Van Halen - Summer Tour !?!?

[bfrank]

Just heard this on the radio!

Its with Sammy

http://www.955klos.com/viewentry.asp?ID=297437&PT=onaircrew

[Rogue588]

Now if only WB would continue with the remasters, this would be a GREAT summer..

[Lara Means]

At this point I'd take either Dave or Sammy as lead singer. I sure as hell will be at this summer tour.

[KnightLerxst]

I hope this is true. It is also about time they put out Best of Volume II.

[nodeerforamonth]

Originally posted by bfrank
Its with Sammy


Then it's not Van Halen.

[benedict]

Deep Purple
Iron Maiden
Rush

etc. etc.

[Scorpio]

Originally posted by nodeerforamonth
Then it's not Van Halen.

:rolleyes:

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by benedict
Deep Purple
Iron Maiden
Rush

etc. etc.

WHOA! Don't put Rush with Deep Purple and Van Halen, Rush isn't on a renunion tour!

[benedict]

Originally posted by Lateralus
WHOA! Don't put Rush with Deep Purple and Van Halen, Rush isn't on a renunion tour! <i>Different</i> common factor ;)

[Cyberock]

I think this is great news. I went to the last tour they did with Sammy and it was a great concert. I also went to the one afterwards, not so good. I went to see David Lee Roth on his last tour, he just doesn't have it anymore. I think they made the best choice by going with Sammy again. Looking forward to seeing them this summer.

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by benedict
<i>Different</i> common factor ;)

Yeah i figured thats what you meant but it still gives me the heebie jeebies to have Rush compared to Van Halen! (no offense to all you Van Halen fans)

[TheMadMonk]

I love it when bands break up, then trash talk the other members, then proceed to watch their record sales tank, then realize that maybe the other guy wasn't such a jerk after all. Doesn't anyone besides me know how to hold a grudge anymore?

[bfrank]

riding greatest hits?

Its for real. There will be three new songs on the Best of Volume II.

They are playing tons of VH on the radio and running spots sayt

"Van Halen tour dates coming soon.............."


I am sick of the dave / sammy thing. They were different and bot great. I have seen every LA VH show including their first -eek-

I have seen this band over 25 time. I saw sam and daved tour also. They are just different. David is no longer the long haired high note hitting guy so I am fine with sammy. I would be fine with dave also. Just bring Eddie back!!!!!!

:D

Best news in a long time!!

:up:

[Lara Means]

Originally posted by Cyberock
I went to see David Lee Roth on his last tour, he just doesn't have it anymore.

I couldn't disagree more. I went to see David Lee Roth twice last year. Once on the Roth/Hager tour then Dave did a club tour. Both shows he was terrific and his band played real tight. Yes, David is one ugly bastard and he dresses like its still in the 80s, but he put on a hell of a performance. He still has his voice and his stage presence.

[POWERBOMB]

^I agree and he knows what the people came to hear and he doesn't disappoint.

[KnightLerxst]

I wonder if the 3 new songs are just leftovers with Sammy doing new vocals...supposedly they were working on a new album before Gary left.

[nodeerforamonth]

I don't mind bands changing singers (AC/DC pulled it off), but Van Halen RADICALLY changed their sound after Sammy joined. They went completely wimpy with all the keyboards and ballads. To the rockers in the world, it was a big lose-lose situation, as VH was a thousand times better before Sammy (no keyboards and not too many wimpy ballads), and Sammy was a thousand times more rockin' before joining VH.

[TheMadMonk]

Originally posted by nodeerforamonth
I VH was a thousand times better before Sammy (no keyboards and not too many wimpy ballads)

I'm not the biggest VH fan, buy I know that "Jump" and "I'll Wait" both are very keyboard heavy, and are from the "Dave" years.

[nodeerforamonth]

Originally posted by TheMadMonk
I'm not the biggest VH fan, buy I know that "Jump" and "I'll Wait" both are very keyboard heavy, and are from the "Dave" years.

Yeah, but that's from "1984". That doesn't count. That's the exception to the rule. They put out 5 classic albums before that that weren't keyboard heavy.

I was hoping that since Sammy was a "rocker" that he would bring back VH to their greatness, but they became even more wimpy.

[benedict]

<b>nodeerforamonth</b> looking through your latest post what you seem to be saying is that Van Halen were in decline and that a new singer did not halt that decline in your eyes. I don't think that supports the contention that without Roth they aren't Van Halen.

I've read similar arguments about, say, Black Sabbath when Ronnie James Dio joined. OK, so they faded into near obscurity not many years after <i>his</i> departure but I still rate Heaven & Hell and Mob Rules higher than the final two Ozzy albums, Never Say Die and Technical Ecstasy.

My view is that although one can hark back to "classic" X or "true" Y that is more to do with time and chemistry: there is nothing to guarantee that putting together the original line-up would recreate those earlier times or that earlier chemistry.

And, looking at a band like Iron Maiden for example, what most people now would call the "classic" line up doesn't include the original singer with whom they recorded a couple of spectacular albums. For my part, I would never argue that bringing back Paul DiAnno would make for a better band but I do smile when some younger fans talked about the "original" band during the Bayley years.

[KnightLerxst]

5150 was the most synth heavy album...but it was still a great album.

After that they really were not that synth heavy...OU812 only had two synth tracks, Mine All Mine (great song), and Feels So Good.

Yeah the Sammy era did have a lot of ballads, but if you look around the rock world at the time that was the scene...every rock band was doing the power ballad thing in the mid to late 80s.

