Sony Announces First Waves of MOD (Manufacture on Demand) Blu-ray Releases.
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I can always burn another copy (or 2 or 3) to ensure that ONE of them will last. Likewise, I could back-up those copies to fresh new BD-Rs when an arbitrarly long time has passed (eg, 5 years) to ensure the title is "fresh". Or backup to HD, etc.
Using BD-Rs makes legality of the "copy" issue moot to me, since they're choosing to use a method of distribution which is known and proven to have lesser longevity than pressed media. What a guy stuck between a rock and a hard place to do?! Cheat 'em at their own game!
Using BD-Rs makes legality of the "copy" issue moot to me, since they're choosing to use a method of distribution which is known and proven to have lesser longevity than pressed media. What a guy stuck between a rock and a hard place to do?! Cheat 'em at their own game!
You can copy a BD using protection defeating software, however the copy will no longer have the traditional protection yet still have the Cinavia.
All players, except older models, have Cinavia installed on them. When loading the disc the player reads and recognizes the Cinavia on the disc. The player then searches for the other, traditional copy protection. If the player can't find it, which it won't on a copy, the audio will cut out about 15 minutes into the movie.
Some DVDs have Cinavia also. A copy will play in a DVD player but not a BD player. DVD players don't have Cinavia installed on them.
When Amazon put new restrictions on selling DVDs they left BDs unrestricted because they can't be bootlegged.
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Personally, I'd rather seek out the import Blu-ray or even the DVD version of a movie I want to own rather than purchase a BD-R. I suspect this will fail just as Universal's foray into "flipper" discs was never fully embraced. If you gauge the response in this and other forums, I'd say nearly everyone save for a few misguided souls have their noses twisted out of joint over this news. As soon as these forums fill with both anecdotal and fictionalized accounts of disc failures, this experiment by Sony will be o-v-e-r. The people who are claiming this is a great idea and that it will save physical media have not thought it through. Will companies like Universal PRESS titles like "The Marx Brothers" on Blu-ray disc or will Warner Bros continue to PRESS their "Archive Collection" if Sony enjoys success with cheaply produced BD-Rs? Of course not—what would be the incentive? As for consumers, why buy a disc with a questionable lifespan if you can own it digitally on iTunes or VUDU far cheaper? Neither are a guarantee of long-term use and continue to move the ball slowly down the court to the end of the game for physical media. You've heard the story of a frog in a slow boil? It's a great analogy. If you haven't already, it is time to go region free my friends. Support the Blu-ray Disc and boycott the BD-R. It's truly unfortunate to see the company that fought so hard to eliminate HD DVD now looking to put the final nails in their own format's coffin. They have managed the evolution of high definition so poorly that I once again mourn the defeat of HD DVD.
Two things you can do: Send Sony a polite letter voicing your opposition to their decision and boycott the BD-R. Otherwise you can kiss the continued release of less popular and obscure titles on Blu-ray disc goodbye. Oh, and you can probably say goodbye to distributors like Shout, Arrow, Olive, Kino and Twilight Time because far fewer titles will be licensed for them to distribute if the studios move to this MOD/BD-R model for their catalog titles. This is just BAD news.
Two things you can do: Send Sony a polite letter voicing your opposition to their decision and boycott the BD-R. Otherwise you can kiss the continued release of less popular and obscure titles on Blu-ray disc goodbye. Oh, and you can probably say goodbye to distributors like Shout, Arrow, Olive, Kino and Twilight Time because far fewer titles will be licensed for them to distribute if the studios move to this MOD/BD-R model for their catalog titles. This is just BAD news.
Last edited by AaronSch; 08-20-16 at 10:53 AM.
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I'll take a wait and see approach. Out of this first batch I'm only interested in Fury. I need to investigate further if the French BD version does not have subs - I'll get that one instead.
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The whole MOD thing seems kind of unnecessary, especially for DVD.
The studios can press the minimum amount of 500 units and sell that quantity quite easily.
The one Warner Archive disc I have uses what looks like a Falcon brand thermal DVD-R with a nice full-colour thermal-printed disc label and a trap sheet.
These would cost a fair amount of money to burn and print them one-by-one.
I guess the logic is if they stock 200 different titles X 500 of each - that's a lot of up-front money tied-up including storage. Then again, this is a major studio, not a basement operation.
The studios can press the minimum amount of 500 units and sell that quantity quite easily.
The one Warner Archive disc I have uses what looks like a Falcon brand thermal DVD-R with a nice full-colour thermal-printed disc label and a trap sheet.
These would cost a fair amount of money to burn and print them one-by-one.
I guess the logic is if they stock 200 different titles X 500 of each - that's a lot of up-front money tied-up including storage. Then again, this is a major studio, not a basement operation.
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The major studios despise carrying inventory of slow-selling titles, which is why they are so quick to jump on using BD-Rs. Some of the problem is how they've written up movie contracts with profit participants which plays into their decision.
I believe Sony thinks the initial demand for these discs will be under 1000 units per movie. I imagine if sales exceed expectations they switch certain discs to pressed copies.
The Film Detective, a niche label, has been using BD-Rs for their releases. I haven't had a problem with them, though I would hate to own a favorite movie on this format.
I believe Sony thinks the initial demand for these discs will be under 1000 units per movie. I imagine if sales exceed expectations they switch certain discs to pressed copies.
The Film Detective, a niche label, has been using BD-Rs for their releases. I haven't had a problem with them, though I would hate to own a favorite movie on this format.
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99% guess that these "black looking" bluray discs (instead of "silver side" looking) were not legitimate.
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Unless you have an older, pre-Cinavia player this won't work. These are sure to be copy protected. Bds have the same copy protections as DVDs, plus the added protection of Cinavia. Nobody has cracked it yet as far as I know.
