Ghostbusters (2016, D: Feig)
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Re: Ghostbusters (2016, D: Feig)
Damn. I had ZERO interest in seeing it in 3D (even so much so that I forgot it was even coming out in 3D at all...)
Now, I'm not so sure.
Wow, dude. You realize we're just talking about movies, right? How sheltered does someone have to be that not getting the movie they wanted is enough to make them angry, even a little bit? I mean, my daughter get's angry and cries all the time when I don't give her cookies and ice cream and stuff like that. But she's 3.
I'm trying to remember, was Supermallet angry about Prometheus?
Now, I'm not so sure.
Wow, dude. You realize we're just talking about movies, right? How sheltered does someone have to be that not getting the movie they wanted is enough to make them angry, even a little bit? I mean, my daughter get's angry and cries all the time when I don't give her cookies and ice cream and stuff like that. But she's 3.
I'm trying to remember, was Supermallet angry about Prometheus?
As someone stated several pages earlier, this may be the most divisive English language movie released since The Last Temptation of Christ. The heat and judgement that this film has received in advance of its release is so great that I honestly can't put any faith in any of the reviews that are coming out. When taking a side pro or con means so much, and caries so much baggage, I have a hard time believing people are being objective.
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Bill Murray was never going to do a third one so all of this is his fault. The remakes of Robocop,Total Recall and the Evil Dead didn't make me like the originals any less so I don't understand why this movie got the shit storm over those others which are pretty shitty.
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Bill Murray was never going to do a third one so all of this is his fault. The remakes of Robocop,Total Recall and the Evil Dead didn't make me like the originals any less so I don't understand why this movie got the shit storm over those others which are pretty shitty.
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Or maybe it's because they clung slavishly to the original and just twisted the genders changing very little else. That's pretty pathetic film making. I usually feel like if something is worth revisiting it's only worth doing if it's going to be a very different take on the material.
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I've touched on this before a few times but now it's more undeniable than ever. You have people voting 1/10 on IMDB by the thousands. Sites shutting down their user reviews and comment sections because of the insane posts. People being harassed on YouTube. People threatening to rape children on Twitter for being photographed with the LEGO set. People making fun of the death of Patton Oswalt's wife and the mother of his daughter. This is a shitty, ugly fanbase. These "fans" are the ones ruining everything. The media has every right to make the fans the villains of this story.
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You just hit the nail on the head without even realizing it. He didn't trash the whole fanbase. He trashed the assholes, and there was a big angry reaction to that. Because a substantial portion of the fanbase is made up of immature assholes.
I've touched on this before a few times but now it's more undeniable than ever. You have people voting 1/10 on IMDB by the thousands. Sites shutting down their user reviews and comment sections because of the insane posts. People being harassed on YouTube. People threatening to rape children on Twitter for being photographed with the LEGO set. People making fun of the death of Patton Oswalt's wife and the mother of his daughter. This is a shitty, ugly fanbase. These "fans" are the ones ruining everything. The media has every right to make the fans the villains of this story.
I've touched on this before a few times but now it's more undeniable than ever. You have people voting 1/10 on IMDB by the thousands. Sites shutting down their user reviews and comment sections because of the insane posts. People being harassed on YouTube. People threatening to rape children on Twitter for being photographed with the LEGO set. People making fun of the death of Patton Oswalt's wife and the mother of his daughter. This is a shitty, ugly fanbase. These "fans" are the ones ruining everything. The media has every right to make the fans the villains of this story.
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That's going to soon become a demonstrably-false notion.
Hell, it's stupid as hell now. When in the history of entertainment has a remake, reboot, re-adaption etc. ever been expected to appeal to all the fans of the previous iteration?
Hell, it's stupid as hell now. When in the history of entertainment has a remake, reboot, re-adaption etc. ever been expected to appeal to all the fans of the previous iteration?
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As someone stated several pages earlier, this may be the most divisive English language movie released since The Last Temptation of Christ. The heat and judgement that this film has received in advance of its release is so great that I honestly can't put any faith in any of the reviews that are coming out. When taking a side pro or con means so much, and caries so much baggage, I have a hard time believing people are being objective.
Or maybe it's because they clung slavishly to the original and just twisted the genders changing very little else. That's pretty pathetic film making. I usually feel like if something is worth revisiting it's only worth doing if it's going to be a very different take on the material.
Hell, it's stupid as hell now. When in the history of entertainment has a remake, reboot, re-adaption etc. ever been expected to appeal to all the fans of the previous iteration?
