Matrix Revolutions: Does it suck as much as I've heard?
04-05-04, 01:14 AM
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I feel that they are bashed far more than they deserve. The first Matrix movie was very original. The next two movies were never going to capture that same magic feeling.
I feel that they are bashed far more than they deserve. The first Matrix movie was very original. The next two movies were never going to capture that same magic feeling.
It was like the moment you realized Chris Carter had lost any kind of narrative thread for The X-Files and was making it up as he went along.
04-05-04, 01:19 AM
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I enjoyed Revolutions but I didn't expect to see the greatest piece of film ever. Great action and tying up of loose ends............Yes. Pretentious....yes. Shakespeare...no. But if ya want a movie that'll rattle the china cabinet...go for it.
04-05-04, 08:23 AM
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Neither sequel can hold a candle to the original, but I definitely enjoyed Revolutions more than Reloaded. It was just less...bloat. Would've liked to see more of Morpheus. It seemed he was relegated to a background character and cheerleader in this one.
04-05-04, 08:42 AM
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Great Action????? I saw better action in Agent Cody Banks......
No but seriously, the first movie had Martial arts galore, the second one had it as well and looked nice.....
Revolutions on the other hand took things toooooooo seriously.....
Revolutions sucked big tennis balls......
No but seriously, the first movie had Martial arts galore, the second one had it as well and looked nice.....
Revolutions on the other hand took things toooooooo seriously.....
Revolutions sucked big tennis balls......
04-05-04, 08:44 AM
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I loved Revolutions, but bear in mind that my two viewings were at "zero hour" and an IMAX, so that might have played a large part. I actually had a thread where I questioned my sanity for liking the movie. 
As a whole, I loved the story and its philosophy. Broken up into smaller bits, I can see how one wouldn't think much of it. If nothing else, Revolutions is a cool visual treat and you at least owe it to yourself to complete the story.
As a whole, I loved the story and its philosophy. Broken up into smaller bits, I can see how one wouldn't think much of it. If nothing else, Revolutions is a cool visual treat and you at least owe it to yourself to complete the story.
04-05-04, 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by gcribbs
I was someone who actually liked Reloaded and Revolutions. I thought they were both well done movies that kept me entertained.
I did not change my life while watching them ;however, I did enjoy myself.
I feel that they are bashed far more than they deserve. The first Matrix movie was very original. The next two movies were never going to capture that same magic feeling.
I was someone who actually liked Reloaded and Revolutions. I thought they were both well done movies that kept me entertained.
I did not change my life while watching them ;however, I did enjoy myself.
I feel that they are bashed far more than they deserve. The first Matrix movie was very original. The next two movies were never going to capture that same magic feeling.
04-05-04, 08:55 AM
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I actually like Reloaded better than the first. That's saying a lot because I'm a big fan of the first (I think I went to see it a total of ten times which is a rarity for me). Yes, it was pretentious at times but I was cool with that because the first was also quite pretentious. And really most of the complaints come for the Architect's manner of speaking. But it made sense given how he obviously saw himself superior to Neo and would talk down to him in such a manner.
As for the third film, I'd rank it almost on par with the first (just slightly bellow). Again, that's saying a lot because I view Revolutions as the missing third act of Reloaded. I often wonder if the title is not so much a reference to the book of Revelation but rather alluding to the word "resolutions" as that's what the third film basically consisted of. It's actually a good movie just not a fantastic one. Watch it with that in mind and you might like it.
I just hope after the MMORPG has run its course (you know eventually it will), we'd get a fourth film that'd tie up that annoyingly obvious setup for a sequel Revolutions has. Then again, I guess that's what the game is for.
As for the third film, I'd rank it almost on par with the first (just slightly bellow). Again, that's saying a lot because I view Revolutions as the missing third act of Reloaded. I often wonder if the title is not so much a reference to the book of Revelation but rather alluding to the word "resolutions" as that's what the third film basically consisted of. It's actually a good movie just not a fantastic one. Watch it with that in mind and you might like it.
I just hope after the MMORPG has run its course (you know eventually it will), we'd get a fourth film that'd tie up that annoyingly obvious setup for a sequel Revolutions has. Then again, I guess that's what the game is for.