You can copy a BD using protection defeating software, however the copy will no longer have the traditional protection yet still have the Cinavia.
All players, except older models, have Cinavia installed on them. When loading the disc the player reads and recognizes the Cinavia on the disc. The player then searches for the other, traditional copy protection. If the player can't find it, which it won't on a copy, the audio will cut out about 15 minutes into the movie.
Some DVDs have Cinavia also. A copy will play in a DVD player but not a BD player. DVD players don't have Cinavia installed on them.
When Amazon put new restrictions on selling DVDs they left BDs unrestricted because they can't be bootlegged.
You can copy a BD using protection defeating software, however the copy will no longer have the traditional protection yet still have the Cinavia.
All players, except older models, have Cinavia installed on them. When loading the disc the player reads and recognizes the Cinavia on the disc. The player then searches for the other, traditional copy protection. If the player can't find it, which it won't on a copy, the audio will cut out about 15 minutes into the movie.
Some DVDs have Cinavia also. A copy will play in a DVD player but not a BD player. DVD players don't have Cinavia installed on them.
When Amazon put new restrictions on selling DVDs they left BDs unrestricted because they can't be bootlegged.
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To the best of my knowledge almost all BD-R discs are black/charcoal-grey on the recordable surface just as purple is for DVD-R and greenish-silver for CD-R.
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BD-r uses fundamentally different recording technology than DVD-r and CD-r. Those use organic phase shift dyes which are prone to fading over time. bd-r uses an inorganic alloy which should last hundreds of years and is essentially archival quality. Do a little googling. There a TDK spec sheet or white paper about it.
(This is assuming they're not using the newer cheapo BD-r LTH media which is dye based.)
(This is assuming they're not using the newer cheapo BD-r LTH media which is dye based.)
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Wonder how soon these titles will show up in local dump bins, so that Alan Smithee and his buddies can swoop in and binge buy them all up.
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Body Double - Twilight Time BR release
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The idea that this is the only way we'll see some obscure titles on Blu-ray is ludicrous. Logic dictates that if collectors are foolish enough to embrace buying any of these titles on BD-R it will make it less likely that catalog titles will be licensed and pressed in the future. I'd prefer buying a pressed Blu-ray disc from Olive Films, Kino/Lorber and yes, even the over-priced Twilight Time—even bare-bones—over these Sony BD-Rs. If you folks support this ruse, I guarantee far fewer titles will be licensed by the studios in the future and you'll have nobody but yourselves to blame.
I'm shopping for my first region-free 3-D Blu-ray player. Any suggestions? My first Region B purchase will be the PRESSED Australian Import of "Body Double" for $14.95 from Deep Discount—half of what Sony wants for its BD-R coasters.
I'm shopping for my first region-free 3-D Blu-ray player. Any suggestions? My first Region B purchase will be the PRESSED Australian Import of "Body Double" for $14.95 from Deep Discount—half of what Sony wants for its BD-R coasters.
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The idea that this is the only way we'll see some obscure titles on Blu-ray is ludicrous. Logic dictates that if collectors are foolish enough to embrace buying any of these titles on BD-R it will make it less likely that catalog titles will be licensed and pressed in the future. I'd prefer buying a pressed Blu-ray disc from Olive Films, Kino/Lorber and yes, even the over-priced Twilight Time—even bare-bones—over these Sony BD-Rs. If you folks support this ruse, I guarantee far fewer titles will be licensed by the studios in the future and you'll have nobody but yourselves to blame.
I'm shopping for my first region-free 3-D Blu-ray player. Any suggestions? My first Region B purchase will be the PRESSED Australian Import of "Body Double" for $14.95 from Deep Discount—half of what Sony wants for its BD-R coasters.
I'm shopping for my first region-free 3-D Blu-ray player. Any suggestions? My first Region B purchase will be the PRESSED Australian Import of "Body Double" for $14.95 from Deep Discount—half of what Sony wants for its BD-R coasters.
This is the one I bought - it was refurbished - it's a fantastic little player:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...on=refurbished
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- season 5 of the original Charlie's Angels.
Though in this case, I doubt it was re-released (as pressed discs) due to it being a hot seller. The pressed version of season 5 was specifically included in the "complete series" dvd set of the original Charlie's Angels.
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This is the one I bought - it was refurbished - it's a fantastic little player:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...on=refurbished
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...on=refurbished
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Is there Legit factory pressings of karate kid 3 and next karate kid on bluray? I bought the amazon ones choice collection. I didn't know they are dvd-r but I don't like paying that much to have a burnt copy. Thanks for any help.
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Is there Legit factory pressings of karate kid 3 and next karate kid on bluray? I bought the amazon ones choice collection. I didn't know they are dvd-r but I don't like paying that much to have a burnt copy. Thanks for any help.
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Looks like they're continuing with this line, and its bloated pricing:
THE BITTER TEA OF GENERAL YEN - $26.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0742VSVXQ/
THE BITTER TEA OF GENERAL YEN - $26.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0742VSVXQ/
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Bitter Tea indeed.
A few years ago, I would have been happy to buy a Frank Capra: The Early Years DVD set, but 1) by the time I began to want it, and 2) by the time I realized the first batch was actually replicated, it was too late.
If anybody has a replicated set in like new condition they want to sell, do send me a PM. But no, I'm not paying the $67+ they want on Amazon.
A few years ago, I would have been happy to buy a Frank Capra: The Early Years DVD set, but 1) by the time I began to want it, and 2) by the time I realized the first batch was actually replicated, it was too late.
If anybody has a replicated set in like new condition they want to sell, do send me a PM. But no, I'm not paying the $67+ they want on Amazon.
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