Complete Calvin & Hobbes coming in 2005
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Did Bill Watterson take a week off in January 1988?
I'm asking because page 383 in Book 1 is the Sunday January 17th strip, then page 384 is the Sunday January 24th strip.
I'm asking because page 383 in Book 1 is the Sunday January 17th strip, then page 384 is the Sunday January 24th strip.
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Originally Posted by zekeburger1979
Did Bill Watterson take a week off in January 1988?
I'm asking because page 383 in Book 1 is the Sunday January 17th strip, then page 384 is the Sunday January 24th strip.
I'm asking because page 383 in Book 1 is the Sunday January 17th strip, then page 384 is the Sunday January 24th strip.
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Were the daily strips from that period a continuing story? They're not dividing them up with the Sundays, so some Sunday strips are back-to-back.
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I must say I am in the middle of volume 1 and have had countless laugh out loud moments. I never followed Calvin and Hobbes before but got this set on a recommendation and love it.
Around page 380 or so there seems to be a panel that is unfinished. I believe it was when Calvin and Hobbes go to Susie's birthday party (5 or 6 days devoted to it) and in the first panel Hobbes is a floating head and shoulders with no body. I think it was the one where there Hobbes eats the first piece of cake. I'll check the exact page tonight.
Around page 380 or so there seems to be a panel that is unfinished. I believe it was when Calvin and Hobbes go to Susie's birthday party (5 or 6 days devoted to it) and in the first panel Hobbes is a floating head and shoulders with no body. I think it was the one where there Hobbes eats the first piece of cake. I'll check the exact page tonight.
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A buddy of mine works for the largest book distributer in the world (they supply Costco and Amazon for starters) and he just told me a few interesting things:
1) They are 100% sold out of the Complete Calvin and Hobbes
2) The publisher says there will be NO SECOND PRINTING. This is it!
3) 250,000 were printed
I guess they were quite surprised to learn they were completely sold out. If you were on the fence, maybe this will help you decide?
I sprung for a set at Costco for myself. Absolute greatness.
1) They are 100% sold out of the Complete Calvin and Hobbes
2) The publisher says there will be NO SECOND PRINTING. This is it!
3) 250,000 were printed
I guess they were quite surprised to learn they were completely sold out. If you were on the fence, maybe this will help you decide?
I sprung for a set at Costco for myself. Absolute greatness.
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It's being verified by a book dealer in another thread. And it does fit with Bill's non-commerical style:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442844
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442844
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I'm not calling you a liar, but I just find that hard to believe.
I just looked up the C&H book and it no longer has a listing on Ingram. It appears that what freudian-slip said is true.
Get 'em while you can from wherever you can.
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I hate to see what Ebay is going to look like when the word of this gets out. It seems like that is the last thing that Watterson would want to happen judging from the articles I have read about him.
Now with that said...should I or shouldn't I raid my local Costco?
Now with that said...should I or shouldn't I raid my local Costco?
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Glad that I picked this up at Costco last week then. God I love Calvin and Hobbes. It brings back such fond memories of my childhood. Nothing came close to the excitement of getting a new Calvin and Hobbes book back then...and this set is EVEN better!
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Originally Posted by neiname
Around page 380 or so there seems to be a panel that is unfinished. I believe it was when Calvin and Hobbes go to Susie's birthday party (5 or 6 days devoted to it) and in the first panel Hobbes is a floating head and shoulders with no body. I think it was the one where there Hobbes eats the first piece of cake. I'll check the exact page tonight.

I think his arms are missing. Susies' in the panel so Hobbes is supposed to look like a stuffed animal...that's part of why it looks funny. And there's a plate in front of him that's blocking most of his body. There is a gap though, and I think his arms are supposed to be there.
FYI, I checked and it looks the same in the Something Under the Bed is Drooling collection too. So it's not a problem with the book, but with the original drawing I expect.
This is a fantastic collection. It's quite a shame that they printed so few of these. I feel sorry for the folks who are going to miss out on this.
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I hope there is no one out there still waiting for their order on this book from Overstock. I posted an inquiry in this thread on October 10th. After 6-7 emails that went unanswered and just as many phone calls, they finally cancelled my order without notice. This was fine with me as they have some of the worst customer service I have ever seen. Picked it up at Costco the next day.
Read this, for more horror stories about the Big "O".
Read this, for more horror stories about the Big "O".
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They may be selling out online, but there seems to be no shortage of them at B&M stores, at least for the time being. Every bookstore in the area seems to have at least 10+ copies of it, and they don't seem to be moving very fast. They may become more popular as it gets closer to Christmas though.
