UH-OH...what happened to DVDCoverart.com??? - Page 2

Michael Corvin · 06-15-04, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by CanadianKnight

If I understand the DVDCA forums correctly, it looks like some pinhead, who was annoyed at the treatment he got from the moderators, ratted out DVDCoverart to the MPAA, or something along those lines.

Is that really what happened? That sucks. But I gotta say, I'd believe it. I visit the forum there almost as often as here, and I hate to offend anyone, but a lot of the regulars(hell most of the moderators) there are snobish and very brutal on those trying to learn. I won't say I haven't been honest about a hideous cover, but I never went as far as insulting another user and telling them where to go, which seems to happen quite frequently over there.

Shame they had to ruin it for everyone though. I wouldn't doubt if it was someone (rippah or matthieu) from DF ratting them out either.

Randy810 · 06-16-04, 12:59 AM

Oh, for the good old days when people put up a cover and we downloaded and thanked them. Making requests and suggestions.
We were a friendly and good community. I was patiently instructed on how to download, print and make some of my own covers. I never received a insulting or harsh word. We just got too big and went commercial.
To Michael, Matt, DarthVong, John and all the others that gave me instructions, created covers for me that I requested and the friendly good times - THANK YOU!!!

Rogue588 · 06-16-04, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by Randy810
Oh, for the good old days when people put up a cover and we downloaded and thanked them. Making requests and suggestions.
We were a friendly and good community. I was patiently instructed on how to download, print and make some of my own covers. I never received a insulting or harsh word.

Are you referring to DVDCA or DVD Talk?

Randy810 · 06-16-04, 01:31 AM

Both actually. It all started with our Talented Artists on DVDTALK (as you well know) and then Matt expanded and later DVDCA evolved because of the problem with bandwidth. Once the DVDCA got going and became so big with so many contributors, it was almost inevitible that problems would occur. I am not critisizing anyone on either site, I am just lamenting the "good old days" of when the cover artists were offfering their covers o their own sites, and the whole process was less impersonal.

Rogue588 · 06-16-04, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Randy810
I am not critisizing anyone on either site, I am just lamenting the "good old days" of when the cover artists were offfering their covers o their own sites, and the whole process was less impersonal.

I feel you. Well, quoth Cyndi Lauper -- "Money Changes Everything"...

Perhaps there'll be a migration of artists back to DVD Talk?

Michael Corvin · 06-16-04, 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by Rogue588

Perhaps there'll be a migration of artists back to DVD Talk?

Well, I'm back. They won't even let me post a preview pic of my Disney covers in the forum. Even if the cover won't be available for d/l. Posted one the other day, and my post got edited and the pic removed.

BTW, Home on the Range and Aladdin are both 99% done. I just need features.

Bambi is about 80% done. The poster I'm using requires a lot of help, so I have been procrastinating on it. Same for Cinderella.

I will post images later.

Scaramanga · 06-16-04, 07:32 AM

Guess I'll be posting here more frequently too ... the whole Disney thing made me leave the site (edit: DVDCA that is) alltogether.

Michael, maybe I've got the art you want to use for Cinderella / Bambi at high res ?
Just mail me if you want me to have a look in my "archives".

PS. Did you receive that latest mail I sent you Michael ? (asking because ISP is having mail server problems again :-@)

JLyon1515 · 06-16-04, 11:12 AM

I never understood why people don't just host images on a peer to peer file share...like bit torrent or something. It would eliminate the bandwidth issues.

Scaramanga · 06-16-04, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by JLyon1515
I never understood why people don't just host images on a peer to peer file share...like bit torrent or something. It would eliminate the bandwidth issues.

I wonder how it would eliminate the bandwith issues ?

DarthVong · 06-16-04, 01:39 PM

The writing was on the wall once Lucasfilm dropped the hammer. I suspected that eventually other companies would follow suit. I think we were fine when DVDCA was below the radar, but it just got to big and was easily noticed.