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Here's a not too positive review:
"Mr. Hemsworth looks great and shows himself to be a willing comedian, as well as an excellent foil for Mrs. McCarthy. But this is her movie, first and foremost, and it's another of the messy, near-miss films in which she seems to specialize. Put Mrs. McCarthy in any setting where order, tidiness and rationality are taken seriously, and she becomes the consummate anarchic slob; that's enough to keep ''Ghostbusters'' going, like ''Bridesmaids'' and ''The Heat'' before it. But Mrs. McCarthy would be even more welcome if her talents were used in the service of something genuinely witty and coherent, rather than as an end in themselves."
Just kidding, I just remade the 1984 New York Times review of Ghostbusters, but with the genders flipped.
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Damn straight I was, but I was angry because of the actual content of the movie, not because of the gender of the main character.
Oh please, do go on. Show us what exactly about the positive reviews makes it clear that there is an agenda, and what exactly about the negative reviews makes them so "legit".
Oh please, do go on. Show us what exactly about the positive reviews makes it clear that there is an agenda, and what exactly about the negative reviews makes them so "legit".
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Are you sure that's not because the negative agenda fits your own confirmation bias?
Here's a not too positive review:
"Mr. Hemsworth looks great and shows himself to be a willing comedian, as well as an excellent foil for Mrs. McCarthy. But this is her movie, first and foremost, and it's another of the messy, near-miss films in which she seems to specialize. Put Mrs. McCarthy in any setting where order, tidiness and rationality are taken seriously, and she becomes the consummate anarchic slob; that's enough to keep ''Ghostbusters'' going, like ''Bridesmaids'' and ''The Heat'' before it. But Mrs. McCarthy would be even more welcome if her talents were used in the service of something genuinely witty and coherent, rather than as an end in themselves."
Just kidding, I just remade the 1984 New York Times review of Ghostbusters, but with the genders flipped.
Here's a not too positive review:
"Mr. Hemsworth looks great and shows himself to be a willing comedian, as well as an excellent foil for Mrs. McCarthy. But this is her movie, first and foremost, and it's another of the messy, near-miss films in which she seems to specialize. Put Mrs. McCarthy in any setting where order, tidiness and rationality are taken seriously, and she becomes the consummate anarchic slob; that's enough to keep ''Ghostbusters'' going, like ''Bridesmaids'' and ''The Heat'' before it. But Mrs. McCarthy would be even more welcome if her talents were used in the service of something genuinely witty and coherent, rather than as an end in themselves."
Just kidding, I just remade the 1984 New York Times review of Ghostbusters, but with the genders flipped.
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The poster took a look at what each author of a positive review had written about the film prior to writing their review. For every one he found examples of the reviewer attacking the movie's detractors as "women hating", "sexist", "mansplaining", "misogynists", "haters", "trolls" and/or "Ghostbros".
EDIT: Just to clarify, the poster looked at every positive review listed in top of the review thread at that time. Obviously not every positive review out there.
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Take a look at the top comment in the review thread on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comm...ew_megathread/
The poster took a look at what each author of a positive review had written about the film prior to writing their review. For every one he found examples of the reviewer attacking the movie's detractors as "women hating", "sexist", "mansplaining", "misogynists", "haters", "trolls" and/or "Ghostbros".
EDIT: Just to clarify, the poster looked at every positive review listed in top of the review thread at that time. Obviously not every positive review out there.
The poster took a look at what each author of a positive review had written about the film prior to writing their review. For every one he found examples of the reviewer attacking the movie's detractors as "women hating", "sexist", "mansplaining", "misogynists", "haters", "trolls" and/or "Ghostbros".
EDIT: Just to clarify, the poster looked at every positive review listed in top of the review thread at that time. Obviously not every positive review out there.
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Whoa you mean people who liked the movie generally liked the characters and those that didn't did not like the characters?
Mind. Blown.
Many positive reviews also single out McKinnon as the star of the 'busters. Roeper fucking hated her. I smell an opinion conspiracy.
Mind. Blown.
Many positive reviews also single out McKinnon as the star of the 'busters. Roeper fucking hated her. I smell an opinion conspiracy.
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I do find it interesting that the positive reviews generally spend more time on the controversy and the, "Misogynists," attacking it, and the negative reviews spend less time on that topic.
And many of the positive reviews actually insult the detractors while the negative reviews do that much less.