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I stopped by my local Sam's Club and they have 11 copies left. Of course they couldn't find a single one of them. I was told to try back again today after the restocking occurs overnight.
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After reading about the upcoming shortage, I stopped by Sam's Club today. They had a couple on the floor, going for about $82. Perfect condition, EXTREMELY heavy (for a book, anyway), and full of Calvin and Hobbes goodness.
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Received my copy from Amazon.com today. Perfect condition, which is surprising, since there was no padding in the box.
Of course, it's a gift from 'Santa' to my family, so I can't open it!
Of course, it's a gift from 'Santa' to my family, so I can't open it!
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For those still on the fence here is the latest Borders 25% off coupon
http://f.chtah.com/i/9/276579820/110205_coupon.html
http://f.chtah.com/i/9/276579820/110205_coupon.html
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i called my border's and they were charging SRP of $150. they already have it for 20% off. note that you can't use the coupon on a sale item, so you have to take 25% of $150, which isn't a great deal. maybe other borders have a lower regular price... i'm still looking for a deal, and can't seem to beat the $91 from bn.com, inc. ups shipping.
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appreciate the effort there deadpool.
this coupon will bring the price at a borders store to about $113.00.
the coupon will take the price off the $150 full price not the $120 current actual price because they tell you that price is a discount not the true sell for price.
this coupon will bring the price at a borders store to about $113.00.
the coupon will take the price off the $150 full price not the $120 current actual price because they tell you that price is a discount not the true sell for price.
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For those that missed this:
AMP Responds to The Book Standard's 'Calvin and Hobbes' Story
By E&P Staff
Published: October 27, 2005 3:39 PM ET
NEW YORK Thomas N. Thornton, CEO of Andrews McMeel Publishing, took issue with a story posted Tuesday on E&P's site. The article -- from The Book Standard, a sister publication to E&P -- discussed the new "Calvin and Hobbes" book collection. What follows is Thornton's letter to the editor.
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I read Mr. Chafkin's story about "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" which ran in The Book Standard as is currently posted on Editor & Publisher. The article is unfair to this publishing project and also inaccurate.
The lead sentence "What could have been..." couldn't be further from the truth. The past tense use is wrong to use here. "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" IS one of the hottest and best-selling books of the holiday season.
Also incorrect is the statement that we have been unable to fill pre-orders of "many booksellers" for the book. I wish Mr. Chafkin had checked more thoroughly with the publisher before writing the article and basing it on the comments of one obviously disgruntled bookseller.
Our goal for this project is similar to the goal we had for "The Complete Far Side." We want to be as sold through as possible by the end of the calendar year. As you are well aware, books are sold on a fully returnable basis. The risk is ours and ours alone. Indeed, the higher the orders from booksellers on books without any sell-through history, the more risk we take. While that may be a sustainable business model on an inexpensive trade paperback, it could be a devastating financial blow on a book that retails for $150. Even taking what is considered a normal return in the industry would be nearly catastrophic on this type of book. If we had priced this book on the typical margin mark-up that we work on, the retail would have been a minimum of $180 and, more likely, around $240. We felt (and we could be wrong about this) that $150 was the ceiling price. To hold that price, we had to take a lower margin and, therefore, increase our risk substantially.
That being said, we still printed 100,000 copies more than we printed on "The Complete Far Side." You may be surprised to know that the nearly complete sell-through of the 150,000 copies of "The Complete Far Side" in 2003 was not anticipated by the industry. It was considered a monumental and unique success in publishing. So to have Ms. Shrieber say that Andrews McMeel Publishing is not very good at doing a book like this couldn't be more incorrect. We created the model for books like this! And her comparative should be to "The Complete Far Side" at a $135 price point, not The New Yorker at $60. We don't consider a $60 price level a good benchmark against $135 and $150 books.
"The Complete Calvin and Hobbes"' first three weeks on sale show units sold of 34,329, per Neilsen Bookscan numbers. We're delighted with that and think it supports the 250,000-copy print run and will provide the single digit returns risk that we are striving for. We have ten more weeks of on-sale time before year-end so will need to average 21,567 copies per week to sell out (250,000 less 34,329 sold = 215,671 divided by 10). Since we have averaged 11,443 for the first three weeks, you can see your lead premise is incorrect. We need to sell a lot of books in the balance of the year!