As far as the whole making-money issue. There's no other way to host a site with that much bandwidth usage for free. Sure there are alternatives, but nothing as stable as a website vs. peer-peer.

It was fun while it lasted. I'll miss seeing the numerous submissions by lesser known artist who contributed.

Vader42 · 06-16-04, 01:42 PM

Hi all,

I have been with DVDCA for several years, and it has grown to be a major
part of my DVD hobby. I despise snappers, digipacks, and just plain
butt-ugly studio produced coverart (Real Genius, anyone?), and the
incredible covers produced by Matt, DarthVong, Publis82, and too many others
to name have given my library a great makeover. I have never uploaded a
cover, as I have neither the tools nor the talent to contribute in that
way,but I am only too happy to help defray the cost of providing these
services via the credit system Matt came up with. That way everyone shares
in the enjoyment of our favorite source of debt....:-). As was stated
earlier in this thread, the studios are really shooting themselves in the
foot. The packaging of the DVD can (and often does) influence whether or
not I will buy. I avoid digipacks like the plauge, and snappers are not far
behind. If I can print out custom artwork to replace either, then I am much
more likely to take the bait.

I would like to add my voice to those suggesting an "underground" network of
sorts (maybe a password protected private site?), under the radar of the
MPAA. This does have its own set of problems, however. If someone did rat
DVDCA out, I would love nothing more than to hang him/her up by their
toenails. Thing is, how do the powers that be (Matt & co I mean) know that
I am not just as immature, spiteful, and egocentric? Whom does DVDCA trust
with access to the site? Do they require extensive background checks? I
suppose they could get some contractor to do the checks, but the DVDCA
credit fee might go up just a tad bit.....:-).

I agree in that this has *nothing* to do with potential piracy (another can
of worms entirely), but everything to do with the MPAAs paranoia and
heavy-handed legal positioning.

I cannot state strongly enough how much I appriciate the efforts by so many
talented artists at DVDCA, and feel this to be a huge blow to a community I
have come to view as part of my extended family. I am sure that the DVD
cover art community will continue to evolve, and I will be there right along
with it.

witchy1978 · 06-16-04, 03:12 PM

This whole mess with dvdca is just crazy im am so upset about what is going there, as i know you guys are, but i wouldnt hang the towel yet,Im sure when matt gets everything worked out it will be back. (i hope) ok im done rambling now.

pagansoul · 06-16-04, 03:19 PM

I'm glad I not only down-loaded DVD's I own but those I intend to own. Close to 300 (have about 30 credits left). Anyone working on the X-Files bonus disc that appears in most of the seasons?

CanadianKnight · 06-16-04, 03:26 PM

I think I have about 70 creds left... hope I get to use 'em!

Gotta agree with DV though... it was only a matter of time. It's just too bad that some yahoo decided that he needed to ruin it for everyone.

PS - Pagansoul, I *love* that B5 quote. One of the best lines ever.

Scaramanga · 06-16-04, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CanadianKnight
PS - Pagansoul, I *love* that B5 quote. One of the best lines ever.

My favorite one is:

Corwin: "So from now on I guess the operational phrase is, Trust no one."
Ivanova: "No! Trust Ivanova. Trust yourself. Anybody else .... shoot 'em!"

But then again there's tons of Ivanova quotes I find hilarious ...

Gore_Hound_X · 06-16-04, 04:04 PM

Hopefully everything works out. I have been a (non-cover making) member of dvdca since matt was located at Reality Crash (that seems like decades ago) and watched the site evolve from a little page matt put up to the "mega-lo dvdca" we have/had today. I know the "new" site allowed for hundreds of new artist and an abundance of choices but I belive it all just got to "mainstream" I remember reading on a JoBlo.com about who "cool" dvdca was and thought then that the MPAA would swoop in but it was months before the "first shot" was fired by Lucass. I have to agree with the other members, the small intimate friendly old dvdcoverart ,where one could request and critique others covers in the forums and not get "Modded" to death, was the best of time. We might not have had as many artist, but we had the "Greats" Hopefully dvdca survives this, if not I guess it's back to converts of snappers/digi-paks and the few customs that the great artist of DVDTalk continue to churn out.