And some of the writers of positive reviews also wrote Pro-G16 columns, defending it from attacks even before they had seen the movie - kind of putting them in a position where if the movie sucked they kind of looked bad, so they really didn't want it to suck.
I'm not saying that they lied in their reviews, propping up things that they didn't really like, but I am saying that they were predisposed to like the movie and found things to like whereas people who didn't have anything invested in the movie were more likely to find fault with it. Nothing sinister, nothing premeditated - just human psychology.
And many of the positive reviews actually insult the detractors while the negative reviews do that much less.
And some of the writers of positive reviews also wrote Pro-G16 columns, defending it from attacks even before they had seen the movie - kind of putting them in a position where if the movie sucked they kind of looked bad, so they really didn't want it to suck.
I'm not saying that they lied in their reviews, propping up things that they didn't really like, but I am saying that they were predisposed to like the movie and found things to like whereas people who didn't have anything invested in the movie were more likely to find fault with it. Nothing sinister, nothing premeditated - just human psychology.
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I'm not saying that they lied in their reviews, propping up things that they didn't really like, but I am saying that they were predisposed to like the movie and found things to like whereas people who didn't have anything invested in the movie were more likely to find fault with it. Nothing sinister, nothing premeditated - just human psychology.
I'm not saying that is the case. But it certainly could be, and that's why speculating beyond what the reviews actually say is fruitless.
Is it really so hard to believe that it's an okay movie that some people like and some people don't and leave it at that?
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Could go either way, but people are going to see what they want to in the reviews.
This whole thing is pretty stupid, but eh whatever. People arguing over a movie they haven't seen, and those with no intention of seeing it defending their choice with any possible strand of logic they can find. And vise versa, though things are actively more on their side.
If anything makes me happy is that people are now figuring out rottentomatoes has a meta/average score. It's usually ignored, but now it's important because, you know, it's just barely a 3.3 out of 5.
This whole thing is pretty stupid, but eh whatever. People arguing over a movie they haven't seen, and those with no intention of seeing it defending their choice with any possible strand of logic they can find. And vise versa, though things are actively more on their side.
If anything makes me happy is that people are now figuring out rottentomatoes has a meta/average score. It's usually ignored, but now it's important because, you know, it's just barely a 3.3 out of 5.
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Or it's possible that the positive reviews realize how much negative reaction this film already has gotten and the reviewers feel the need to let people know that most of that negative reaction has nothing to do with the content of the film.
Meanwhile, it wouldn't be in the interest of negative reviewers to mention the misogynistic, women hating, mansplaining fans of the original film, because it makes the reviewer look like one even if they aren't (and for the umpteenth time, I do think it is possible to dislike this film and not be sexist, but clearly a large part of the negative reaction to this film in its pre-release stage has been sexist in nature).
So one could say that there's an agenda on the part of the negative reviewers to downplay the worst aspects of the fandom, while the positive reviewers are being more legit for acknowledging it.
It all depends on your perspective.
Meanwhile, it wouldn't be in the interest of negative reviewers to mention the misogynistic, women hating, mansplaining fans of the original film, because it makes the reviewer look like one even if they aren't (and for the umpteenth time, I do think it is possible to dislike this film and not be sexist, but clearly a large part of the negative reaction to this film in its pre-release stage has been sexist in nature).
So one could say that there's an agenda on the part of the negative reviewers to downplay the worst aspects of the fandom, while the positive reviewers are being more legit for acknowledging it.
It all depends on your perspective.
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Are you sure that's not because the negative agenda fits your own confirmation bias?
Here's a not too positive review:
"Mr. Hemsworth looks great and shows himself to be a willing comedian, as well as an excellent foil for Mrs. McCarthy. But this is her movie, first and foremost, and it's another of the messy, near-miss films in which she seems to specialize. Put Mrs. McCarthy in any setting where order, tidiness and rationality are taken seriously, and she becomes the consummate anarchic slob; that's enough to keep ''Ghostbusters'' going, like ''Bridesmaids'' and ''The Heat'' before it. But Mrs. McCarthy would be even more welcome if her talents were used in the service of something genuinely witty and coherent, rather than as an end in themselves."
Just kidding, I just remade the 1984 New York Times review of Ghostbusters, but with the genders flipped.