While I typically would not go into individual account activity, I will with you in this instance since Ms. Shrieber has made public in what her store ordered and what they received. What they received on "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" is more than twice what they ordered from AMP on "The Complete Far Side" in the entire two-year period that it's been available. We felt that more than double was sufficient, but ordering eight times what they've ordered on "The Far Side" in a two-year period was far too aggressive and would have created a significant return risk for us. To put their order number in perspective, Barnes & Noble would have ordered approximately 150,000 copies of the book on a pro rata basis which they, of course, did not do. Our records also show Ms. Shrieber's chain ordered 600 copies, not 1,000.
It's also important to point out that there are other sources for our books. National wholesalers and regional wholesalers were all supplied with the book in the opening stage and retailers who needed more copies or saw surprising positive early sales results availed themselves of that stock.
Not to drown in detail, but I think it is important to have some basic understanding of what it takes to produce a book like "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" and "The Complete Far Side." We had to commit to the paper, both in quantity and in guaranteed payments, in December of 2004. The amount of paper we bought essentially set our press run at that time. The enormity of this type of project requires a paper mill to insist on an early order. Without one order in hand, we made a commitment for the paper to print the 250,000 copies.
A few more details about the paper and the ink and the requirements to do a book like this:
1) Kappa board (Eska board)
total tonnage: 250 metric tones -- equivalent to 13 (20-foot) containers
2) Ink Used
Total in Kilos: 12,000 kilos (to split in cyan, magenta, yellow and black) -- equivalent to 12 metric tons (1 x 20-foot container)
3) T-saifu cloth: 110,000 meters (2,000 rolls)
4) Text paper: 2,400 metric tons (equivalent to 127 20-foot containers)
5) Number of book blocks sewn per hour -- 150 copies per machine per hour (on two machines)
6) Cases made per hour: 700 cases per hour (two casemakers used to quarter-bind)
7) Casing: 700 to 800 copies per hour (3 copies per set so 750,000 total copies cased)
The first disc went to the printer on November 15, 2004, and the first finished set was packed on May 27, 2005.
Andrews McMeel Publishing couldn't be more proud of "The Complete Far Side" and "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes." The books hold the #1 and #2 all-time record for the most expensive New York Times Bestsellers in the history of book publishing. The total sales of "The Complete Far Side" of 326,000 copies and "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" at 250,000 copies says more than I can ever say about the house's expertise in publishing large format, high price point, high production value books. At list price, "The Complete Far Side" and "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" provide $81,510,000 for retailers' cash registers. Let's figure out how to focus more on the positives of this endeavor and less about looking for flaws when there are none.
Best regards.
Sincerely yours,
Thomas N. Thornton
CEO
Andrews McMeel Publishing
AMP Responds to The Book Standard's 'Calvin and Hobbes' Story
By E&P Staff
Published: October 27, 2005 3:39 PM ET
NEW YORK Thomas N. Thornton, CEO of Andrews McMeel Publishing, took issue with a story posted Tuesday on E&P's site. The article -- from The Book Standard, a sister publication to E&P -- discussed the new "Calvin and Hobbes" book collection. What follows is Thornton's letter to the editor.
***
I read Mr. Chafkin's story about "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" which ran in The Book Standard as is currently posted on Editor & Publisher. The article is unfair to this publishing project and also inaccurate.
The lead sentence "What could have been..." couldn't be further from the truth. The past tense use is wrong to use here. "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" IS one of the hottest and best-selling books of the holiday season.
Also incorrect is the statement that we have been unable to fill pre-orders of "many booksellers" for the book. I wish Mr. Chafkin had checked more thoroughly with the publisher before writing the article and basing it on the comments of one obviously disgruntled bookseller.
Our goal for this project is similar to the goal we had for "The Complete Far Side." We want to be as sold through as possible by the end of the calendar year. As you are well aware, books are sold on a fully returnable basis. The risk is ours and ours alone. Indeed, the higher the orders from booksellers on books without any sell-through history, the more risk we take. While that may be a sustainable business model on an inexpensive trade paperback, it could be a devastating financial blow on a book that retails for $150. Even taking what is considered a normal return in the industry would be nearly catastrophic on this type of book. If we had priced this book on the typical margin mark-up that we work on, the retail would have been a minimum of $180 and, more likely, around $240. We felt (and we could be wrong about this) that $150 was the ceiling price. To hold that price, we had to take a lower margin and, therefore, increase our risk substantially.
That being said, we still printed 100,000 copies more than we printed on "The Complete Far Side." You may be surprised to know that the nearly complete sell-through of the 150,000 copies of "The Complete Far Side" in 2003 was not anticipated by the industry. It was considered a monumental and unique success in publishing. So to have Ms. Shrieber say that Andrews McMeel Publishing is not very good at doing a book like this couldn't be more incorrect. We created the model for books like this! And her comparative should be to "The Complete Far Side" at a $135 price point, not The New Yorker at $60. We don't consider a $60 price level a good benchmark against $135 and $150 books.