The band put out some solid stuff during those years, even if it wasn't the party rock that Dave era produced.

[cdollaz]

OU812 also had When It's Love, which has a lot of synth.

[KnightLerxst]

Originally posted by cdollaz
OU812 also had When It's Love, which has a lot of synth.

I knew I forgot one...eh ok 3 track out of the whole album...not that much.

[Flashback]

Originally posted by benedict
And, looking at a band like Iron Maiden for example, what most people now would call the "classic" line up doesn't include the original singer with whom they recorded a couple of spectacular albums. For my part, I would never argue that bringing back Paul DiAnno would make for a better band but I do smile when some younger fans talked about the "original" band during the Bayley years.

Or Clive Burr on drums (till Piece of Mind? not sure)...and I think Adrian Smith cam on the 2nd or 3rd album...

As far as VH...I have seen both lineups and I really dig the original, not the Hagar version (which I had seen a few times but....). Maybe it was the later VH songs (many songs of which I did not really like), also a couple of Hagar tunes on the set lists that turned me off at the concerts.

However many people loved the Hagar lineup and they will do fine...it's not a bad band by any means....just not what I really enjoyed from my past experience...and I will most likely pass on this show but I would love to see EVH play...tough call.

[nodeerforamonth]

Originally posted by benedict
<b>nodeerforamonth</b> looking through your latest post what you seem to be saying is that Van Halen were in decline and that a new singer did not halt that decline in your eyes. I don't think that supports the contention that without Roth they aren't Van Halen.

I've read similar arguments about, say, Black Sabbath when Ronnie James Dio joined. OK, so they faded into near obscurity not many years after <i>his</i> departure but I still rate Heaven & Hell and Mob Rules higher than the final two Ozzy albums, Never Say Die and Technical Ecstasy.

My view is that although one can hark back to "classic" X or "true" Y that is more to do with time and chemistry: there is nothing to guarantee that putting together the original line-up would recreate those earlier times or that earlier chemistry.

Sounds like we're in agreement.

Black Sabbath certainly rebounded from their downward spiral when Dio joined.

VH failed with Hagar because they went even wimpier with more keyboards and more ballads. They had potential to be one of the most rockin' bands ever.

[bfrank]

Failed? Seems a stretch to say that the Hagar years failed. Maybe its just not your thing.

My problem is almost all of us could or would be disappointed by a Dave tour because it can live up to the larger then life status we have in our hearts. I came away from the Sam/Dave tour knowing this. However with Sammy it is just like it was no ore no less.

I will also point out that Dave was getting pretty bad live with VH in the last two years. It got to the point where he "forgot the f-ing words" at the same place three nights a row. He became very predictable and favored jumping around over actually singing the songs.

Don’t get me wrong I would be just as stoked for either – just to have Eddie back! As I have said I have seen the band over 20 times and I feel good in saying for Eddie this is a better choice.

[Wannabe]

The first four VH albums were the best. Diver Down just plain sucked and I'll fight anyone that says otherwise. Whatever the last one with DLR was called, it had some good tunes despite the crappy synth.

While I never liked the Hagar version of the band, I can understand why some people liked it. My major beef with Van Halen is the way the band ****ed over Sammy when they put out that Best Of Album. They brought back Dave without letting Sammy know. Fortunately for Sammy's self-esteem, the two Dave tracks on the "Best Of" album were horrible.

I don't think they should try to resurrect the band, let it die with dignity.

[DVD Josh]

Originally posted by cdollaz
OU812 also had When It's Love, which has a lot of synth.

I love me some Best of Both Worlds. D/F#, G, D/F#, G, D/F#, G, A all day long!

[nodeerforamonth]

Originally posted by bfrank
Failed? Seems a stretch to say that the Hagar years failed. Maybe its just not your thing.

Exactly. They failed at ROCKING. Sales don't mean crap to me.

[Geofferson]

Originally posted by Wannabe
Diver Down just plain sucked and I'll fight anyone that says otherwise.
Hey, I'll pick a fight with you on this. ;) IMO, Diver Down was a fantastic album! I always equated it to Zeppelin III. Different, experimental, but good. Hang 'em High, Little Guitars, Big Bad Bill, Full Bug...what's not to like?
Originally posted by Wannabe
Fortunately for Sammy's self-esteem, the two Dave tracks on the "Best Of" album were horrible.
One was horrible. Me Wise Magic kicked ass - and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. :D

Now, back to the matter at hand...

I for one am stoked about a summer VH tour!!! Now, by VH, I do mean Van Haggar. I come from the school of thought that Van Halen was Roth. The VH music was drastically different post-Roth. Sans 1984, which was the start of the decline in the relationship between the Van Halen's and DLR (both parties wanted to take the music in opposite directions).

I've seen DLR's solo act 3 times now and have yet to be disappointed. He is the quintessential stage performer, hands-down. He knows what the audience wants and he always delivers. He can be criticized for his bubble gum, gong show-type antics, but again, he knows what the audience expects and that is the way he has always been. I think the fact that he still tries to live in the 80s is a great thing because for most VH fans, that is the VH they remember most.

[Wannabe]

Originally posted by Geofferson
I've seen DLR's solo act 3 times now and have yet to be disappointed. He is the quintessential stage performer, hands-down. He knows what the audience wants and he always delivers. He can be criticized for his bubble gum, gong show-type antics, but again, he knows what the audience expects and that is the way he has always been. I think the fact that he still tries to live in the 80s is a great thing because for most VH fans, that is the VH they remember most. [/B]

Well said.