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04-05-04, 10:01 AM
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I did not enojoy Revolutions, and I even saw it twice during its theatrical run to try to give it a chance over my expectations. In the theater, I found myself laughing at bad acting, contrived plot points, and obvious imagery. Granted, the other two movies had their share of these flaws, but by the time I've gotten to the third movie of the series, the spectacle of the special effects just doesn't awe me any more.
I can definately understand the view points of those who like this movie. It contains many entertaining aspects, but for myself, the positive do not outweigh the negatives.
I can definately understand the view points of those who like this movie. It contains many entertaining aspects, but for myself, the positive do not outweigh the negatives.
04-05-04, 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by RocShemp
I actually like Reloaded better than the first. That's saying a lot because I'm a big fan of the first (I think I went to see it a total of ten times which is a rarity for me). Yes, it was pretentious at times but I was cool with that because the first was also quite pretentious. And really most of the complaints come for the Architect's manner of speaking. But it made sense given how he obviously saw himself superior to Neo and would talk down to him in such a manner.
As for the third film, I'd rank it almost on par with the first (just slightly bellow). Again, that's saying a lot because I view Revolutions as the missing third act of Reloaded. I often wonder if the title is not so much a reference to the book of Revelation but rather alluding to the word "resolutions" as that's what the third film basically consisted of. It's actually a good movie just not a fantastic one. Watch it with that in mind and you might like it.
I just hope after the MMORPG has run its course (you know eventually it will), we'd get a fourth film that'd tie up that annoyingly obvious setup for a sequel Revolutions has. Then again, I guess that's what the game is for.
I actually like Reloaded better than the first. That's saying a lot because I'm a big fan of the first (I think I went to see it a total of ten times which is a rarity for me). Yes, it was pretentious at times but I was cool with that because the first was also quite pretentious. And really most of the complaints come for the Architect's manner of speaking. But it made sense given how he obviously saw himself superior to Neo and would talk down to him in such a manner.
As for the third film, I'd rank it almost on par with the first (just slightly bellow). Again, that's saying a lot because I view Revolutions as the missing third act of Reloaded. I often wonder if the title is not so much a reference to the book of Revelation but rather alluding to the word "resolutions" as that's what the third film basically consisted of. It's actually a good movie just not a fantastic one. Watch it with that in mind and you might like it.
I just hope after the MMORPG has run its course (you know eventually it will), we'd get a fourth film that'd tie up that annoyingly obvious setup for a sequel Revolutions has. Then again, I guess that's what the game is for.
But, Revolutions was a dark film, it was of a more serious tone and that really attracted me to it - I also loved how Agent Smith was at his most evil in Revolutions, he was barely noticed in Reloaded (even with a hundred of them jumping on Neo).
It should be remembered (as it was somewhat hit on in previous posts) that Revolutions is NOT a third serving to the first film - it's simply a continuation of Reloaded and a damn good one.
This is my favorite movie out of all three and the only one I will buy - there is just something about the overall feel of it.
04-05-04, 11:21 AM
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I thought this series got progressively worse. They should have just made one sequel - cut out some of the pointless battles and they would have had something to stand-up to the original film.
04-05-04, 11:46 AM
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Re: Matrix Revolutions: Does it suck as much as I've heard?
Originally posted by Living Dead
I love the original Matrix, but was sorely disappointed with the sequel, so much so that I skipped Revolutions when it was in theatres. So I have no idea how the trilogy ends. But I've heard a few mixed reviews of this movie and I wonder if I even want to see it, or if I just want to remember the original without the other two. Does this movie bring the story full circle and give the trilogy a worthwhile send-off, or should I stay away?
I love the original Matrix, but was sorely disappointed with the sequel, so much so that I skipped Revolutions when it was in theatres. So I have no idea how the trilogy ends. But I've heard a few mixed reviews of this movie and I wonder if I even want to see it, or if I just want to remember the original without the other two. Does this movie bring the story full circle and give the trilogy a worthwhile send-off, or should I stay away?
But after seeing this one ... the first one starts to look better and better. Just awful.
