Obi-Wanma

Is the hard drive smaller on the digital version? If not, this comment doesn't really make sense. All the games full install to the hard drive, whether there is a disc or not. The disc only exists to serve as proof that you own the game. It's literally not used for anything else while the game is running. The only thing it saves you is download time.

stingermck

Cool, now I need some info to drop about game sharing. Is it possible on PS5 and can you still have access to PS4 games that were shared. My best friend and bought and shared countless games this gen.

fujishig

You will be able to play your PS4 physical disks on it, though, right? But yes everything installs on the hard drive, even in the current gen, because it just takes too long to pull of of the disk every time.

Obi-Wanma

I'm going to pre-order a PS5 and give the kids my PS4. Tired of them using it for dumb crap like Minecraft and Fall Guys when I want to play, lol.

Obi-Wanma

Yes.

fujishig

So confirmed that Sony titles will also get up to the "new" 69.99 pricepoint (not all of them, though):

Groucho

What time tomorrow do pre-orders start? That's the important detail.

Michael Corvin

True, but no extra cost is a good sign.

fujishig

What time are you going to be away from your computer tomorrow? Because then.

Groucho

Oh, so same time as every other console launch. Gotcha!

DJariya

Not true. NBA 2K and Madden don’t work without the disc in the drive. Yes even after you install all the files. If you try to play it, it will prompt you for the disc.

My comment from my own personal experience is that you can’t really just load up on a shit load of digital titles because you’re going to run out of space not counting system files. I loaded up on like 15 or 20 PS plus titles in addition to games I own on disc that have huge files on the drive. I ended up getting warnings that I couldn’t update any games because I was running out of space. And I have a 2TB drive in my PS4. So I had to delete practically all my PS plus titles.

Groucho

I buy almost all my games digitally on a PS4 with the stock 500gb drive. I just delete the titles I'm not playing.

Dan

That's because the disc is only used for proving that you own the title you're trying to play. That's it.

edit: I should add... the disc is used for installing the main game and for proving you own the title. But the minute there's a big patch, you're stuck with a 40 GB download anyway.

fujishig

I don't think you understand what he's saying.

If you buy physical, you need the disk in the drive, but all it's doing is verifying that you bought a physical copy, otherwise the entire game loads onto the hard drive. Compare a completely digital install with an install from a physical disk, they should be exactly the same. If you buy 10 physical games and load them up they still take up the space of those same games digitally.

As an aside, both systems had this really weird way of updating titles that required you basically have double the space of the entire game if you wanted to apply a patch, which has supposedly been done away with (so if the patch is only like 30 megs, that's all the space you need, not the entire game + 30 megs).

Obi-Wanma

Every physical PS4 game doesn't work without the disc in the drive, but they all play 100% from the hard drive. It only prompts you for the disc to confirm that you still have it. If you want to play it without the disc, you have to buy the digital release, but what's installed on your hard drive is exactly the same as what you get from a download.

The Questyen

No shit. Don't download a ton of games all at once and instead download them when you plan on playing them. Problem solved.

Dan

Someone else can correct me, but didn't installing the complete game onto the HDD start with the PS3, even? I recall every game having to install, but I don't remember if any of the content would still play from the disc, or if it was all playing from the HDD at that point.

DJariya

Okay makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. I’m not as savvy as some of you on how the tech works. I just assumed the disc still has a purpose like the old days aside from just ownership and copyright purposes.

fujishig

I don't think games did this by default in the PS3 era, although some games downloaded the vast majority of the textures and whatnot for fast access.

As an aside, do we even know what size of HDD is in these things?

Obi-Wanma

PS3 was the first generation to start installing stuff to the hard drive, but there were a lot of games that did still play from the disc, to varying degrees.

Dan

825GB on the PS5 (both versions)
1TB on the Series X
500GB on the Series S

However, the PS5 SSD is of a faster speed of some sort.

DJariya

Hmmm maybe I will get the digital version then. The drive also serves to play 4K discs correct? I don’t really need another 4K disc drive as I already own a 4K BD player.

However, if the system is backwards compatible with PS4, then you need a drive obviously. I don’t want to dump all my PS4 games.

Adam Tyner

Also, controllers are $70 this gen.

fujishig

The Dualsense controller will be 69.99

Demon's Souls and Destruction All Stars are also 69.99

Miles Morales is 49.99 with a 69.99 ultimate edition that includes the original game

Sackboy is 59.99 (sorry Sackboy, there is 0 chance I'm buying you at full price)

I don't know what games used to cost in EU but I feel like those guys are getting screwed. 79.99 Euros is like 93 bucks.

Deftones

Appears to be the placeholder on Amazon (disc version):