Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
06-27-16, 08:41 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
I think more of Margery's intent will be revealed with whatever her grandmother is planning. She'll tell someone what the flower on the paper meant, and Margery's death will take on a little more of a tragic meaning.
I have to disagree with what one of the guys said during the "after the episode" thing. He said if Cersei had been there for Tommen he might not have jumped out that window, and that she failed him in that regard. I don't think Cersei meant to be there with him. I think she wanted him to see it, and know what he helped bring about. The Mountain could have brought Tommen to Cersei with no effort at all, so it had to be her intent to get Tommen out of the way to get herself on the throne. After all, it was Tommen who called for her to be tried, so I'm sure her thinking was "I'll just have to take the little bastard out, too."
I have to disagree with what one of the guys said during the "after the episode" thing. He said if Cersei had been there for Tommen he might not have jumped out that window, and that she failed him in that regard. I don't think Cersei meant to be there with him. I think she wanted him to see it, and know what he helped bring about. The Mountain could have brought Tommen to Cersei with no effort at all, so it had to be her intent to get Tommen out of the way to get herself on the throne. After all, it was Tommen who called for her to be tried, so I'm sure her thinking was "I'll just have to take the little bastard out, too."
Cersei may be queen now. But she has destroyed all her alliances (except the Freys who seem pretty useless) and her own house to get it. As someone mentioned earlier shes not much of a forward thinker. Shes a hammer, if you want to put a nail through a wall, the hammer can get it done. Ask the hammer to build you a ship and the hammer will tell you "I can put a nail through a wall".
06-27-16, 08:44 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
After Dany conquers King's Landing and the south she'll move north to take out Jon Snow.
Snow will force her into a truce/alliance against the coming battle with White Walkers and army of the dead.
During the lull before the battle they start fooling around.
In the end Jon and Dany rule as king and queen. Everybody lives happily ever after.
Snow will force her into a truce/alliance against the coming battle with White Walkers and army of the dead.
During the lull before the battle they start fooling around.
In the end Jon and Dany rule as king and queen. Everybody lives happily ever after.
06-27-16, 08:44 AM
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06-27-16, 09:03 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Of interesting note are three other characters who are on Arya's list:
Melisandre
Beric Dondarrion
Thoros of Myr
All related to what happened with Gendry when the Brotherhood Without Banners basically sold him to Melisandre.
Arya is already in the Riverlands where the Brotherhood operates and guess who is now conveniently heading south having been banished from Winterfell? Also of note is that The Hound is now with Thoros and Beric as well. Arya thinks he is dead, but she also removed him from the list and would seem to have at least a little qualified affection for. I think it is very safe to say that Arya's next story arc will involve Thoros, Beric, Sandor and Melisandre.
06-27-16, 09:27 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
06-27-16, 09:35 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Dany is coming to Wesrteros to conquer and rule it. That, presumably, includes the North. Would she allow Jon to be the King in the North, while she was Queen in the South? It's sort the Robb/Stannis situation all over again. Will Jon pledge fealty to Queen Daenarys? Will the Northmen accept that? Will Jon and Dany need to be united in marriage to prevent another civil war?
06-27-16, 09:43 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
This, more or less, is what I expect to happen. I don't think Jon and Dany's forces will ever fight though. She'll threaten to crush them if they don't "bend the knee" and recognize her as ruler of Westeros. Jon is not interested in a fight with her, tells her about the White Walkers and that is who they need to face together.
06-27-16, 09:45 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Wouldn't Jon Snow be the true Targaryen heir? He is the only son of Dany's older brother. Her nephew, but he has a stronger claim to the throne if you are going strictly by lineage.
06-27-16, 09:52 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Yes. If Rhaegar and Lyanna were married then Jon has a better claim than Dany. Dany certainly would seem to want it more.
06-27-16, 09:59 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
It would also mean that Jon can marry Sansa with no real incest involved. Well, except for the fact that they did grow up together thinking they're bro&sis.
06-27-16, 09:59 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
In fact, oddly enough his claim to the North is weaker, perhaps the reason for establishing him as King of the North by acclaim.
06-27-16, 09:59 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Who would know all this though besides the Three Eyed Raven? Hard to imagine the Seven Kingdoms just agreeing with the succession based on an old rumor that goes directly against the history they all learned. Maybe this ties in to Sam in the Library?
06-27-16, 10:02 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Does succession based on birth rights even matter at this point? If you have a big enough army and enough allegiance from your lords, then you have a good claim.
06-27-16, 10:03 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Wow. Probably my second favorite episode of the series so far. The Cersei power play was epic.
06-27-16, 10:04 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Interesting parallel: The Red Wedding was a conspiracy among House Lannister, House Bolton, and House Frey. At the Red Wedding, they shot Robb with crossbows, they stabbed Talisa in the belly, and they slit Caitlin's throat.
The head of House Lannister got killed by a crossbow.
The head of House Bolton got stabbed in the belly.
The head of House Frey got his throat slit.
The head of House Lannister got killed by a crossbow.
The head of House Bolton got stabbed in the belly.
The head of House Frey got his throat slit.
06-27-16, 10:06 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Howland Reed probably knows, Ned's closest friend who was at the Tower of Joy and stabbed Ser Arthur Dayne in the back. He's still alive in the show.
06-27-16, 10:09 AM
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