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Schloob1 10-21-16 07:30 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12927927)
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think this was a bad idea, and that it will flop.

Nintendo is calling this their next "Home Console", but they've done everything to untether it from the home, and reduce it's appeal as a home console compared to competitor, not to mention how it's severely underpowered compared to the competition, which is what hurt them with the WiiU.

It's gimmick is it's portability, but look at that thing, it's not that portable. That's not a system you can easily carry around with you. It's mostly portable to another room. Portables skew young, but this is going to be an expensive piece of kit compared to other portable devices.

As a home console: It's underpowered and requires accessories to game on comfortably.

As a portable: It's big and expensive and might have poor battery life compared to other portables.

Outside of the few Nintendo property games, I'm not seeing the mass-appeal here Nintendo needs.

??? And you've already held the controller for this so you know it's comfort level, cool.

Now when you say requires accessories, what exactly do you mean then? That you need the pro controller to game on in order to game comfortably? I am curious to see how the joy-cons attached to that docking controller that will assuredly come with the system feels since that will most certainly come with the system. At least off the bat it would be nice to know whether I would have to buy a pro controller or that thing included would be alright. But I'm not going to assume it is uncomfortable to use with trying it out myself.

Someone posted a screen shot here, but it's looking like there are a ton of 3rd party developers for this. So the mass appeal could be had this time around compared to the WiiU.

RichC2 10-21-16 08:11 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
The way I see it, is this is replacing the need for:



.. okay maybe not

fujishig 10-21-16 08:24 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
Wait so is this thing going to have some kind of cell compatibility or something? It just struck me when they were playing what looked like NBA 2k, that game doesn't let you do jack without an internet connection.

Adam Tyner 10-21-16 09:42 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 12928273)
Wait so is this thing going to have some kind of cell compatibility or something?

Nintendo hasn't said yet. The speculation is that there'll be something along those lines.

Michael Corvin 10-21-16 10:33 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 12926935)
Are you not aware of all the mods people do to make consoles portable?

Dozens of people are now super happy. ;)


Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 12928064)
One of the folks whose leaks proved to be dead-on said that it's looking like 3 hours of battery life.

rotfl So it's worse than the WiiU and they want you to take it on the go? Bwahaha... come on Nintendo, wtf? iPads get 8-10 hours. If that rumor is even in the ballpark this thing doesn't stand a chance.


Originally Posted by Schloob1 (Post 12928235)
??? And you've already held the controller for this so you know it's comfort level, cool.

We did have four years of the WiiU. It's not that unreasonable of an assumption to think this won't be that comfortable.

Jeremy517 10-22-16 12:34 AM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
I don't even see how the controller could work. The analog sticks are directly above/below the buttons. Controllers normally have them offset so that you can just rotate your thumb to shift from analog stick to buttons and vice-versa. I don't see how you could shift from analog stick to buttons on this controller without completely changing your grip.

The pro controller appears to be the only usable controller.

Adam Tyner 10-22-16 07:10 AM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 12928329)
rotfl So it's worse than the WiiU and they want you to take it on the go? Bwahaha... come on Nintendo, wtf? iPads get 8-10 hours. If that rumor is even in the ballpark this thing doesn't stand a chance.

To be fair, when playing really graphics-intensive games, a few hours of play will pretty much wipe out an iPad too.

orangecrush 10-22-16 08:19 AM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12928049)
I'm hearing two to three hundred. That's expensive for a portable, especially since kids already play plenty of free games on their phones/tablets.

$300 isn't too expensive at all for a portable with a dock for home play. People drop $800 on a phone every couple of years and buy $500-$800 tablets too. Of course, if the thing proves to be on par with an amazon fire HD, that would be too expensive.



Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 12928064)
I share a lot of your concerns, but...
One of the folks whose leaks proved to be dead-on said that it's looking like 3 hours of battery life.

3 hours isn't nearly long enough. Especially once you factor in the fact that the battery will lose capacity over time.

Schloob1 10-22-16 09:18 AM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 12928329)
We did have four years of the WiiU. It's not that unreasonable of an assumption to think this won't be that comfortable.

I'll reserve judgement until I actually can try it out. Because while it does appear cumbersome, the "Grip"(this is what I saw somewhere is it's official name) has the same structure on it's sides like a Pro controller where your hands hold onto it.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1500_.jpg

Michael Corvin 10-22-16 11:43 AM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
I was referring to when it's attached to the screen like a WiiU tablet.