Here's a not too positive review:
"Mr. Hemsworth looks great and shows himself to be a willing comedian, as well as an excellent foil for Mrs. McCarthy. But this is her movie, first and foremost, and it's another of the messy, near-miss films in which she seems to specialize. Put Mrs. McCarthy in any setting where order, tidiness and rationality are taken seriously, and she becomes the consummate anarchic slob; that's enough to keep ''Ghostbusters'' going, like ''Bridesmaids'' and ''The Heat'' before it. But Mrs. McCarthy would be even more welcome if her talents were used in the service of something genuinely witty and coherent, rather than as an end in themselves."
Just kidding, I just remade the 1984 New York Times review of Ghostbusters, but with the genders flipped.
| Roger Ebert
June 8, 1984 |
"Ghostbusters" is a head-on collision between two comic approaches that have rarely worked together very successfully. This time, they do. It's (1) a special-effects blockbuster, and (2) a sly dialogue movie, in which everybody talks to each other like smart graduate students who are in on the joke. In the movie's climactic scenes, an apocalyptic psychic mindquake is rocking Manhattan, and the experts talk like Bob and Ray.
This movie is an exception to the general rule that big special effects can wreck a comedy. Special effects require painstaking detail work. Comedy requires spontaneity and improvisation; or at least that's what it should feel like, no matter how much work has gone into it. In movies like Steven Spielberg's "1941," the awesome scale of the special effects dominated everything else; we couldn't laugh because we were holding our breath. Not this time.
"Ghostbusters" has a lot of neat effects, some of them mind-boggling, others just quick little throwaways, as when a transparent green-slime monster gobbles up a mouthful of hot dogs. No matter what effects are being used, they're placed at the service of the actors; instead of feeling as if the characters have been carefully posed in front of special effects, we feel they're winging this adventure as they go along.
The movie stars Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, and Harold Ramis, three graduates of the Second City/National Lampoon/"Saturday Night Live" tradition. They're funny, but they're not afraid to reveal that they're also quick-witted and intelligent; their dialogue puts nice little spins on American clichés, and it uses understatement, irony, in-jokes, vast cynicism, and cheerful goofiness. Rarely has a movie this expensive provided so many quotable lines.
The plot, such as it is, involves an epidemic of psychic nuisance reports in Manhattan. Murray, Ramis, and Aykroyd, defrocked parapsychologists whose university experiments have been exposed as pure boondoggle, create a company named Ghostbusters and offer to speed to the rescue like a supernatural version of the Orkin man. Business is bad until Sigourney Weaver notices that the eggs in her kitchen are frying themselves. Her next-door neighbor, Rick Moranis, notices horrifying monsters in the apartment hallways. They both apparently live in a building that serves as a conduit to the next world. The ghostbusters ride to the rescue, armed with nuclear-powered backpacks. There is a lot of talk about arcane details of psychic lore (most of which the ghostbusters are inventing on the spot), and then an earthshaking showdown between good and evil, during which Manhattan is menaced by a monster that is twenty stories high, and about which I cannot say one more word without spoiling the movie's best visual moment.
"Ghostbusters" is one of those rare movies where the original, fragile comic vision has survived a multimillion-dollar production. It is not a complete vindication for big-budget comedies, since it's still true, as a general rule, that the more you spend, the fewer laughs you get. But it uses its money wisely, and when that, ahem, monster marches down a Manhattan avenue and climbs the side of a skyscraper ... we're glad they spent the money for the special effects because it gets one of the biggest laughs in a long time.
June 8, 1984 |
"Ghostbusters" is a head-on collision between two comic approaches that have rarely worked together very successfully. This time, they do. It's (1) a special-effects blockbuster, and (2) a sly dialogue movie, in which everybody talks to each other like smart graduate students who are in on the joke. In the movie's climactic scenes, an apocalyptic psychic mindquake is rocking Manhattan, and the experts talk like Bob and Ray.
This movie is an exception to the general rule that big special effects can wreck a comedy. Special effects require painstaking detail work. Comedy requires spontaneity and improvisation; or at least that's what it should feel like, no matter how much work has gone into it. In movies like Steven Spielberg's "1941," the awesome scale of the special effects dominated everything else; we couldn't laugh because we were holding our breath. Not this time.
"Ghostbusters" has a lot of neat effects, some of them mind-boggling, others just quick little throwaways, as when a transparent green-slime monster gobbles up a mouthful of hot dogs. No matter what effects are being used, they're placed at the service of the actors; instead of feeling as if the characters have been carefully posed in front of special effects, we feel they're winging this adventure as they go along.