04-05-04, 11:56 AM
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I liked Reloaded a lot -- not as much as the original, but it was an enjoyable movie that seemed to set up the series for a satisfying conclusions. Revolutions, I thought, sucked. Since the original poster hasn't seen the movie, I'll put specifics in spoiler space.
Also, not to be one of those "No insert!?! I'm cancelling my preoder!!!!11!!!1!" people, but man, does that DVD cover art suck.
Spoiler:
Also, not to be one of those "No insert!?! I'm cancelling my preoder!!!!11!!!1!" people, but man, does that DVD cover art suck.
04-05-04, 12:03 PM
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JasonF, well said. The questions you raised confused me as well, and I agree with you completely on the DVD cover.
Still, I am buying the DVD to complete the trilogy and the resolution to the whole thing. I am one of the few people who thought Keanu Reeves did a great job portraying Neo. He was just as good in this even though he was missing for most of the movie
It is a pretty weak conclusion to the trilogy but I wasn't expecting much. I give it a C+.
Still, I am buying the DVD to complete the trilogy and the resolution to the whole thing. I am one of the few people who thought Keanu Reeves did a great job portraying Neo. He was just as good in this even though he was missing for most of the movie
It is a pretty weak conclusion to the trilogy but I wasn't expecting much. I give it a C+.
04-05-04, 12:53 PM
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yeah, we might all be disappointed with Reloaded, but Reloaded is seen in a different light once you've seen Revolutions (which is better than Reloaded).
I would see it if I were you (plus it concludes everything).
Matrix: A-
M: Reloaded: B-
M: Revolutions: B+
Animatrix: B
I would see it if I were you (plus it concludes everything).
Matrix: A-
M: Reloaded: B-
M: Revolutions: B+
Animatrix: B
04-05-04, 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by jonpeters
yeah, we might all be disappointed with Reloaded, but Reloaded is seen in a different light once you've seen Revolutions (which is better than Reloaded).
I would see it if I were you (plus it concludes everything).
Matrix: A-
M: Reloaded: B-
M: Revolutions: B+
Animatrix: B
yeah, we might all be disappointed with Reloaded, but Reloaded is seen in a different light once you've seen Revolutions (which is better than Reloaded).
I would see it if I were you (plus it concludes everything).
Matrix: A-
M: Reloaded: B-
M: Revolutions: B+
Animatrix: B
Matrix: A
M: Reloaded: C-
M: Revolutions: D+
Animatrix: A-
04-05-04, 03:35 PM
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I for one quite enjoyed Revolutions. While it's true the film doesn't really address some of the things we wish it would have, and that some plots points are telegraphed in very vague manners, nonetheless I think it is an excellent capper to the Matrix story. Not to mention with some kick ass action sequences and some incredible special effects.
Now, granted, I'm one of those guys who doesn't think the first film is that amazing. Quite frankly, save for the pacing issues of the sequels, I find that all three Matrices have the same level of acting, scifi plot, inane philosophy which is nonetheless amusing. I actually found myself liking the whole series more with the advent of the sequels. Nonetheless, liked Revolutions a lot...great eye candy, and a good resolution to the story. I know some people hated the way it all ended but...quite frankly...I quite liked it. And thought it to be far more original than just your typical good guy beats the bad guys films.
Now, granted, I'm one of those guys who doesn't think the first film is that amazing. Quite frankly, save for the pacing issues of the sequels, I find that all three Matrices have the same level of acting, scifi plot, inane philosophy which is nonetheless amusing. I actually found myself liking the whole series more with the advent of the sequels. Nonetheless, liked Revolutions a lot...great eye candy, and a good resolution to the story. I know some people hated the way it all ended but...quite frankly...I quite liked it. And thought it to be far more original than just your typical good guy beats the bad guys films.
04-05-04, 04:08 PM
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A lot of people griped about Revolutions not giving much resolution. While I will agree, a lot of sci-fi writings and movies (i.e. Blade Runner, 2001) leaves it to the audience to decide for themselves what to believe and what not to believe.
I think the Wachowskis were using the oracle in the third movie to speak to the audience concerning the philosophy when she says : "You're going to have to make up your own damn mind."
