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Old 08-14-03, 05:21 PM
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Thanks for the article, Geofferson. Clancy cracks me up.
Old 08-14-03, 09:16 PM
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just finished this last night, and I'm not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but...

Spoiler:
did anyone else feel like they had just finished half of a book? about thirty pages from the end I started thinking "there's no way we're going to wrap this up" lol sort of like when there's 5 minutes left in your detective tv show and you start to see the "to be continued" coming...

and secondly, did anyone else find it slightly corny that the new characters are Jack Ryan's son and nephews? sort of scrappy doo-ish...
Old 08-15-03, 07:37 PM
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That article was classic Clancy. If you have The Sum of All Fears on DVD, the bonus commentary with him and the director is pretty good. Clancy is about as subtle as a truck when he has an opinion about something.
Old 08-18-03, 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Billman
just finished this last night, and I'm not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but...

Spoiler:
did anyone else feel like they had just finished half of a book? about thirty pages from the end I started thinking "there's no way we're going to wrap this up" lol sort of like when there's 5 minutes left in your detective tv show and you start to see the "to be continued" coming...

and secondly, did anyone else find it slightly corny that the new characters are Jack Ryan's son and nephews? sort of scrappy doo-ish...
Ok, just finished this Friday.

I have to wonder if Clancy has any good new characters in him. While I more or less liked the story, the three main characters seemed very one-dimensional.
Spoiler:
And yes, I do think this is only half of a book. It seems pretty clear from the ending that he plans on having the next book pick up right after this one. It'll be interesting to see what's on the laptop.

However, I had some problems with this book. First of all, twins who, while not identical, look a lot alike? Doesn't this seem like the kind of anomalie that people would remember? I thought these guys were trying to keep a low profile.

I also thought that they missed the obvious reason as to the big difference between being a soldier and what they were doing...Dom was on a battlefield. The other soldiers were trained to fight on the same field, and so there's a mutual understanding that at anytime they could be attacked when on the battlefield.

In fact, that's part of what people dislike about terrorism is that there's no defined battlefield, so people never know where they are safe.

I was also disappointed with the lack of discussion about what was wrong with having a private org. basically act like a mercenary. The lack of responsibility being chief among them. Private ventures are only responsible for themselves, which is fine as long as they aren't in a position to infringe on the rights of others indiscriminately. Well, I'd say killing people they "know" are bad guys is pretty much an infringement on others' rights, and so the lack of responsibility to any other entity than themselves is just reckless and wrong. Still, I'll reserve final judgement for the part 2 that has to follow this.

And it seems like Jack Jr's big character trait is swearing. And all the different names for the twins was not only confusing, but irritating. Aldo, Enzo, Brian, Dominic, bro, one's in the Marines, the other in the FBI...too much to keep track of. Blah.
Overall, I had some serious reservations, but I thought it was a passable read, and certainly not as disappointing as I found King of Torts to be.
Old 08-19-03, 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Blade
Ok, just finished this Friday.

Overall, I had some serious reservations, but I thought it was a passable read, and certainly not as disappointing as I found King of Torts to be.
Blade, I didn't want to read your spoiler, but in comparison to his last two books, did you think this one was any better.

I thought Red Rabbit was good, but in comparison to his previous work, it was pretty dull. And I thought the first 3/4 of The Bear and the Dragon was excellent, but the last 1/4 really pissed me off. So in comparison to these two, what did you think? Thanks...
Old 08-19-03, 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by bahist17
Blade, I didn't want to read your spoiler, but in comparison to his last two books, did you think this one was any better.

I thought Red Rabbit was good, but in comparison to his previous work, it was pretty dull. And I thought the first 3/4 of The Bear and the Dragon was excellent, but the last 1/4 really pissed me off. So in comparison to these two, what did you think? Thanks...
You know, I don't know why people put down Bear and the Dragon (not saying you are, just other comments I've seen). While I agree that the ending was a bit tacked on, I thought that it was an excellent predictor of the war we just fought in Iraq.

