Originally Posted by Mysteryfan (Post 11816544)

10% off code is working on this.

Originally Posted by double_oh_7 (Post 11816788)

what code? The only one i know of expired 8/26.

Originally Posted by Sweet Baby James (Post 11816522)

[SNIP]I'm going to ... Target.[SNIP]

Originally Posted by teameck (Post 11817054)

It is just amazing how Paramount bends ST fans over.

But they keep taking it...

Not me-- I don't own a single TV season of ST on disc because even the sale prices are highway robbery.

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11816950)

I care about extras, but not that much to boycott. The commentary is really the only thing that bothers me since I hate iTunes, but whatever. I'm still buying. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Spiderbite (Post 11817081)

I guess highway robbery is all in the individual's perspective. 35 bucks apiece for the BD versions of each season has been worth it to me.

Originally Posted by DirkBelig (Post 11817100)

So you like extras, but even though half the extras have been stripped and the one you really care about is only available through something you hate, you're still going to buy it because....?

Just how raw does a studio have to roger you before you won't still pay up for their half-packages?

One time, a few weeks ago, the TOS BDs get below $40 - and the previous low was $40 one time three years ago - and you think the prices are fine? Yeah, Amazon did TNG for $50 that week, but in general Star Trek prices have been higher than even HBO sets were and HBO doesn't even try to pull that crap anymore.

Originally Posted by DirkBelig (Post 11817100)

So you like extras, but even though half the extras have been stripped and the one you really care about is only available through something you hate, you're still going to buy it because....?

Just how raw does a studio have to roger you before you won't still pay up for their half-packages?

Originally Posted by izatright (Post 11816959)

Already preordered. Got a movie ticket, used a free $5 BB cert, so it only ran me $10.

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11817221)

And I have no idea what Roger means.

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11817221)

Have you never bought a bare bones movie release before? At the end of the day the movie is more important then losing out on a few fluffy features and a commentary.

Originally Posted by SoonerDoc (Post 11817144)

Paramount is not beholden to you or any other customer with regards to their pricing structure.

Originally Posted by Spiderbite (Post 11817081)

I guess highway robbery is all in the individual's perspective. 35 bucks apiece for the BD versions of each season has been worth it to me.

Originally Posted by DirkBelig (Post 11817234)

Not if there was an alternative or the reviews of the extras indicate they're nothing much. I just passed over a $2 BD copy of 127 Hours at Family Video because it was a rental edition with no features.

Most of the time when buying a Blu-ray, I've already seen the movie theatrically so for me the extras, especially on major effects pictures like this, are a prime consideration. I'll routinely watch the extras and shelve the movie. I HATED The Dark Knight Reloaded, but I bought the BD for cheap in order to see all the making-of stuff. I didn't hate Prometheus, but the supplements in the 3D edition were terrific and ran for hours. Same for Life of Pi (though I settled for the 2D version with most of the extras). Good supplements deepen the experience of the movie. Otherwise, we should just stream from Netflix or torrent things if all we want is to watch a movie.

To strip away the commentary track - the most basic of extras which even the barebones Avengers DVD included with one other featurette - and put it on fraking iTunes is a slap to the very audience that would be the most interested in hearing what the makers did. "Hey folks, we know you've got that nice 60" HDTV with surround sound, but you'll need to get out your laptop to watch it with J.J.'s commentary. While you're at it, call me Mister Daddy when I smack your ass. That'd be great."

I don't get the snotty rudeness of the people who don't care about extras. It's like someone raising the alarm about a dog-fighting operation and sniffing, "Who cares? I like cats." What I REALLY don't get are the people who murmur that this is a lousy thing, but then grab their ankles and allow Paramount direct access to their Jeffries Tube. If you bend over for this, you're gonna keep getting bent over because you've signaled you like it when Paramount treats you that way.

Originally Posted by goblin23 (Post 11817310)

Huh? OK, maybe the retailers have a more direct say when it comes to pricing, but sales end with the consumer. They certainly are "beholden" to the customer or they are out of business. Duh!

Originally Posted by stanl2 (Post 11816866)

I think I prefer the Target version because it has more special features on the disc.

Originally Posted by DirkBelig (Post 11817100)

So you like extras, but even though half the extras have been stripped and the one you really care about is only available through something you hate, you're still going to buy it because....?

Just how raw does a studio have to roger you before you won't still pay up for their half-packages?

One time, a few weeks ago, the TOS BDs get below $40 - and the previous low was $40 one time three years ago - and you think the prices are fine? Yeah, Amazon did TNG for $50 that week, but in general Star Trek prices have been higher than even HBO sets were and HBO doesn't even try to pull that crap anymore.

Originally Posted by teameck (Post 11817350)

Very true point. But one decent sale price after all these years (I'm including the DVD pricing such as STNG) is pretty lousy. Good for those who saved up and paid attention and were able to catch the sale that one or two weeks.

Another point made of "don't buy it" was spot-on; that was my point: I don't buy them.

