Before I found out the system was "dead" I would burn games and then if I liked them, test them out then buy them if I liked them enough to buy them. Sort of like a free trial. However, now that I know they won't be making any more systems and will stop making games within the next 18 months I don't care. I feel there's no use in buying games to support a system that's dead. I'm going to build up a massive library of burned games.

<B>So what do you guys think? Is it bad to burn games for a system that's considered "dead"? Will you be burning games to build up a library of DC games?</B>

Just wondering, but how many games did you actually end up buying (not counting games you bought before you started burning)?

How the hell do I burn DC games?

2 - Power Stone 1 and 2. I threw out a whole bunch too - Sega GT, Ferarri, 18 Wheel Trucker among others. No point in keeping a burned game I'm not going to play.

[Edited by Nosebleed on 02-25-01 at 08:58 PM]

It's not allowed to discuss such things in this forum.

(deleted info that can be easily found elsewhere. We do not allow information on how to pirate software to be posted on DVDtalk, randyc)

[Edited by randyc on 02-25-01 at 10:48 PM]

Be honest, did you really destroy a blank CD you paid for?

I am! I buy them in large numbers and they only cost me $1 per CD so why not? When you rent a game it costs $5 (in Canada) and you only keep it for a few days. Why's it hard to believe I'd throw out a $1 CD for a game I don't like? You make it sound like I set fire to or break every CD I burn and don't like in half. All I do is toss it in the garbage, it ain't a big deal. :)

[Edited by Nosebleed on 02-25-01 at 10:38 PM]

Hell yeah I love burning games. If a game is seriously worth $40-50 I'll buy it, but there's not many out there. Most games have gameplay that turns boring within a few hours of playing.

But now that you know the system is dead and supporting it by buying games won't help, would you still pay for a game if you really liked it?

Hell no, my standards are way too high for me to ever pay for a game. ;) ;)

I'm all for it as long as you are willing to pay for a game you feel deserves it. Lord knows burning has saved me from buying such greats as "Evil Dead" and "Giga Wing 2" (waaaaay too short). It has, though, driven me to buy Virtua Tennis, Vanishing Point, Street Fighter III, Capcom Vs SNK, etc etc.

Yes, it is technically illegal, but just like Napster, I feel that it will open up consumers to things they would never have thought they'd like.

Know what I think about burning games? Bam! Knockdown #1. Bam! Knockdown #2. Bam! Knockdown #3. It's a TKO! TKO Thomas.

Burning a Dreamcast game is just as bad and illegal as burning a PSX/PS2 game. Whether or not the system is "dead" (and technically it's not....LOTS of games are still coming out and there are still Dreamcasts to be sold) Sega still makes money off of the games, and burning one would be just like swiping one off the shelf. It's not like SNES games where Nintendo doesn't profit from them anymore, thus I have absolutely no problems with d/ling a rom.

I know burning your own Smashpack was a big deal for awhile. The only system I ever traded CD-Rs to people with was the 3DO and that was years after it died. If the system is truly dead and there is no new software coming out I don't see that its such a bad deal. I always think back to the people who were unable to get games like Lucienne's Quest for the 3DO or Panzer Dragoon Saga and House of the Dead for the Saturn. There were only a few thousand copies made of these games and its kind of unfair that people who wanted to get it were left out or are expected to pay $100+ on ebay for a copy. Piracy in this situation doesn't bother me. True game collectors like myself want the complete original game anyway, so CD-Rs of old games doesn't really hurt the value of the originals.

One other note about piracy. Don't you think that the game publishers are partly to blame for this problem? Look at all the crappy software that is released every year. 75% of the playstation games should probably have never made it out of the development stage. Yet companies like 989 studios and Acclaim release this crap with a big media blitz and people go out and buy it only to be sadly disapointed when they take it home and play it.

Many stores won't take the games back, so you end up being stuck with a crappy $40-$50 game that you can maybe get $10 for by trading it in. I know a few people that started buying the cheap $2-$5 CD-Rs on the internet for this reason. They were tired of getting burned by bad games.

However, I still don't agree with piracy on an active system. It just increases prices for those of us that do buy our games legally. I would like to see game publishers held responsible for the software they release though. Companies like Acclaim, Midway, 989 Studios, etc have gotten away with cheating customers for way too long.

I agree, when there's a game that is extremely rare (due to the company's fault, such as them making only a few thousand copies of PDS) and when the game is extremely expensive because of, well, the greed of the owners, then I think it's okay and it won't hurt the company who made it. But still, even when a system isn't selling any more units and there are only a trickle of games coming out, pirating games for that system still hurts the company. Hell, the Neo Geo is "dead" pretty much, but NG emulation, as opposed to actually buying the system, still hurts SNK (although I admit to using NG emulation...there's no way in hell I'd ever get a Neo Geo).

