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Mountain Biker
01-11-05, 11:30 PM
Click on link to see a pic of the original death scene. Damn just looking at it freaks me out! Anyone else seen this before? I know this wasn't shown in the shortened documentary on the CE DVD, but what about the full 2 hour Doc on the laserdisc? Any mention of it?


http://jawsmoviearchives.com/del2_main.html

FinkPish
01-11-05, 11:43 PM
Looks cool, but a bit too unsubtle, unlike the rest of the film.
I still prefer the version they ended up using in the film:

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/5869/jaws3zz.gif

wm lopez
01-12-05, 01:21 AM
I had the laserdisc boxset and don't recall seeing that.
It's creepy just looking at it.
Maybe they took that scene out to get the PG rating.

jeffkjoe
01-12-05, 01:40 AM
Trust me, that pic was DEFINITELY not in the laserdisc box set. I've seen those stills and the extended laserdisc documentary and it does not show that.


Good thing though --> Not showing the shark is a 100 TIMES scarier than shoving an all-too-obvious shark under our noses 1/3 into the movie.

My guess: Bruce looked too fake, so Spielberg resorted to the old 1st-person point of view.

Giantrobo
01-12-05, 02:14 AM
JAWS...still scary after all these years. :up:

devilshalo
01-12-05, 02:49 AM
My boy is dead. I wanted you to know that.

Rivero
01-12-05, 07:41 AM
"You knew there was a shark out there. You knew."

"Um...yeah. It's called the ocean, lady. Plenty of sharks live in it. Bitch."

:walks away:

Charlie Goose
01-12-05, 11:00 AM
"You knew there was a shark out there. You knew."

"Um...yeah. It's called the ocean, lady. Plenty of sharks live in it. Bitch."

:walks away:
rotfl

The death scene really got me as a kid, because Mrs. Kintner looked almost exactly like my mother.

dick_grayson
01-12-05, 11:04 AM
rotfl

The death scene really got me as a kid, because Mrs. Kintner looked almost exactly like my mother.


that's weird because a) it scared the shit out of me as a kid and b) it reminded me of my mother

that scene always made me feel horrible, for some reason. I even switch away when I'm watching it on tv.

obscurelabel
01-12-05, 11:18 AM
Are there any better uses of the old "zoom in, dolly out" or "Hitchcock zoom" effect? I know this has been used a hundred times or more since Hitchcock used it in Vertigo but this scene from Jaws seems to be the one that I remember as being the most effective. Others, anyone?

Hitchcock zoom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchcock_zoom)

digitalfreaknyc
01-12-05, 11:19 AM
Those pictures are REALLY small. They don't look like actual photos from the film but more like production photos. Is there a larger version?

dick_grayson
01-12-05, 11:21 AM
I thought Spielberg was the first to do it that way. he also was one of the first to use that edit as people walk by and it jumps closer and closer. It's clear how influenced he is by Hitchcock, as that technique was used in Rope .....among others. Spielberg really does it beautifully, though.

Michael Corvin
01-12-05, 01:34 PM
Are there any better uses of the old "zoom in, dolly out" or "Hitchcock zoom" effect? I know this has been used a hundred times or more since Hitchcock used it in Vertigo but this scene from Jaws seems to be the one that I remember as being the most effective. Others, anyone?

Hitchcock zoom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchcock_zoom)

Event Horizon has a couple of good ones. I think 12 Monkeys had a decent one too, but I can't remember the scene.

Fanboy
01-12-05, 02:00 PM
Are there any better uses of the old "zoom in, dolly out" or "Hitchcock zoom" effect? I know this has been used a hundred times or more since Hitchcock used it in Vertigo but this scene from Jaws seems to be the one that I remember as being the most effective. Others, anyone?

Hitchcock zoom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchcock_zoom)

The old show Parker Lewis Can't Lose used the effect in almost every episode. I remembered asking my camera techniques teacher how it was done (I suspected some zoom/dolly combo) but he said they were probably just moving the scenery in the background. Like WTF?

I guess that's why he was teaching the intro course.

freudguy
01-12-05, 02:39 PM
I agree that less is more regarding seeing the shark but that picture is just damn creepy.

BuddyRevell
01-12-05, 02:40 PM
Damn That Is Freaky!!!!!!!!

Numanoid
01-12-05, 02:58 PM
I thought Spielberg was the first to do it that way.:confused: I assume you mean the first after Hitchcock?

dick_grayson
01-12-05, 02:58 PM
:confused: I assume you mean the first after Hitchcock?


yes.

Morf
01-12-05, 03:58 PM
Those pictures are REALLY small.

Yeah, don't you love the thumbnails that link to... thumbnails? WTF? -confused-

jeffkjoe
01-12-05, 07:44 PM
Actually, you CAN see the shark coming out of the water when Bruce bites down on Alex Kitner -

Watch for the shot RIGHT AFTER the shark's first person point of view coming up towards Alex's splashing legs - On the horizon, you can see the silhouette of the Great White turning (you see its dorsal fin REALLY clearly) as it comes up from under water, with the boy and the raft already in its mouth.

