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I'd like you to explain it in English for the first time!*



*Note: comment intended for humorous purposes only. I would not, in fact, like you to explain it.

slimdude

You have completely forgotten what this thread is suppose to be about. And besides, I'm not the only one, who's been given their opinions, and POV's on religion. Jim Caviezel happen to be a devout Christian, so conversations as such, are relevant to the original topic, and are not out of context.

slimdude

Well I'm sorry, that you can't understand.

DRG

???

According to these, at least:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/238343...entertainment/

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/o...indu_conc.html

dvdjunkie32

Haha, well I've been proven wrong then!

Groucho

To be fair, The Love Guru was insulting to humanity as a whole.

Ash Ketchum

Aha! The humanists are now up in arms!

Jay G.

I really don't want to get into it. Suffice to say that, aside from past harms (Crusades, Inquisition, etc), not every agrees with the current Christian stances on contraception, masturbation, homosexuality, divorce, etc.

orangecrush

I can see the argument that many Christian's positions/actions on gay rights have hurt our society, but don't really see how their actions in the other areas you mention have hurt society on the whole (You could argue that not masturbating hurts you, I suppose). I generally think it wise to avoid judging the worldview of a group of people based on the actions of leaders (i.e. I wouldn't really judge atheism as a construct as inherently evil because Stalin was one of the worst dudes in history). Most of the atheists I know are as "good" or "bad" as any random person. I think it is the same with Christianity or many other religious. People tend to judge the result of the worldviews based on the bad apples more than the average member of the group.

More "on topic:" I guess it is possible that JC isn't working as much now due to his portrayal of Jesus, but I don't think it is likely. As others have pointed out, many other working actors have played him and do just fine. There are also quite a few other Christian actors who work a lot.

Hokeyboy

Caviezel isn't an A-list star for the same reason Clive Owen isn't an A-list star. They're not versatile leading men. Caviezel always seemed silent, reticent, tortured, dark in every role he does. Clive Owen is ALWAYS! INTENSE! IN EVERY ROLE! Plus he talks like he's got a mouth full of protein.

That doesn't make you a bad actor, necessarily. Just not a versatile one. FWIW Owen's a much better actor though, by FAR.

RichC2

I don't get what this has to do with anything when you get right down to it, Hollywood doesn't shun Christian actors, or actors of any religion, as long as they deliver what needs to be delivered on the screen and aren't complete ass clowns off the screen. Jim C. doesn't stand out from the pack.

Jay G.

I don't want to get into it more on this thread. There are arguments for why the Catholic Church's stance on some of these other issues (like condom use) are harmful, but it's debatable.

The difference is that Stalin wasn't ever speaking for/acting on behalf of all atheists, or head of some atheist "church." If an atheist disagrees with Stalin, that's their prerogative, they're not breaking any "tenet" of atheism. However, if a Catholic disagrees with the Pope, or just the Church in general, they're breaking a tenet of the Church and are, technically speaking, a bad Catholic.

This dogmatic practice of absolutes is what's lead to the fracturing of the Christian faith into so many different churches, since the introduction of, say, a gay pastor, to one church may cause it to split into two:
http://www.365gay.com/news/lutherans...bible-beliefs/

Ultimately, though, all the Christian factions speak with religious authority over their flock. Individual members have their morality guided by what the church says is and isn't right. This is in contrast to atheists, who don't have anyone from above telling them what is and isn't right (although they typically have a government telling them what is and isn't allowed).

I'm thinking Caviezel said it just to play the persecuted martyr, all the better to sell his audiobook version of the Bible to the churchgoers he was talking to:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/enter...,2902881.story

Hokeyboy

I think playing Jesus went to his head. Playing the victim and engaging in poor, self-deluded woe-is-me'ism is a surefire marketing ploy to hook in the local sheeple.

Supermallet

Wait, are you suggesting that Caveizel might have exaggerated the effect that playing Jesus has had on his career in order to help promote and sell a product? That can't possibly be, as we've learned he's a perfect Christian! In fact, I would be utterly shocked if he kept any money for himself when he plays a role.

Jay G.

The "all star" part of his audiobook description isn't too far off the mark, look at this cast:

Jim Caviezel, Jesus (of course)
Richard Dreyfuss, Voice of Moses
Lou Gossett, Jr., John
John Heard, Matthew
Ernie Hudson, Peter
Stacy Keach, Paul
Chris McDonald, Luke
Luke Perry, Stephen and Judas
Lou Diamond Phillips, Mark
John Schneider, James
Marisa Tomei, Mary Magadalene
Terence Stamp, Voice of God
Kimberly Williams-Paisley, Mary, Mother of Jesus
Michael York, Narrator

http://www.amazon.com/Word-Promise-T.../dp/0718024249

I'm not sure why Richard Dreyfuss is listed as the "Voice of Moses".

Edit: a bigger list of names here:
http://www.lifewaystores.com/lwstore...udio_bible.asp

Supermallet

They miscredited Stamp there, it should read "Voice of Zod."

Groucho

What are the four gospels?

slimdude

Good point! God's love is unconditional, regardless of their denomination.

Numanoid

Sold!

Numanoid

Terrance Stamp: "Kneel before Zod!"

Recording Engineer: "That's 'God'".

DRG

Terrance Stamp: "Zoddamn it, I keep doing that!"

Josh-da-man

"Son of Yahweh, kneel before Zod!"

bluetoast

Temple of Doom would fit this to a degree.

SuckaMC

Speaking of resurrection. BAM!

I like ole Jim, Frequency is one of my favorite movies (love it!!!) and now it seems we get him as the lead in Person of Intrest, along side Michael Emerson!

Weekly Jesus and Ben? I will watch!

Jay G.

It's been more than 3 days.