze, Clayface) but there were also great episodes like "I am the Night". What I do like about his writing is that it's not gloomy for gloomy's sake. It's real human reactions. That's something that even Rucka and Brubaker goofed up at times on. Overall though, it's not the second coming of Batman like most forumdwellers made it out to be. Still definitely worth reading though considering the absolute drek that is the other core Batman books. Even Nightwing is really weak these days.

Giantrobo 07-17-05 05:16 AM

Wow, after having read these posts over the last few days, I'm glad I can still enjoy comics for what they are.... ;)

boredsilly 07-17-05 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by nny
New Avengers was great. The art was fantastic. The fight was the most enjoyable fight I've seen recently. I don't quite know how I feel about the ending since I never liked the Sentry, but it was still a nice twist.


Wasn't it though? I still think the premise of the team is lame, but the book itself is proving to be quite fun. The art really is top notch. I also really like the art on House of M.

nny 07-17-05 03:11 PM

I loved Coipel's old work, but I haven't liked his House of M work that much. It looks like he's trying to copy JRJR's stlye a bit.

Superboy 07-17-05 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by nny
I loved Coipel's old work, but I haven't liked his House of M work that much. It looks like he's trying to copy JRJR's stlye a bit.

Coipel's art went from being somewhat mediocre to very good, consistent, clean, and stylized without being totally unreadable, to being a little too artsy for my tastes. Much like Chris Bachalo. His recent work (especially on the Ultimate titles) have been really weak.

dadaluholla 07-18-05 08:12 AM

Finally went to my comic store after 3 weeks absense and only had 5 books in my pull box. Last year I would have had 30 books in that thing after 3 weeks. I have really dropped a lot. Anyway, WALKING DEAD, NEW THUNDERBOLTS, INCREDIBLE HULK,
FANTASTIC FOUR, and PUNISHER. All of which I am enjoying quite a bit which is what really matters.

OFFICIALLY DROPPED: New Avengers and Powers. I gave New Avengers 6 issues to improve but I should have known from Disassembled that there was no hope. That book is complete GARBAGE. The writing, the art, everything. What a joke. Any word on a real avengers book coming out anytime soon? At least I have Thunderbolts.

bishop2knight 07-18-05 11:29 AM

What do you guys think about the rumor that Stephen King is going to write for Marvel?

dadaluholla 07-18-05 11:52 AM

Eh, Stephen King is too busy doing his editorials in Entertainment weekly.

bishop2knight 07-18-05 12:06 PM

True, but by him writing anything, it could be a big boon for the comics industry. His name should pull in some new readers. And if the book is any good, maybe they'll try new books too.

dadaluholla 07-18-05 12:37 PM

Stephen King could take over Daredevil. Somebody has to.

bishop2knight 07-18-05 12:53 PM

I was hoping Brubaker would take on Daredevil. His writing, Sean Philips art. Perfect combo for Daredevil.

dadaluholla 07-18-05 02:04 PM

Brubaker would be great. It is going to be so strange having someone else write Daredevil after Bendis. Matt Murdock will have to get used to talking like a normal...ou know...a normal person. A normal person? Normal person. Like what? You know like how normal people talk. Oh. Normal.....as opposed to how he talks now? Now? Yeah, how he talks now. Normal.

bishop2knight 07-18-05 02:59 PM

Plus, there's a good chance there might be some action. Or tension. Or drama.

dadaluholla 07-18-05 03:08 PM

Maybe they could get ann nocenti. Is she still writing? I've recently been re-reading Daredevil #250-300. Now that was quite a mixed bag. It started off good with the whole typhoid mary story and then it got freaking weird when Inferno happened. Daredevil had to fight demon dentist cops and mailboxes and a think a vacuum. Then he left NYC and became a drifter. He eventually got involved with a animal rights activist, a biologically perfect woman, and the inhumans. They all fought a schizophrenic Ultron. Then they all went to hell and battled Mephisto. Say what you will but that run had a lot more memorable moments then Bendis has had. Not that I dislike Bendis' run it's just that its all blurred together now like Jones exhausting run on Hulk. Well, maybe not that bad.


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