But it's a shame. I'm an interested admirer of the franchise who has seen most of the episodes (between all series) and all the movies, but I could probably be a fan if I could sit-down and enjoy the totality of the franchise by watching these shows when I want to. Some of these series are decades old. I appreciate the time and money to remaster them, but for the price to rarely drop years after the release? I can't imagine there is a ten-year projection to break even. I'd guess after a short time, the costs to remaster have been recouped.

I'm not saying they should give them away, but how many people don't buy them because they're so expensive? How many fans is this franchise not gaining because of cost? They have a new, exciting "take" (love it or not) on Star Trek where it'd be easy for people to jump-on, but Paramount is taking the Big Two comic book approach: milking long-time fans more and more while the fanbase gets less and less.

Originally Posted by DirkBelig (Post 11817234)

I don't get the snotty rudeness of the people who don't care about extras. It's like someone raising the alarm about a dog-fighting operation and sniffing, "Who cares? I like cats." What I REALLY don't get are the people who murmur that this is a lousy thing, but then grab their ankles and allow Paramount direct access to their Jeffries Tube. If you bend over for this, you're gonna keep getting bent over because you've signaled you like it when Paramount treats you that way.

Originally Posted by Spiderbite (Post 11817510)

Originally Posted by Spiderbite (Post 11817510)

Comparing DVD/BD extras to the mistreatment of animals makes it hard for me to take you serious. Those First World problems...

Originally Posted by DirkBelig (Post 11817786)

Missing in the coverage about this is what J.J. Abrams has to say about this; has anyone queried him? Yeah, he's busy prepping Star Wars, but he can make time to yes-or-no answer, "Do you approve of the extras being scattered across multiple retailers requiring fans to by multiple copies?"

Originally Posted by DirkBelig (Post 11817786)

It's even harder to take seriously someone who grasps for any sliver of anything to dismiss someone's arguments. If I'd said, "It's like someone raising the alarm about a poor meat plant inspections leading to food poisoning and sniffing, "Who cares? I'm a vegan," what would you have done? We get it. Paramount can rip off customers and you're cool with it as long as you aren't affected. Posting Louis CK pictures to substitute for your own words is so Reddit.

Originally Posted by GuessWho (Post 11817932)

I fail to see how this is new. Music artists occasionally release albums where diffreentstores have different bonus tracks. I don't recall much "OMG, if the songs are recorded, every song must be on every album" outcry.

Originally Posted by Decker (Post 11817227)

No. You (like me) put a $15 deposit towards the purchase of the disc and now have a digital copy as well. You still have to pay the difference (or find a place with a $15 advertised price to price match) in order to get the Blu Ray.

Originally Posted by DirkBelig (Post 11817786)

It's even harder to take seriously someone who grasps for any sliver of anything to dismiss someone's arguments. If I'd said, "It's like someone raising the alarm about a poor meat plant inspections leading to food poisoning and sniffing, "Who cares? I'm a vegan," what would you have done? We get it. Paramount can rip off customers and you're cool with it as long as you aren't affected. Posting Louis CK pictures to substitute for your own words is so Reddit.

Originally Posted by Spiderbite (Post 11816943)

^I don't give a shit about extras so I am keeping my pre order intact.

Originally Posted by SoonerDoc (Post 11817380)

If they want to charge $3000 for a Star Trek season, that is their choice. They won't sell any but if they are happy with not selling and the owners, board stockholders are happy then that is that.

Originally Posted by Spiderbite (Post 11818158)

Poor you. The hard life you must lead to get so upset over some extras missing from a Blu-ray. I hope you make it thru this time of trial and tribulation in your life. My thoughts and prayers are with you in your time of need.

Originally Posted by goblin23 (Post 11820026)

Maybe you should start with Matthew 7.

Originally Posted by goblin23 (Post 11820026)

Yeah, this makes complete sense because the shareholders are always ok with not making money. You are wrong but cannot admit it.

Done with you, just gonna scroll past your posts from now on. Same thing for the jerks here complaining about the complainers.

Seriously, this is a forum devoted to DVD and Blu-Ray collecting. THIS IS EXACTLY THE PLACE TO B*TCH AND WHINE ABOUT STUFF LIKE THIS.

Originally Posted by goblin23 (Post 11820026)

Yeah, this makes complete sense because the shareholders are always ok with not making money. You are wrong but cannot admit it.

Done with you, just gonna scroll past your posts from now on. Same thing for the jerks here complaining about the complainers.

Seriously, this is a forum devoted to DVD and Blu-Ray collecting. THIS IS EXACTLY THE PLACE TO B*TCH AND WHINE ABOUT STUFF LIKE THIS.



Maybe you should start with Matthew 7.

Originally Posted by Manzana (Post 11821502)

There are lots of explosions and fighting, but in the end Han Solo becomes a drunken bum while Anakin become the ruler of the galaxy as a benevolent dictator with his new friend Jojo.