When you buy a bad game, that's your fault. Read a review, rent it, borrow it, whatever....but pirating a game because it sucks and you can't sell it back is no excuse. However, pirate all the AckLame games you want....to hell with them.:D

Anyone notice TKOThomas's memeber id thing is banned. That's pretty cool. As far as burned games, I choose not to get into this discussion, but people who know me know the answer to this.

Here is a lists of Dreamcast games that can burned on cd that came out in the past 5-6 months. Did I d/l any of these games I plead the 5th. ;)

1. King of Fighters: Dream Match 99 - Usa
2. Lake Masters Pro - Jpn
3. Resident Evil 2 - Eur
4. Wetrix Plus - Usa
5. Shangri La - Jpn
6. Shanghai Dynasty - Jpn
7. Hello Kitty Magicalblock - Jpn
8. Sega GT - Usa
9. Ganbare Nippon Olympics 2000 - Jpn
10. Virtua Tennis - Usa
11. Deep Fighter - Usa
12. Capcom VS. SNK: Millenium Fight 2000 - Jpn
13. Grand Theft Auto 2 - Usa
14. Dino Crisis - Jpn
15. Vampire Chronicles - Jpn
16. Blue Stinger - Jpn
17. Carrier - Usa
18. Tetris 4D = Jpn
19. Caesars Palace 2000 - Usa
20. Bangai-O - Eur
21. Eldorado Gate Vol1 - Jpn
22. Animaster - Jpn
23. Frogger 2 - Usa
24. Sega Marine Fishing - Usa
25. 18 Wheeler: American Pro Trucker - Jpn
26. Space Griffon - Jpn
27. Jet Set Radio - Jpn
28. Socerian: Apprentice of Seven Star Magic - Jpn
29. Plasma Sword
30. NFL Quarterback Club 2001 - Usa
31. Flag To Flag CART Racing - Usa
32. Mortal Kombat Gold *WITH CDDA* - Usa
33. Sega Extreme Sports - Eur
34. Star Wars Episode I: Jedi Power Battles - Usa
35. Samba De Amigo - Usa
36. Pen Pen Trilcelon - Usa
37. Dead or Alive 2 Limited Edition - Jpn
38. House Of The Dead 2 - Jpn
39. Soul Fighter - Eur
40. Ferrari F355 Challenge - Usa
41. San Francisco Rush 2049 - Usa
42. World Neverland 2 - Jpn
43. NFL Blitz 2001 - Usa
44. Maken X - Usa
45. Bust A Move 4 - Usa
46. South Park Rally - Usa
47. UnderCover Cop 2045 - Usa
48. RayBlade - Jpn
49. F1 World Grand Prix *WITH CDDA* - Usa
50. Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2 - Usa
51. Hoyle Casino - Usa
52. NBA Showtime: NBA On NBC - Usa
53. Rent A Hero - Jpn
54. The Ring - Usa
55. Tokyo Highway Battle 2 - Jpn
56. Marrionette Handler - Jpn
57. MTV Skateboarding - Usa
58. Napple Tales Arsia in Daydream - Jpn
59. Spawn: In The Demon's Hand - Usa
60. Quake III Arena - Usa
61. Urban Chaos - Usa
62. Spec Ops: Omega Squad - Usa
63. Quake 1 - Usa
64. Test Drive Le Mans - Eur
65. Roommate Novel - Jpn
66. Ready 2 Rumble: Round 2 - Usa
67. Demolition Racer: No Exit - Usa
68. Heisei Mah Jong Villa - Jpn
69. Marionette Company - Jpn
70. Marionette Company 2 - Jpn
71. Wrestling Fighting Spirit 4 - Jpn
72. Jet Coaster Dream - Jpn
73. Netto de Para - Jpn
74. 4x4 Evolution - Usa
75. Metropolis Street Racer - Eur
76. Jet Grind Radio - Usa
77. Silent Scope - Usa
78. Army Men Sarge's Heroes - Usa
79. Looney Tunes Space Race - Eur
80. Maximum Pool - Usa
81. Mars Matrix - Jpn
82. Silver - Usa
83. Capcom VS. SNK - Millenium Fight 2000 - Usa
84. Shenmue - Usa (3 cd's)
85. Cannon Spike - Usa
86. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 - Usa
87. GunBird 2 - Usa
88. Super Runabout: San Francisco Edition - Usa
89. Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike - Usa
90. Buzz Lightyear of Star Command - Usa
91. Sonic Shuffle - Usa
92. Star Command - Usa
93. Dino Crisis - Usa
94. Chicken Run - Usa
95. 102 Dalmatians: Puppies to the Rescue - Usa
96. Ms. Pac-Man Maze Madness - Usa
97. Resident Evil 3: Nemesis - Usa
98. Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX - Usa
99. Rainbow Six Rogue Spear - Usa
100. F1 World Grand Prix II - Usa
101. Sega Tetris - Jpn
102. ESPN NBA 2 Night - Usa
103. Moho - Jpn
104. Aero Dancing F Fight Online - Jpn
105. Maboroshi - Jpn
106. Redline Racer - Jpn
107. Star Wars Demolition - Usa
108. Dinosaur - Usa
109. Sno-Cross Championship Racing - Usa
110. Q Bert - Usa
