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If physical media went away completely, would you be ok?
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Re: If physical media went away completely, would you be ok?
Yeah well, like some people collect coins, stamps, books LPs, CDs, cars, dolls, toys etc etc... I enjoy collecting movies for both the tangible and entertainment value. Pure and simply, it's a hobby.
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Yes, they reserve the right to add or change fees, or change their service entirely, but that's pretty standard boilerplate for an online service. They don't want to be locked into one set of fees for the lifetime of their service. Keep in mind that "purchase fees," aka the cost of a purchase are included in those terms.
Could Vudu add a "maintenance fee"? Yes, it's within the scope of their terms of use. Will they? That's just speculation, and nothing in their terms of use indicates this one way or the other. I've already provided my reasoning for why I think Vudu, or any other digital download site, doing so for digital purchases is highly unlikely.
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None of that, even the bolded stuff, states that they plan on charging a fee for maintaining your library.
Yes, they reserve the right to add or change fees, or change their service entirely, but that's pretty standard boilerplate for an online service. They don't want to be locked into one set of fees for the lifetime of their service. Keep in mind that "purchase fees," aka the cost of a purchase are included in those terms.
Could Vudu add a "maintenance fee"? Yes, it's within the scope of their terms of use. Will they? That's just speculation, and nothing in their terms of use indicates this one way or the other. I've already provided my reasoning for why I think Vudu, or any other digital download site, doing so for digital purchases is highly unlikely.
Yes, they reserve the right to add or change fees, or change their service entirely, but that's pretty standard boilerplate for an online service. They don't want to be locked into one set of fees for the lifetime of their service. Keep in mind that "purchase fees," aka the cost of a purchase are included in those terms.
Could Vudu add a "maintenance fee"? Yes, it's within the scope of their terms of use. Will they? That's just speculation, and nothing in their terms of use indicates this one way or the other. I've already provided my reasoning for why I think Vudu, or any other digital download site, doing so for digital purchases is highly unlikely.
Look up the failed limited roll out of DIVX via the now defunct Circuit City. The studios are salivating for the opportunity to charge you an endless amount of fees while severely limiting your access to content. It is their collective "wet dream."
*** Channeling Mr. Spock ***....fascinating.
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A secondary purpose of internet message boards is individuals voicing their frustrations/grievances to a larger audience.
(Before the internet became popular, the local watering holes served a similar secondary purpose).
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You sound pretty hostile today.
I too have been working from home over the past week.
Other than doing a long distance jog for 30 minutes earlier this morning, I haven't been outside in the air since sunrise.
I too have been working from home over the past week.
Other than doing a long distance jog for 30 minutes earlier this morning, I haven't been outside in the air since sunrise.
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Hostile? Who is baiting a reply from who? I am pleased you have extracurricular activities! Now, go live healthy and take on the day! You have my blessings, sir.
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#162
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Edit: Or a distribution method that revoked previous purchase rights and/or charged maintenance fees for access to previous purchases?
You feel customers will get locked into "digital purchase," when in reality the market for digital purchases is varied enough that consumers can move around, and thus stick with a particular platform only as long as it's attractive to do so. The fact that some of the titles rely on UV and DMA, meaning that the purchases are portable and can be imported into a competing service, even further diminishes a particular service provider's grip on their consumer base.
And as for the "exclusive programming" of certain monthly subscription services like Netflix, keep in mind that they also make that programming, like Orange is the New Black, available for purchase on services like Vudu:
http://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content...lack-TV-Series
That's your prerogative, and I'm not arguing against it. I just disagree with your original assertion that "If and when physical media dies, sites like VUDU, Flixster, and iTunes will begin charging fees to maintain your library." For all the faults and potential downsides with going with DRM-locked digital purchases, I don't see that particular scenario as all that likely.
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Let's just agree to disagree. Although, I'm not sure where the disagreement lies. I believe the future is unknown and I am not joining the lemmings and moving towards a digital environment. i sold off my library once and regretted it. Now that I have rebuilt that library I am enjoying my hobby. I am puzzled why anyone who is making the move towards digital ownership would have any interest in debating their decision in a forum dedicated to the collecting of physical media. That is something our friend who fancies himself a psychologist should consider.
It has been said that "misery loves company" and "nobody likes to drink alone." I would say be happy with your decision 'cause you are never going to convince me nor change my opinion on the abandonment of physical media. In my opinion, there's a host of reasons beyond possible fees that makes abandoning physical media a bad decision. As long as it's available it will be my primary choice for content. And my VUDU account is strictly for friends and family to access some of my library. The only titles in that account are those which were included with their respective discs. If they ever start charging a maintenance fee I will delete my account entirely. My goal is to have as few monthly bills, fees and unnecessary services as possible. I believe all of these various monthly obligations are becoming financial slavery for way too many people.
It has been said that "misery loves company" and "nobody likes to drink alone." I would say be happy with your decision 'cause you are never going to convince me nor change my opinion on the abandonment of physical media. In my opinion, there's a host of reasons beyond possible fees that makes abandoning physical media a bad decision. As long as it's available it will be my primary choice for content. And my VUDU account is strictly for friends and family to access some of my library. The only titles in that account are those which were included with their respective discs. If they ever start charging a maintenance fee I will delete my account entirely. My goal is to have as few monthly bills, fees and unnecessary services as possible. I believe all of these various monthly obligations are becoming financial slavery for way too many people.