But to answer your question, I thought that Tiger was noticeably better than Red Rabbit (which I liked, but was definitely the weakest of the Ryan books), but not as good as Bear and the Dragon.

If you are a Clancy fan, you'll like, overall, the situation he sets up, though the lead characters are a bit weak (though I liked the bad guy), and there were some logic problems with the arguments made.

It's also only 430 pages, so it's a relatively short read for Clancy.
Old 08-20-03, 09:57 PM
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Am about 3/4 quarters through the book so far and would agree with much of what Blade said. If these three new guys are to be the future franchise for Clancy, then more fleshing out should have been done this book, much like he did with Ding Chavez in Clear and Present Danger, so that they could be off and running in the subsequent books. I like Jack JR starting at the bottom, there will be plenty of room to grow his character in future books.

As for the terrorist act portrayed in this book, I thought it was interesting that it fit with my idea of where I thought our next real threat would likely come from. It doesn't make me sleep any easier, but it was interesting all the same.
Old 08-24-03, 04:04 PM
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I haven't read any of the Tom Clancy books. I'm usually such a horrible reader, I'd read a few pages then put it down and forget about it for three months or as long as a year. But I was looking at some of his stuff in a store the other day and thought they might be interesting. My only association with Tom Clancy is through the video games.


So are they an easy read, or are they as drawn out and tedious as the games? Bad comparison I know but work with me here.
Old 08-24-03, 05:15 PM
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Well Capt, Clancys books are for the most part really long. If you arn't an avid reader that may put you off right from the start. His books also tend to have several storylines that eventually all merge together. So if you don't mind keeping track of a couple dozen characters, he is an interesting read. Lots of detailed technical military speak (Sum of All Fears virtually takes you step by step through how to make a nuke) and there is plenty of political intrigue and spy stuff if thats your thing. You probably have seen several of his books made into movies, and if those were of interest you will probably like the books more.
Old 08-27-03, 02:44 PM
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I have to agree with Billman, when I picked up the book the first time it seemed really light-weight (both figuratively and literally) for a typical Clancy novel. Still, I enjoyed the story and I think we're just getting the tip of the iceberg with the trio of new characters.

One thing that bugged me though:
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was the fact that all three are related to each other. I really didn't think it was necessary to have that. But oh well.


I guess the upside is that the next book should be out pretty soon next year.

-BT
Old 08-28-03, 12:14 PM
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What I want to know is:

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How can a former president's son walk around without being noticed? I mean, if Chelsea Clinton were to walk around Rome, you'd think she'd draw a crowd - or at least some stares - which seems sort of the opposite you'd want in that line of work. Or is it just me??
Old 09-02-03, 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by Rex Fenestrarum
What I want to know is:

Spoiler:
How can a former president's son walk around without being noticed? I mean, if Chelsea Clinton were to walk around Rome, you'd think she'd draw a crowd - or at least some stares - which seems sort of the opposite you'd want in that line of work. Or is it just me??
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Well, Pres. Ryan was a pretty private guy who really didn't like the press, so it's possible he did what he could to keep his kids out of the public eye.
BT,

Me too.
Old 09-02-03, 10:42 AM
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Is there more Clancy political diatribes in this book? I guess my biggest problem with Bear and The Dragon was the in -your face conservative agenda that was being pushed by the various sub-plots in the book.

His early works weren't really that political, but starting with Ryan's progression up the ladder, thats where all of Clancy's politics started to interfere with the storytelling.

Thats why I didn't like Bear and the Dragon...and I didn't read Red Rabbit.
Old 09-02-03, 04:28 PM
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chanster,

Yes, there's definitely a lot of Clancy's political diatribes in this one. He did a better job with his anti-Communism than he does with his arguments about how to handle terrorists too, so you might want to borrow this from a friend rather than buying it yourself if you want to give it a try.
Old 09-25-03, 11:47 PM
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I was pretty disappointed with this novel, and certainly with the ending of the book. But, I guess Clancy really ran out of enemy countries to fictionalize, so this is what we are left to read. Well, someone else is now left to read.

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