It's a shadow and hard to make out, but its there.


JAWS.

devilshalo
01-12-05, 08:17 PM
I never thought it was the dorsal fin turning.. I always thought it was a pectoral fin.

jeffkjoe
01-12-05, 09:20 PM
If I remember correctly, the shot in particular where you see Bruce -

-- the shark is turning clockwise - Alex and the raft are already in the shark's jaws, and first you see Bruce's right side fin and then you see the dorsal fin come out of the water, along with the raft and Alex's arm waving hysterically.

QuiGonJosh
01-13-05, 01:55 PM
Jaws, after 30 years, still the best damn movie ever made! :thumbsup:

jeffkjoe
01-13-05, 07:05 PM
Alex Kitner's death still haunts me.

The fact that they showed someone my age (at the time in 1975) getting killed - ripped apart and mauled - is just shocking.

devilshalo
01-13-05, 07:09 PM
Alex Kitner's death still haunts me.

The fact that they showed someone my age (at the time in 1975) getting killed - ripped apart and mauled - is just shocking.

Why not? It was only rated PG. ;)

Dr. DVD
01-13-05, 08:11 PM
Any larger pics? I can't make out what's happening other than that Bruce was way more visible in the pics.

Mountain Biker
01-13-05, 11:31 PM
Yeah, I don't know why those thumbs are so small either. Upon doing some research, the large pic came from an issue of LIFE (?!) magazine that had a big article on the movie. I'm sure the actual photo wasn't in a blue tint either.

I wonder why there was no mention of this on the dvd. If a new version is released I sure hope it will include some info on the scene with some nice color stills.

Mountain Biker
01-14-05, 12:42 AM
Here's the actual pics from the Life magazine:

http://www.jawscollector.com/magazines-Newspapers/Magazines/life3460.jpg

http://www.jawscollector.com/magazines-Newspapers/Magazines/life2459.jpg

Giantrobo
01-14-05, 12:53 PM
They could've shot it similar to how that coach got killed. You know the one who put the Brody's kid out of the way when the shark swam by with him in his mouth? We see the shark approaching underwater with its mouth open after tipping the guys's boat. The shot is from above and the shark is swimming on it's side then we see him grab the coach and sink deeper. :eek:

That was another scene that freaked me out something rotten.

dick_grayson
01-14-05, 12:58 PM
They could've shot it similar to how that coach got killed. You know the one who put the Brody's kid out of the way when the shark swam by with him in his mouth? We see the shark approaching underwater with its mouth open after tipping the guys's boat. The shot is from above and the shark is swimming on it's side then we see him grab the coach and sink deeper. :eek:

That was another scene that freaked me out something rotten.

he was a coach? where'd you get that from? was he wearing a whistle or something? I always thought he was just a dude in a boat. Maybe it's from the book....

devilshalo
01-14-05, 01:30 PM
Here's the actual pics from the Life magazine:

http://www.jawscollector.com/magazines-Newspapers/Magazines/life3460.jpg

http://www.jawscollector.com/magazines-Newspapers/Magazines/life2459.jpg

Glad we didn't see these as it's out of continuity with that scene. Kintner is shown kicking and paddling right before the attack. Also makes the Kintner boy look as big as Quint.

Michael Corvin
01-14-05, 03:46 PM
It just isn't subtle. With the big shot of the shark, everyone would freak at once. In the actual scene it is a gradual change. One peson sees it and they freak, 2-3 see her and freak, and so on. It would just totally change the dynamics of the scene. Not to mention the whole film. You don't really see the big guy to the end.

Comics
01-14-05, 08:31 PM
Are there any better uses of the old "zoom in, dolly out" or "Hitchcock zoom" effect? I know this has been used a hundred times or more since Hitchcock used it in Vertigo but this scene from Jaws seems to be the one that I remember as being the most effective. Others, anyone?

I've always liked the one in Goodfellas. It's a much slower version than the traditional Vertigo/Jaws speed that we see. It's the scene when Liotta and DeNiro are sitting in the restaurant near the end of the movie and Liotta thinks that DeNiro is setting him up to get whacked in Florida. It's much more subtle, but very good.

Rival11
01-14-05, 08:33 PM
That's cool and all but I still like Open Water better

QuiGonJosh
01-14-05, 09:09 PM
That's cool and all but I still like Open Water better

-screwy- :hscratch: :mad: :johnwoo:

jeffkjoe
01-14-05, 09:48 PM
That's cool and all but I still like Open Water better



What?

You're entitled to your own opinion, but I think that's just plain wacky!

Rival11
01-15-05, 06:45 PM
Sorry guys, I couldn't resist ;) at least you were nice to me.