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That's your prerogative, and I'm not arguing against it. I just disagree with your original assertion that "If and when physical media dies, sites like VUDU, Flixster, and iTunes will begin charging fees to maintain your library." For all the faults and potential downsides with going with DRM-locked digital purchases, I don't see that particular scenario as all that likely.
Back in the day, I used an online brokerage service to do some stock trading. Initially the brokerage didn't charge any extra fees for not doing any trades during a particular month.
Though after awhile, the brokerage starting charging "non-activity" fees if one didn't do any stock trades during a particular month. (This happened after the dotcom crash in 2000, when it was difficult to find anything compelling to buy).
Though not a direct apples-to-apples comparison. This was a sudden change in the terms of service.
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Again, you can do what you want, but when you state something on this forum that I disagree with, especially when you assert it as fact, I'm going to argue the point.
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Offhand, I can only think of a remotely analogous scenario in the stock brokerage business. (Unrelated to downloads, movies, etc ...).
Back in the day, I used an online brokerage service to do some stock trading. Initially the brokerage didn't charge any extra fees for not doing any trades during a particular month.
Though after awhile, the brokerage starting charging "non-activity" fees if one didn't do any stock trades during a particular month. (This happened after the dotcom crash in 2000, when it was difficult to find anything compelling to buy).
Though not a direct apples-to-apples comparison. This was a sudden change in the terms of service.
Back in the day, I used an online brokerage service to do some stock trading. Initially the brokerage didn't charge any extra fees for not doing any trades during a particular month.
Though after awhile, the brokerage starting charging "non-activity" fees if one didn't do any stock trades during a particular month. (This happened after the dotcom crash in 2000, when it was difficult to find anything compelling to buy).
Though not a direct apples-to-apples comparison. This was a sudden change in the terms of service.
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A big thing to note would be did all brokerage services start charging a "non-activity" fee, or did you have the option of moving to a competing service to avoid the fee? From what I recall of brokerage services, some even tout the fact that they don't charge such fees to lure in customers.
After the dotcom crash, I ended up cashing out and wrote off some of the capital-losses against income. I didn't invest a lot to begin with. (I was late to the game).
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Again, the disagreement is with your original post:
Unlike your current assertion that "the future is unknown," you stated that they definitely will start charging maintenance fees. You also stated that such terms already existed in their terms of use, when there's only the more vague terms that they can add or change fees if they want.
Again, you can do what you want, but when you state something on this forum that I disagree with, especially when you assert it as fact, I'm going to argue the point.
Unlike your current assertion that "the future is unknown," you stated that they definitely will start charging maintenance fees. You also stated that such terms already existed in their terms of use, when there's only the more vague terms that they can add or change fees if they want.
Again, you can do what you want, but when you state something on this forum that I disagree with, especially when you assert it as fact, I'm going to argue the point.
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Re: If physical media went away completely, would you be ok?
How many manufacturers are actively supporting VHS, Laserdisc, HD DVD, and D-VHS? There will come a time when the sun sets on Blu-ray, although there are certainly enough players around that there'll still be options decades from now even if the last one were to roll off the assembly line today.
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How many manufacturers are actively supporting VHS, Laserdisc, HD DVD, and D-VHS? There will come a time when the sun sets on Blu-ray, although there are certainly enough players around that there'll still be options decades from now even if the last one were to roll off the assembly line today.
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Vudu and others are predicated on the idea of purchases and rentals instead of an ongoing subscription. As long as people still make new purchases and rentals, they'll still have revenue coming in, and don't necessarily have to charge
I mean iTunes went from videos being a download-once sort of thing to allowing multiple downloads, to just allowing streaming of video. The actual costs for streaming stuff to customers is minimal.
Even for subscription services like Netflix, the majority of costs is in licensing/producing content, not the actual streaming.
You actually haven't really provided any real logic why the digital purchase services like Vudu and others would even want to charge such a fee, let alone why consumers wouldn't react negatively and the market would force them to correct accordingly.
Sure, but that doesn't mean that what you proposed is likely, and it very much doesn't make it an assured outcome.
There's maybe less uncertainty, since they're no 3rd party in charge of providing access to your purchased content. But there's still risks with physical ownership, such as theft or damage. If your house gets robbed, you're out your library. Meanwhile, a digital collection would still be there.
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I think what I have argued epitomizes logic. Historical information is plentiful as are the contents of their own terms and conditions. But you can believe whatever you choose to believe. Matters not to me. I'm not looking to convert you. I simply believe differently... next?
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The studios have demonstrated repeated attempts over the years to exploit their catalogs in any number of ways. To deny that fact is simply ridiculous. I find it fascinating that people in these forums would argue in favor of digital. Perhaps you need something else to occupy your valuable time now that you've decided to cease collecting physical media. ...or are you just looking for an argument?
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The studios have demonstrated repeated attempts over the years to exploit their catalogs in any number of ways. To deny that fact is simply ridiculous. I find it fascinating that people in these forums would argue in favor of digital. Perhaps you need something else to occupy your valuable time now that you've decided to cease collecting physical media. ...or are you just looking for an argument?
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