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Old 12-17-21, 06:41 PM
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Re: Analogue Pocket - FPGA handheld (GB, GBC, GBA, GG, NGPC, Lynx, more) - 2020 - $199

They raised the price by 20 bucks. It was 200 plus shipping when they initially had preorders (the ones shipping now) and the new preorders are 219.99:

https://store.analogue.co/#pocket

If I didn't have like a ton of GB and GBA games still in my closet I probably would have passed, because I've heard the prices have just skyrocketed since the pandemic hit.
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Yeah, prices on old game cartridges are ridiculous. I'm not going to lie, I have a handful of old cartridges, but I bought this with an eye on the inevitable jailbreak firmware.
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Old 12-22-21, 12:17 AM
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Re: Analogue Pocket - FPGA handheld (GB, GBC, GBA, GG, NGPC, Lynx, more) - 2020 - $199

Why jailbreak it? I thought the whole point was FPGA emulation. If you wanted software emulation there are a lot of cheaper alternatives.
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My understanding is that you can still get the accurate FPGA emulation with the hardware, the desire is to do so while reading the game/ROM off an sd card instead of a physical cartridge.
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Re: Analogue Pocket - FPGA handheld (GB, GBC, GBA, GG, NGPC, Lynx, more) - 2020 - $199

Really? Wow that's kind of trippy to me.
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Re: Analogue Pocket - FPGA handheld (GB, GBC, GBA, GG, NGPC, Lynx, more) - 2020 - $199

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Really? Wow that's kind of trippy to me.
A cartridge is literally a piece of plastic with a rom on it. The jailbreak just allows the rom to be loaded off an SD card.

There are flash carts that function the same way except they are actual cartridges that hold multiple roms. No jailbreak needed for that, although there have been compatibility issues with some of them on the early firmware. It they get those compatibility issues fixed, I might buy one.
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Re: Analogue Pocket - FPGA handheld (GB, GBC, GBA, GG, NGPC, Lynx, more) - 2020 - $199

There are a handful of exceptions; cartridges that have extra hardware inside them that cannot be captured by a rom dump, but yes, 99.9% of the cartridges are just a board with a rom chip that stores the game. It's one reason why 'reproduction' and/or 'bootleg' cartridges are such a problem for collectors who want real cartridges. They're seemingly identical to an original cartridge, but when you open them up (as you should for any 'rare' game that you're paying good money for), you'll see that they're cheap remanufactured copies instead of original production carts.


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Re: Analogue Pocket - FPGA handheld (GB, GBC, GBA, GG, NGPC, Lynx, more) - 2020 - $199

Isn't the ROM basically what's on the cart, and whatever emulator you run on your Pi or computer is what emulates the old hardware so the game will play, right? So I think this is just a hardware emulator taking the place of the software emulator you'd usually use. Though I'm not 100% sure or anything.
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Re: Analogue Pocket - FPGA handheld (GB, GBC, GBA, GG, NGPC, Lynx, more) - 2020 - $199

True. FPGA is used for hardware emulation, which is arguably better or more accurate than software emulation (which has come a long way!)
That's why the hardware companies like Analogue don't like to call it 'emulation'. Part of that is marketing, but part is that, if they've done their job right, the performance can and should be undeniably better than anything software can do.
Arguably.
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Re: Analogue Pocket - FPGA handheld (GB, GBC, GBA, GG, NGPC, Lynx, more) - 2020 - $199

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A cartridge is literally a piece of plastic with a rom on it. The jailbreak just allows the rom to be loaded off an SD card.

There are flash carts that function the same way except they are actual cartridges that hold multiple roms. No jailbreak needed for that, although there have been compatibility issues with some of them on the early firmware. It they get those compatibility issues fixed, I might buy one.
I guess that's why it's still emulation? I get that the cartridge (in most cases) is just supplying the ROM for the game but in the original hardware that was read directly off of the cartridge and on the CPU/GPU etc. Or was it stored locally on the system to play off of? So if FPGA can read it off of the card there's still some software emulation involved? Or does it just read it directly with the hardware?
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I guess that's why it's still emulation? I get that the cartridge (in most cases) is just supplying the ROM for the game but in the original hardware that was read directly off of the cartridge and on the CPU/GPU etc. Or was it stored locally on the system to play off of? So if FPGA can read it off of the card there's still some software emulation involved? Or does it just read it directly with the hardware?
I'm by no means an expert, but I think original systems read directly off the cartridge. The cartridges acted, in essence, like an extension of the system's hardware. I don't believe the ROMs were dumped into memory.

How exactly the fpga reads the ROM off the SD card I can not say. I would assume the ROM gets loaded onto some sort of "virtual cartridge" which the fpga hardware then accesses. So yeah, there is stuff happening at the software level. The whole point though is that physical cartridge or digital ROM file, the fpga is (in theory) running the game software exactly as the original hardware would.
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