While it may be hard to believe, I think the Wachowskis have made the first ever trilogy of movies that has a cult following when you only count the people who liked them all.
I think the Wachowskis were using the oracle in the third movie to speak to the audience concerning the philosophy when she says : "You're going to have to make up your own damn mind."
While it may be hard to believe, I think the Wachowskis have made the first ever trilogy of movies that has a cult following when you only count the people who liked them all.
04-05-04, 05:23 PM
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I like how everyone bashes the Matrix films for it's inane philosophy, but then complain at "plot holes" that can be explained with a little bit of thought and some already established philosophy. These are the same people who mock Revolutions because they think the depth of the philosophy stopped at MOBIL Ave being an anagram of LIMBO.
I loved Revolutions, and I think it's the best of the series (although the first ranks higher in my all time favorite movies). If you don't like to put a lot of thought into movies, and if reading up on a little philosophy and mythology and theology ain't your style, you're probably not going to like it. Still, I thought at it's very basic level, Revolutions was an entertaining action movie. The eye candy alone was worth the price of admission.
http://www.uemedia.net/CPC/vfxpro/article_7062.shtml
Check out the videos of CG Smith and Neo towards the bottom. Revolutions is the most technically impressive movie ever made.
I loved Revolutions, and I think it's the best of the series (although the first ranks higher in my all time favorite movies). If you don't like to put a lot of thought into movies, and if reading up on a little philosophy and mythology and theology ain't your style, you're probably not going to like it. Still, I thought at it's very basic level, Revolutions was an entertaining action movie. The eye candy alone was worth the price of admission.
http://www.uemedia.net/CPC/vfxpro/article_7062.shtml
Check out the videos of CG Smith and Neo towards the bottom. Revolutions is the most technically impressive movie ever made.
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04-05-04, 05:34 PM
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A lot of people griped about Revolutions not giving much resolution. While I will agree, a lot of sci-fi writings and movies (i.e. Blade Runner, 2001) leaves it to the audience to decide for themselves what to believe and what not to believe.
A lot of people griped about Revolutions not giving much resolution. While I will agree, a lot of sci-fi writings and movies (i.e. Blade Runner, 2001) leaves it to the audience to decide for themselves what to believe and what not to believe.
Originally posted by beefjerky
If you don't like to put a lot of thought into movies, and if reading up on a little philosophy and mythology and theology ain't your style, you're probably not going to like it.
If you don't like to put a lot of thought into movies, and if reading up on a little philosophy and mythology and theology ain't your style, you're probably not going to like it.
Originally posted by beefjerky
Revolutions is the most technically impressive movie ever made.
Revolutions is the most technically impressive movie ever made.
I think there are a few Hobbits that would have to disagree with you on that.
04-05-04, 05:40 PM
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On the contrary, I think if reading up on philosophy, mythology, and theology are your style, you're going to see through this movie.
On the contrary, I think if reading up on philosophy, mythology, and theology are your style, you're going to see through this movie.
04-05-04, 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by Suprmallet
On the contrary, I think if reading up on philosophy, mythology, and theology are your style, you're going to see through this movie. The Wachowskis put a lot of red herrings in the film to distract the audience from thinking too much about the supposed philosophical points that were really dropped quite early in the film.
On the contrary, I think if reading up on philosophy, mythology, and theology are your style, you're going to see through this movie. The Wachowskis put a lot of red herrings in the film to distract the audience from thinking too much about the supposed philosophical points that were really dropped quite early in the film.
I think there are a few Hobbits that would have to disagree with you on that.
04-05-04, 06:10 PM
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Overall, from a pure technical point of view, Revolutions got ROTK beat. Aesthetically, it's debatable, but the technology is far more impressive in Revolutions.
Overall, from a pure technical point of view, Revolutions got ROTK beat. Aesthetically, it's debatable, but the technology is far more impressive in Revolutions.
Now, I'm not trying to say that the effects in Reloaded and Revolutions aren't impressive, because they are. However, when they would do the slow-mo stuff in the Neo/Smith fights, it was quite easy to tell when they were using CGI versus when they weren't. It wasn't very seamless at all. The first movie didn't have that problem, the second two do.