New Clancy novel
08-14-03 | 05:21 PM
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Thanks for the article, Geofferson. Clancy cracks me up.
08-15-03 | 07:37 PM
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That article was classic Clancy. If you have The Sum of All Fears on DVD, the bonus commentary with him and the director is pretty good. Clancy is about as subtle as a truck when he has an opinion about something.
08-18-03 | 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Billman
just finished this last night, and I'm not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but...
just finished this last night, and I'm not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but...
Spoiler:
I have to wonder if Clancy has any good new characters in him. While I more or less liked the story, the three main characters seemed very one-dimensional.
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08-19-03 | 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Blade
Ok, just finished this Friday.
Overall, I had some serious reservations, but I thought it was a passable read, and certainly not as disappointing as I found King of Torts to be.
Ok, just finished this Friday.
Overall, I had some serious reservations, but I thought it was a passable read, and certainly not as disappointing as I found King of Torts to be.
I thought Red Rabbit was good, but in comparison to his previous work, it was pretty dull. And I thought the first 3/4 of The Bear and the Dragon was excellent, but the last 1/4 really pissed me off. So in comparison to these two, what did you think? Thanks...
08-19-03 | 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by bahist17
Blade, I didn't want to read your spoiler, but in comparison to his last two books, did you think this one was any better.
I thought Red Rabbit was good, but in comparison to his previous work, it was pretty dull. And I thought the first 3/4 of The Bear and the Dragon was excellent, but the last 1/4 really pissed me off. So in comparison to these two, what did you think? Thanks...
Blade, I didn't want to read your spoiler, but in comparison to his last two books, did you think this one was any better.
I thought Red Rabbit was good, but in comparison to his previous work, it was pretty dull. And I thought the first 3/4 of The Bear and the Dragon was excellent, but the last 1/4 really pissed me off. So in comparison to these two, what did you think? Thanks...
But to answer your question, I thought that Tiger was noticeably better than Red Rabbit (which I liked, but was definitely the weakest of the Ryan books), but not as good as Bear and the Dragon.
If you are a Clancy fan, you'll like, overall, the situation he sets up, though the lead characters are a bit weak (though I liked the bad guy), and there were some logic problems with the arguments made.
It's also only 430 pages, so it's a relatively short read for Clancy.
08-20-03 | 09:57 PM
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Am about 3/4 quarters through the book so far and would agree with much of what Blade said. If these three new guys are to be the future franchise for Clancy, then more fleshing out should have been done this book, much like he did with Ding Chavez in Clear and Present Danger, so that they could be off and running in the subsequent books. I like Jack JR starting at the bottom, there will be plenty of room to grow his character in future books.
As for the terrorist act portrayed in this book, I thought it was interesting that it fit with my idea of where I thought our next real threat would likely come from. It doesn't make me sleep any easier, but it was interesting all the same.
As for the terrorist act portrayed in this book, I thought it was interesting that it fit with my idea of where I thought our next real threat would likely come from. It doesn't make me sleep any easier, but it was interesting all the same.
08-24-03 | 04:04 PM
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I haven't read any of the Tom Clancy books. I'm usually such a horrible reader, I'd read a few pages then put it down and forget about it for three months or as long as a year. But I was looking at some of his stuff in a store the other day and thought they might be interesting. My only association with Tom Clancy is through the video games.
So are they an easy read, or are they as drawn out and tedious as the games? Bad comparison I know but work with me here.
So are they an easy read, or are they as drawn out and tedious as the games? Bad comparison I know but work with me here.
08-24-03 | 05:15 PM
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Well Capt, Clancys books are for the most part really long. If you arn't an avid reader that may put you off right from the start. His books also tend to have several storylines that eventually all merge together. So if you don't mind keeping track of a couple dozen characters, he is an interesting read. Lots of detailed technical military speak (Sum of All Fears virtually takes you step by step through how to make a nuke) and there is plenty of political intrigue and spy stuff if thats your thing. You probably have seen several of his books made into movies, and if those were of interest you will probably like the books more.
08-27-03 | 02:44 PM
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I have to agree with Billman, when I picked up the book the first time it seemed really light-weight (both figuratively and literally) for a typical Clancy novel. Still, I enjoyed the story and I think we're just getting the tip of the iceberg with the trio of new characters.
One thing that bugged me though:
I guess the upside is that the next book should be out pretty soon next year.
-BT
One thing that bugged me though:
Spoiler:
I guess the upside is that the next book should be out pretty soon next year.
-BT
09-02-03 | 10:42 AM
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Is there more Clancy political diatribes in this book? I guess my biggest problem with Bear and The Dragon was the in -your face conservative agenda that was being pushed by the various sub-plots in the book.
His early works weren't really that political, but starting with Ryan's progression up the ladder, thats where all of Clancy's politics started to interfere with the storytelling.
Thats why I didn't like Bear and the Dragon...and I didn't read Red Rabbit.
His early works weren't really that political, but starting with Ryan's progression up the ladder, thats where all of Clancy's politics started to interfere with the storytelling.
Thats why I didn't like Bear and the Dragon...and I didn't read Red Rabbit.
09-02-03 | 04:28 PM
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chanster,
Yes, there's definitely a lot of Clancy's political diatribes in this one. He did a better job with his anti-Communism than he does with his arguments about how to handle terrorists too, so you might want to borrow this from a friend rather than buying it yourself if you want to give it a try.
Yes, there's definitely a lot of Clancy's political diatribes in this one. He did a better job with his anti-Communism than he does with his arguments about how to handle terrorists too, so you might want to borrow this from a friend rather than buying it yourself if you want to give it a try.
09-25-03 | 11:47 PM
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I was pretty disappointed with this novel, and certainly with the ending of the book. But, I guess Clancy really ran out of enemy countries to fictionalize, so this is what we are left to read. Well, someone else is now left to read. 