The movie stars Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, and Harold Ramis, three graduates of the Second City/National Lampoon/"Saturday Night Live" tradition. They're funny, but they're not afraid to reveal that they're also quick-witted and intelligent; their dialogue puts nice little spins on American clichés, and it uses understatement, irony, in-jokes, vast cynicism, and cheerful goofiness. Rarely has a movie this expensive provided so many quotable lines.
The plot, such as it is, involves an epidemic of psychic nuisance reports in Manhattan. Murray, Ramis, and Aykroyd, defrocked parapsychologists whose university experiments have been exposed as pure boondoggle, create a company named Ghostbusters and offer to speed to the rescue like a supernatural version of the Orkin man. Business is bad until Sigourney Weaver notices that the eggs in her kitchen are frying themselves. Her next-door neighbor, Rick Moranis, notices horrifying monsters in the apartment hallways. They both apparently live in a building that serves as a conduit to the next world. The ghostbusters ride to the rescue, armed with nuclear-powered backpacks. There is a lot of talk about arcane details of psychic lore (most of which the ghostbusters are inventing on the spot), and then an earthshaking showdown between good and evil, during which Manhattan is menaced by a monster that is twenty stories high, and about which I cannot say one more word without spoiling the movie's best visual moment.
"Ghostbusters" is one of those rare movies where the original, fragile comic vision has survived a multimillion-dollar production. It is not a complete vindication for big-budget comedies, since it's still true, as a general rule, that the more you spend, the fewer laughs you get. But it uses its money wisely, and when that, ahem, monster marches down a Manhattan avenue and climbs the side of a skyscraper ... we're glad they spent the money for the special effects because it gets one of the biggest laughs in a long time.
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Cinema is important.
Not shit like this Ghostbusters,
There are totally legitimate reasons to not like any specific film (after actually seeing it), but those ones above? No. Feig and his crew had nothing to do with Aykroyd's failure to write a film worth financing.
but real cinema is certainly important enough to get one's emotions revved up over.
When taking a side pro or con means so much, and caries so much baggage, I have a hard time believing people are being objective.
Here's a not too positive review:
"Mr. Hemsworth looks great and shows himself to be a willing comedian, as well as an excellent foil for Mrs. McCarthy. But this is her movie, first and foremost, and it's another of the messy, near-miss films in which she seems to specialize. Put Mrs. McCarthy in any setting where order, tidiness and rationality are taken seriously, and she becomes the consummate anarchic slob; that's enough to keep ''Ghostbusters'' going, like ''Bridesmaids'' and ''The Heat'' before it. But Mrs. McCarthy would be even more welcome if her talents were used in the service of something genuinely witty and coherent, rather than as an end in themselves."
Just kidding, I just remade the 1984 New York Times review of Ghostbusters, but with the genders flipped.
"Mr. Hemsworth looks great and shows himself to be a willing comedian, as well as an excellent foil for Mrs. McCarthy. But this is her movie, first and foremost, and it's another of the messy, near-miss films in which she seems to specialize. Put Mrs. McCarthy in any setting where order, tidiness and rationality are taken seriously, and she becomes the consummate anarchic slob; that's enough to keep ''Ghostbusters'' going, like ''Bridesmaids'' and ''The Heat'' before it. But Mrs. McCarthy would be even more welcome if her talents were used in the service of something genuinely witty and coherent, rather than as an end in themselves."
Just kidding, I just remade the 1984 New York Times review of Ghostbusters, but with the genders flipped.
As for that reddit post about the reviewers...
That basically amounts to "These people wrote non-negative things about a thing and are now writing somewhat positive things about that thing! Conspiracy!!"
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Re: Ghostbusters (2016, D: Feig)
Culling and analyzing reviews, in order to try to convince yourself that a movie you haven't seen is of course the worst thing ever and literally destroying your life, is in itself pretty g'damn sad.
I hope this new movie does great and 100 sequels also with women only follows. Such cry babies. These are the same people as those from GamerGate, right?
I hope this new movie does great and 100 sequels also with women only follows. Such cry babies. These are the same people as those from GamerGate, right?
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Bill Murray was never going to do a third one so all of this is his fault. The remakes of Robocop,Total Recall and the Evil Dead didn't make me like the originals any less so I don't understand why this movie got the shit storm over those others which are pretty shitty.
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Anyone else find it slightly (or even really) annoying that the main reason we didn't get Ghostbusters III all these years was because Murray refused to do it...yet he had no problem doing an extended cameo in this reboot? I guess you could say, well this is a different character so that was the appeal - but still, it seems like a slap in the face to those who really wanted to see that third movie.
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