111. Rival Schools 2: Burning Justice Academy - Usa
112. Starlancer - Usa
113. Tomb Raider Chronicles - Usa
114. Prince of Persia: Arabian Nights - Usa
115. POD Speedzone - Usa
116. Sakura Wars II - Jpn
117. Dancing Blade - Jpn
118. Tricolore Crise - Jpn
119. Daytona USA 2001 - Jpn
120. Bassrush Dream - Jpn
121. Lack of Love - Jpn
122. Pop'n Music 2 - Jpn
123. Phantasy Star Online *MULTILANG* - Jpn
124. Samba De Amigo Version 2000 - Jpn
125. Blue Submarine No.6: Time and tide - Jpn
126. KAO The Kangaroo - Eur
127. Super Producer - Jpn
128. PowerSmash Tennis - Jpn
129. Donald Duck Quack Attack - Eur
130. Grandia II CD1 - Usa
131. Grandia II CD2 - Usa
132. The Grinch - Usa
133. Aqua GT - Eur
134. Kiss Psycho Circus - Usa
135. Tetris Online Edition - Usa
136. Evil Dead: Hail To The King - Usa
137. Guilty Gear X - Jpn
138. Red Dog - Usa
139. NBA2K - Usa
140. NFL2K - Usa
141. NBA2K1 - Usa
142. NFL2K1 - Usa
143. Speed Devils Online Racing - Usa
144. Eldorado Gate Volume 2 - Jpn
145. Sno-Cross Championship Racing - Usa
146. Who Wants To Beat Up A Millionaire? - Usa
147. Next Tetris Online Edition W/CDDA - Usa
148. DreamSNes v0.9.3 With 180 Roms Cd1- Usa
149. DreamSNes v0.9.3 With 180 Roms Cd2 - Usa
150. ECW Anarchy Rulz - Usa
151. Max SteelCovert Missions - Usa
152. Mr Diller with/Cdda - Usa
153. King of Fighters Evolution - Usa
154. BANG! Gunship Elite - Usa
155. Sega GT - European Edition - Usa
156. Kiss CDDA Addon - Usa
157. Metropolis Street Racer Repack - Usa
158. Test Drive V-Rally - Usa
159. Vanishing Point - Usa
160. Toy Racer - Eur
161. Sonic Adventure 2 - The Trial - Jpn
162. Shinshi Dash - Jpn
163. Dancing Blade Katteni Momotenshi 2 - Jpn
164. Charge N' Blast - Jpn
165. Fighting Vipers 2 - Jpn
166. Prince of Persia: Arabian Nights *REPACK* - Usa
167. Giga Wing 2 - Jpn
168. Super Street Fighter 2 X - Jpn
169. F1 Racing Championship - Eur
170. The Typing of The Dead - Usa (need keyboard)
171. Uefa Dream Soccer - Eur
172. Who Wants to be a Millionaire - Usa
173. Record of Lodoss War - Eur
174. Surf Rocket Racer - Eur
175. Metropolis Street Racer - Usa
176. Charge 'N Blast - Usa
177. Draconus: Cult of The Wyrm (2 cd's) - Usa
178. Neo Geo Emulator Roms
179. Game Boy Emulator Roms
180. Grandia II Repack (2 cd's) - Usa
181. Dave Mirra Freestyle w/cdda - Usa
182. Grand Theft Auto II - Usa
183. Hundred Swords - Jpn
184. Iron Aces - Usa
185. NBA Hoopz - Usa
186. Phantasy Star Online - Usa
187. Sega Smash Pack Complete Genesis Collection - Usa
188. Sega Smash Pack Complete Genesis Collection - Usa
189. Sega Smash Pack Complete Genesis Collection - Usa
190. The Millenium Pack 1 - Jpn
191. Cho Hatsumei Boy Kanipan - Jpn
192. Pro Yaku Team - Jpn
193. Macross M3 - Jpn
194. Sakura Wars Hanagumi Mailer - Jpn
195. The Rhapsody of Zephvr - Jpn

<b>Kahuna</b> :cool:

Ah, you have a few more than I do :P. No sense in getting those weird japanese games I don't understand how to play.

A lot fo the Japanese games are easy to play. Although I have a few like Rent A Hero that are impossible to play without a walkthrough

I will cast no stones but it is funny to me people that have no problem burning music but games are off limit. To me to copy is to copy should not matter what it is. :)

I do not like the concept of burning games. I do not think it is an issue if you use this to try out a game. The problem is that how do you really control this. I guess people have to decide what there own limits are then live within them.

I have a few MP3's that a friend downloaded for me. I owned almost all of them on cd already. I just had no interest in converting them to mp3's myself (lazy huh :) ).one group that i did not own i have since bought their cd because i really liked the music and feel they should get something for that.

Is it okay to burn games for a dead sytem?

Or maybe the system is partially dead because people were burning the games...