JoeyOhhhh · 06-16-04, 06:44 PM

I hope everything works out as well, and I caught the thread over at DVDCA about the user who notified the MPAA about the site. That is really messed up thing to do regardless of how you are treated, and it seems downright childish.

That said, I did have an idea about what can be done in the scenario that a central website cannot be achieved.

Maybe a forum (outside of here and DVDCA) can be set up and can work out a trading system, and make up a list of good traders and bad, artist's work with threads, etc.

JNielsen · 06-16-04, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by mattgoble
Michael, I for one would pay money to own a CD of all your disney covers, so I really do hope you can find a new home for them soon.

Matt

Make that 2 of us!!

Randy810 · 06-16-04, 10:00 PM

Make that 3!!!!

Michael Corvin · 06-16-04, 10:55 PM

Thanks for the love guys. Let me get the last two done and I will see what I can do. Mailing cd's is pretty cheap. Maybe I can just send out a bunch at my own cost every once in a while. Still debating though.

JupiterPrime · 06-16-04, 11:10 PM

Dont get caught Mike - hate to be a killjoy but be careful - should you happen to send the "wrong thing" to the "wrong person" by mail, thats all anyone would need to make a federal case out of it.

Scaramanga · 06-17-04, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JupiterPrime
Dont get caught Mike - hate to be a killjoy but be careful - should you happen to send the "wrong thing" to the "wrong person" by mail, thats all anyone would need to make a federal case out of it.

Have to agree with Jupiter ...

Michael Corvin · 06-17-04, 09:03 AM

but if it is something free, that I am sending friends... I don't know. You're probably right. I still don't see the big deal of all of this.

calhoun07 · 06-17-04, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Randy810
Make that 3!!!!

I would also as well!

JupiterPrime · 06-17-04, 09:53 AM

Free or not - simply the fact that is was transported by Federal US mail by a Federal US employee using Federal US resources ... i think you get the picture - again - not trying to be a killjoy, but just trying to keep an eye out for ya

Do I think theres a chance in hell anything like this could happen? highly doubtful - but just how well do you know ANYONE in ANY of these forums? I do trust a few people and some freinds I have made - but anyone who just happens to appear on the scene saying "Hey I love your stuff, can you include me as well?"

Hell NO

06-16-04, 12:59 AM	#27
Randy810 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: May 2000 Location: second star on the right and straight on to the morning Posts: 1,143	Oh, for the good old days when people put up a cover and we downloaded and thanked them. Making requests and suggestions. We were a friendly and good community. I was patiently instructed on how to download, print and make some of my own covers. I never received a insulting or harsh word. We just got too big and went commercial. To Michael, Matt, DarthVong, John and all the others that gave me instructions, created covers for me that I requested and the friendly good times - THANK YOU!!! __________________ Randy810"s collection

06-16-04, 01:31 AM	#29
Randy810 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: May 2000 Location: second star on the right and straight on to the morning Posts: 1,143	Both actually. It all started with our Talented Artists on DVDTALK (as you well know) and then Matt expanded and later DVDCA evolved because of the problem with bandwidth. Once the DVDCA got going and became so big with so many contributors, it was almost inevitible that problems would occur. I am not critisizing anyone on either site, I am just lamenting the "good old days" of when the cover artists were offfering their covers o their own sites, and the whole process was less impersonal. __________________ Randy810"s collection

06-16-04, 07:32 AM	#32
Scaramanga Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Coruscant Posts: 262	Guess I'll be posting here more frequently too ... the whole Disney thing made me leave the site (edit: DVDCA that is) alltogether. Michael, maybe I've got the art you want to use for Cinderella / Bambi at high res ? Just mail me if you want me to have a look in my "archives". PS. Did you receive that latest mail I sent you Michael ? (asking because ISP is having mail server problems again :-@) __________________ "... Forever Eyes. Dark. Somebody's Angel ..."