"The Complete Calvin and Hobbes"' first three weeks on sale show units sold of 34,329, per Neilsen Bookscan numbers. We're delighted with that and think it supports the 250,000-copy print run and will provide the single digit returns risk that we are striving for. We have ten more weeks of on-sale time before year-end so will need to average 21,567 copies per week to sell out (250,000 less 34,329 sold = 215,671 divided by 10). Since we have averaged 11,443 for the first three weeks, you can see your lead premise is incorrect. We need to sell a lot of books in the balance of the year!
While I typically would not go into individual account activity, I will with you in this instance since Ms. Shrieber has made public in what her store ordered and what they received. What they received on "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" is more than twice what they ordered from AMP on "The Complete Far Side" in the entire two-year period that it's been available. We felt that more than double was sufficient, but ordering eight times what they've ordered on "The Far Side" in a two-year period was far too aggressive and would have created a significant return risk for us. To put their order number in perspective, Barnes & Noble would have ordered approximately 150,000 copies of the book on a pro rata basis which they, of course, did not do. Our records also show Ms. Shrieber's chain ordered 600 copies, not 1,000.
It's also important to point out that there are other sources for our books. National wholesalers and regional wholesalers were all supplied with the book in the opening stage and retailers who needed more copies or saw surprising positive early sales results availed themselves of that stock.
Not to drown in detail, but I think it is important to have some basic understanding of what it takes to produce a book like "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" and "The Complete Far Side." We had to commit to the paper, both in quantity and in guaranteed payments, in December of 2004. The amount of paper we bought essentially set our press run at that time. The enormity of this type of project requires a paper mill to insist on an early order. Without one order in hand, we made a commitment for the paper to print the 250,000 copies.
A few more details about the paper and the ink and the requirements to do a book like this:
1) Kappa board (Eska board)
total tonnage: 250 metric tones -- equivalent to 13 (20-foot) containers
2) Ink Used
Total in Kilos: 12,000 kilos (to split in cyan, magenta, yellow and black) -- equivalent to 12 metric tons (1 x 20-foot container)
3) T-saifu cloth: 110,000 meters (2,000 rolls)
4) Text paper: 2,400 metric tons (equivalent to 127 20-foot containers)
5) Number of book blocks sewn per hour -- 150 copies per machine per hour (on two machines)
6) Cases made per hour: 700 cases per hour (two casemakers used to quarter-bind)
7) Casing: 700 to 800 copies per hour (3 copies per set so 750,000 total copies cased)
The first disc went to the printer on November 15, 2004, and the first finished set was packed on May 27, 2005.
Andrews McMeel Publishing couldn't be more proud of "The Complete Far Side" and "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes." The books hold the #1 and #2 all-time record for the most expensive New York Times Bestsellers in the history of book publishing. The total sales of "The Complete Far Side" of 326,000 copies and "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" at 250,000 copies says more than I can ever say about the house's expertise in publishing large format, high price point, high production value books. At list price, "The Complete Far Side" and "The Complete Calvin and Hobbes" provide $81,510,000 for retailers' cash registers. Let's figure out how to focus more on the positives of this endeavor and less about looking for flaws when there are none.
Best regards.
Sincerely yours,
Thomas N. Thornton
CEO
Andrews McMeel Publishing
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Originally Posted by tacomantt
A few more details about the paper and the ink and the requirements to do a book like this:
1) Kappa board (Eska board)
total tonnage: 250 metric tones -- equivalent to 13 (20-foot) containers
2) Ink Used
Total in Kilos: 12,000 kilos (to split in cyan, magenta, yellow and black) -- equivalent to 12 metric tons (1 x 20-foot container)
3) T-saifu cloth: 110,000 meters (2,000 rolls)
4) Text paper: 2,400 metric tons (equivalent to 127 20-foot containers)
5) Number of book blocks sewn per hour -- 150 copies per machine per hour (on two machines)
6) Cases made per hour: 700 cases per hour (two casemakers used to quarter-bind)
7) Casing: 700 to 800 copies per hour (3 copies per set so 750,000 total copies cased)
The first disc went to the printer on November 15, 2004, and the first finished set was packed on May 27, 2005.
So according to the letter, during the first three weeks, they sold 34,329 sets out of the 250,000 printed. Looks like I have more time to wait for a good coupon (or price mistake
) and shop around for better deal. No need to rush.Thanks for posting.



