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Old 07-17-17, 09:36 AM   #26
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Re: Can comedy on the big screen survive the super hero era?

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Yep, once Hollywood decides to get over Sandler, Kevin James and Will Ferrell, then we might get the genre back on track.
I really blame Adam Sandler for a lot of the stupid humor we see today in Comedies (I still feel he is the most overrated SNL cast member ever). Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore, and Big Daddy really ushered in an era that started to lose me because they were more worried about shocking the audience. Shock humor NEVER holds up years later, simply because you aren't shocked once you have seen it. Jason Biggs fucking a pie just isn't as funny as it was in 1999, and that's the problem with shock humor.

I think even the Farrelly Brothers bear some of the blame for the downward spiral of Comedies. I love Dumb & Dumber and There's Something About Mary and even enjoyed Kingpin. But they crossing the line of gross out humor, and still did it in a funny way. Everyone started to copycat it and it went to stupid, gross out humor like many comedies today.
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Old 07-17-17, 10:04 AM   #27
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The House, Rough Night, and Baywatch all screamed "wait for HBO/Netflix" to me. The House looks like something I've seen before... like pieces of Neighbors, Sisters, and Old School thrown in a blender.
Rough Night... yet another entry in the 'things get wildly out of control' comedy subgenre and about the 20th film like this since The Hangover. Baywatch seemed like an attempt to '21 Jump Street' a different franchise.

I can't honestly think of the last big mainstream comedy that really felt surprising or fresh. I've been entertained and laughed at many of them, sure, but not in a way that felt like I'm seeing something new. I think much of this has to do with a de-emphasis on telling a real story. People want to criticize comic movies, but comedies have become the most formulaic genre out there these days. Create an amusing logline concept and attach stars, build up a bunch of big 'punchline' scenes that will play well in trailers, then weave in some basic semblance of a plot to connect it all together.
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Old 07-17-17, 10:26 AM   #28
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I think much of this has to do with a de-emphasis on telling a real story. People want to criticize comic movies, but comedies have become the most formulaic genre out there these days. Create an amusing logline concept and attach stars, build up a bunch of big 'punchline' scenes that will play well in trailers, then weave in some basic semblance of a plot to connect it all together.
I agree as you look at Comedies from the 80's like Fletch, Midnight Run, even a light hearted movie like Splash. All of these told an interesting story AND yet they also could play as a comedy too. They also had memorable realistic characters that weren't over the top (Even Darryl Hannah played a damn mermaid that was believable!). Compare Vacation 1983 with the updated Vacation movie with Christina Applegate that came out a few years ago, and there is just a vast difference in the tone of each movie.
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Old 07-17-17, 11:42 AM   #29
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Old 07-17-17, 12:09 PM   #30
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Re: Can comedy on the big screen survive the super hero era?

Thinking about this some more I was trying to think what was the last true comedy I saw in the theater...I think it was 22 Jump Street 3 years ago. They are not just something that screams see me in the theater and I do typically wait for home video.
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I think animated movies have also taken away many viewers of mainstream comedies, maybe more than superheroes.
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Old 07-17-17, 01:00 PM   #32
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There will always be room for ALL films...PARTICULARLY GOOD FILMS because they will shine.
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Old 07-17-17, 01:42 PM   #33
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Re: Can comedy on the big screen survive the super hero era?

As if there's a chance comedy will go away
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Old 07-17-17, 01:48 PM   #34
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^Exactly. What's all this shit and hand wringing about the death of comedies? I heard another guy on radio talking about the death of Dramas thanks to Comic Films about 6mo ago. Get out of here...
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Old 07-17-17, 04:07 PM   #35
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Precisely. Also, comedies are really hard to get right. They require a very precise alchemy. I'm not trying to diminish other genres, but melancholy biopic or tear jerking family drama, I'm not saying they're easy to make, but they're a lot easier than comedy. That's why there's 10 best picture nominees but there may only be one great comedy every 3-5 years.
You mean taking one of the same three or four dopey millennials over and over again, sticking them in a cheesy 70's remake, and making it really vulgar isn't a sure fire recipe for success?

Well, now I just don't know what to think.

Look, make a good comedy and people will go see it. People keep going to super hero movies because they deliver the goods (well, the MCU stuff does anyhow). It doesn't have to be G rated and doesn't have to be a hard R either. But it can be. It just has to be well written and funny.
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Old 07-17-17, 04:20 PM   #36
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I think the biggest problem with comedy is the writing isn't nearly as funny as it was years ago (movies, tv, late night).

Where are the Harold Ramis, John Hughes, or even a Mel Brooks out there today for movies? Late Night is no better as the humor is just partisan jabs these days instead of original political skits. Go watch the SNL Presidential debates in 1988 &1992 compared to the past few election cycles. There are very few sitcoms that I watch either as the humor just feels forced in overrated comedies like Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.

Comedy didn't die because of the Superhero Movie, comedy died in Hollywood because there are very few funny comedians and writers compared to 20-30 years ago.

That has been my impression for years. I can't remember the last comedy movie that made me laugh until I cried. Probably Rat Race. Yet in the 80's, movies like Vacation were hysterical and original. They didn't have to rely on an over the top personality like Kevin Hart to get a laugh.

It's really pathetic when you compare a classic like Blazing Saddles to the modern attempts at a comedy western.
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Old 07-17-17, 08:33 PM   #37
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i dunno, some have made money and surprised. Bad Moms comes to mind, Trainwreck, Bridesmaids,...
Maybe you can add Ted but that is a small list.

Hollywood does not make a lot of comedies period! Maybe if they made more the genre would be more popular.

They make maybe 5 or 6 a year and save them for the summer.

How many of the new DVD releases every Tues are comedies?

Maybe a direct to video title occasionally.
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