06-16-04, 01:39 PM	#35
DarthVong DVD Talk Ultimate Edition Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Poca (Not Polka), West Virginia Posts: 4,535	The writing was on the wall once Lucasfilm dropped the hammer. I suspected that eventually other companies would follow suit. I think we were fine when DVDCA was below the radar, but it just got to big and was easily noticed. As far as the whole making-money issue. There's no other way to host a site with that much bandwidth usage for free. Sure there are alternatives, but nothing as stable as a website vs. peer-peer. It was fun while it lasted. I'll miss seeing the numerous submissions by lesser known artist who contributed. __________________ If you don't like my DVDs....I will fight you. FACEBOOK

06-16-04, 01:42 PM	#36
Vader42 New Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 5	Hi all, I have been with DVDCA for several years, and it has grown to be a major part of my DVD hobby. I despise snappers, digipacks, and just plain butt-ugly studio produced coverart (Real Genius, anyone?), and the incredible covers produced by Matt, DarthVong, Publis82, and too many others to name have given my library a great makeover. I have never uploaded a cover, as I have neither the tools nor the talent to contribute in that way,but I am only too happy to help defray the cost of providing these services via the credit system Matt came up with. That way everyone shares in the enjoyment of our favorite source of debt....:-). As was stated earlier in this thread, the studios are really shooting themselves in the foot. The packaging of the DVD can (and often does) influence whether or not I will buy. I avoid digipacks like the plauge, and snappers are not far behind. If I can print out custom artwork to replace either, then I am much more likely to take the bait. I would like to add my voice to those suggesting an "underground" network of sorts (maybe a password protected private site?), under the radar of the MPAA. This does have its own set of problems, however. If someone did rat DVDCA out, I would love nothing more than to hang him/her up by their toenails. Thing is, how do the powers that be (Matt & co I mean) know that I am not just as immature, spiteful, and egocentric? Whom does DVDCA trust with access to the site? Do they require extensive background checks? I suppose they could get some contractor to do the checks, but the DVDCA credit fee might go up just a tad bit.....:-). I agree in that this has nothing to do with potential piracy (another can of worms entirely), but everything to do with the MPAAs paranoia and heavy-handed legal positioning. I cannot state strongly enough how much I appriciate the efforts by so many talented artists at DVDCA, and feel this to be a huge blow to a community I have come to view as part of my extended family. I am sure that the DVD cover art community will continue to evolve, and I will be there right along with it. __________________ Vader "My opinion is that (a) anyone who actually works in a video store and does not understand letterboxing has given up on life, and (b) any customer who prefers to have the sides of a movie hacked off should not be licensed to operate a video player."-- Roger Ebert Louvre attendant: Sacre bleu! ze frame on ze Mona Lisa broke and ze only one left iz too small. Andre, bring me ze scissors! "This screen has been formatted to fit your movie."

06-16-04, 11:12 AM	#33
JLyon1515 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 468	I never understood why people don't just host images on a peer to peer file share...like bit torrent or something. It would eliminate the bandwidth issues.

06-16-04, 03:12 PM	#37
witchy1978 New Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9	This whole mess with dvdca is just crazy im am so upset about what is going there, as i know you guys are, but i wouldnt hang the towel yet,Im sure when matt gets everything worked out it will be back. (i hope) ok im done rambling now.

06-16-04, 03:19 PM	#38
pagansoul DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: I have always been here. Posts: 1,911	I'm glad I not only down-loaded DVD's I own but those I intend to own. Close to 300 (have about 30 credits left). Anyone working on the X-Files bonus disc that appears in most of the seasons? __________________ You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe. -- Marcus Cole, Babylon5 My Collection

06-16-04, 03:26 PM	#39
CanadianKnight Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 401	I think I have about 70 creds left... hope I get to use 'em! Gotta agree with DV though... it was only a matter of time. It's just too bad that some yahoo decided that he needed to ruin it for everyone. PS - Pagansoul, I love that B5 quote. One of the best lines ever. __________________ _____________________ C.K.

06-16-04, 04:04 PM	#41
Gore_Hound_X Guest Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The Morgue Posts: 341	Hopefully everything works out. I have been a (non-cover making) member of dvdca since matt was located at Reality Crash (that seems like decades ago) and watched the site evolve from a little page matt put up to the "mega-lo dvdca" we have/had today. I know the "new" site allowed for hundreds of new artist and an abundance of choices but I belive it all just got to "mainstream" I remember reading on a JoBlo.com about who "cool" dvdca was and thought then that the MPAA would swoop in but it was months before the "first shot" was fired by Lucass. I have to agree with the other members, the small intimate friendly old dvdcoverart ,where one could request and critique others covers in the forums and not get "Modded" to death, was the best of time. We might not have had as many artist, but we had the "Greats" Hopefully dvdca survives this, if not I guess it's back to converts of snappers/digi-paks and the few customs that the great artist of DVDTalk continue to churn out.

06-16-04, 06:44 PM	#42
JoeyOhhhh DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Unique New York Posts: 3,566	I hope everything works out as well, and I caught the thread over at DVDCA about the user who notified the MPAA about the site. That is really messed up thing to do regardless of how you are treated, and it seems downright childish. That said, I did have an idea about what can be done in the scenario that a central website cannot be achieved. Maybe a forum (outside of here and DVDCA) can be set up and can work out a trading system, and make up a list of good traders and bad, artist's work with threads, etc. __________________ My DVD and HD DVD Collection Hank Kingsley: People think of Hank Kingsley as just a meat & potatoes guy. You know a guy you can invite over for dinner..."Hey Hank, whaddya doing tonight? You want some dinner? C'mon over, we're having some meat & potatoes. What's that? You can't make it? You're busy? Whaddya doing? WELL I'M JUST FUCKING TWO WOMEN!

06-16-04, 10:00 PM	#44
Randy810 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: May 2000 Location: second star on the right and straight on to the morning Posts: 1,143	Make that 3!!!! __________________ Randy810"s collection

06-16-04, 10:55 PM	#45
Michael Corvin DVD Talk Hero Join Date: May 1999 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 32,062	Thanks for the love guys. Let me get the last two done and I will see what I can do. Mailing cd's is pretty cheap. Maybe I can just send out a bunch at my own cost every once in a while. Still debating though. __________________ Xbox Live: Sith Draven / PSN: SithDraven / Wii: 3497 1324 7344 6386 Now Playing: Overlord \| Recently Finished: Ghostbusters \| On Deck: Lego Rock Band Video Game Report Card: 2007 \| 2008 \| 2009 If the RIAA had their way, listening to music at all would be illegal. -Suprmallet

06-16-04, 11:10 PM	#46
JupiterPrime Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 543	Dont get caught Mike - hate to be a killjoy but be careful - should you happen to send the "wrong thing" to the "wrong person" by mail, thats all anyone would need to make a federal case out of it.

06-17-04, 09:03 AM	#48
Michael Corvin DVD Talk Hero Join Date: May 1999 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 32,062	but if it is something free, that I am sending friends... I don't know. You're probably right. I still don't see the big deal of all of this. __________________ Xbox Live: Sith Draven / PSN: SithDraven / Wii: 3497 1324 7344 6386 Now Playing: Overlord \| Recently Finished: Ghostbusters \| On Deck: Lego Rock Band Video Game Report Card: 2007 \| 2008 \| 2009 If the RIAA had their way, listening to music at all would be illegal. -Suprmallet

06-17-04, 09:53 AM	#50
JupiterPrime Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 543	Free or not - simply the fact that is was transported by Federal US mail by a Federal US employee using Federal US resources ... i think you get the picture - again - not trying to be a killjoy, but just trying to keep an eye out for ya Do I think theres a chance in hell anything like this could happen? highly doubtful - but just how well do you know ANYONE in ANY of these forums? I do trust a few people and some freinds I have made - but anyone who just happens to appear on the scene saying "Hey I love your stuff, can you include me as well?" Hell NO