I do like the countour cut +/- buttons. Those are sexy. The white ABXY letters on the other hand are pretty boring and don't mesh with the color scheme.

The Questyen 10-22-16 11:57 AM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
I've spent 100's of hours using the Wii U tablet and never had any comfort issues with it.

The Questyen 10-22-16 12:00 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
Also love the number of posts complaining and arguing about battery life, comfort, specs when literally not a single thing has been announced other then that video.

Schloob1 10-22-16 12:58 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 12928520)
I was referring to when it's attached to the screen like a WiiU tablet.

I do like the countour cut +/- buttons. Those are sexy. The white ABXY letters on the other hand are pretty boring and don't mesh with the color scheme.

Slop101 though was specifically referring to how comfortable or not it would be as a home console, so I would assume he is talking about the "Grip" controller feels. Obviously none of us could know that really until we get to hold that configuration.

I would agree with you though as far as when portable, yes you can compare how it feels to the WiiU tablet most likely.

Schloob1 10-22-16 12:59 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by The Questyen (Post 12928534)
Also love the number of posts complaining and arguing about battery life, comfort, specs when literally not a single thing has been announced other then that video.

And unfortunately from sounds of it, Nintendo will not really be saying much more until at least the start of next year.

slop101 10-22-16 01:55 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Schloob1 (Post 12928556)
Slop101 though was specifically referring to how comfortable or not it would be as a home console, so I would assume he is talking about the "Grip" controller feels. Obviously none of us could know that really until we get to hold that configuration.

I would agree with you though as far as when portable, yes you can compare how it feels to the WiiU tablet most likely.

Going by history, Nintendo has never had a comfortable controller, at least in comparison to the newer Xbox and PS controllers.

Adam Tyner 10-22-16 01:58 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12928587)
Going by history, Nintendo has never had a comfortable controller, at least in comparison to the newer Xbox and PS controllers.

I sorta agree (admittedly, I spent less time with the N64 and SNES than probably everyone else here), but I love the Wavebird, and I don't have an issue with the Wii U pro controller (as far as comfort goes, anyway). I expected the Wii U controller gamepad to be an ergonomic nightmare, and it honestly felt pretty comfortable to me once I actually got my hands on one.

al_tag 10-22-16 01:59 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
So much salt in here...

For what it's worth, I showed the trailer to the high school video game design class that I teach. Afterwards we talked about it and I asked if anyone wanted one. 95% of their hands went up.

What were they most excited about? Skyrim.

mattysemo247 10-22-16 04:08 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by al_tag (Post 12928590)
What were they most excited about? Skyrim.

Obviously since this is the only system you can play it on

Mike86 10-22-16 04:42 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by al_tag (Post 12928590)
So much salt in here...

For what it's worth, I showed the trailer to the high school video game design class that I teach. Afterwards we talked about it and I asked if anyone wanted one. 95% of their hands went up.

What were they most excited about? Skyrim.

Yeah a lot of Debbie downers in here for sure. I know the Wii U left many people disappointed but I'm really hopeful that this will put Nintendo back on the upswing. I'd like some more information about the specs but I'm not going to sit back and speculate and criticize without knowing more information. As of now the ad impressed me and has me excited. Just wanting them to deliver.

DVDTalker76 10-22-16 05:07 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Going by history, Nintendo has never had a comfortable controller, at least in comparison to the newer Xbox and PS controllers
Are you kidding? Both the SNES and Gamecube pads have legions of devotees. Personal preference aside, this is ridiculous as a general statement.

fumanstan 10-22-16 05:20 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
I wouldn't call the complaints "salt" or people being downers - I imagine the level of interest in this sways towards those who were bigger fans of the 3DS and portable gaming versus those that don't. At least that's what i've gleaned from it.

slop101 10-22-16 05:33 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by wtsang (Post 12928689)
Are you kidding? Both the SNES and Gamecube pads have legions of devotees. Personal preference aside, this is ridiculous as a general statement.

No it's not a preference, but strait up objective fact. Only people who are Nintendo-blind would disagree, or as you call them, "devotees".
GC controller was way too small (I still have the Wavebird, and I can barely get my hand around the handles, and I don't have huge hands, both analog sticks suck for different reasons, the button layout is dumb and the digital pad blows), and the SNES isn't terrible, but it isn't exactly ergonomically designed either, cramping hands for generations.

Face it, Nintendo keeps trying to re-invent the wheel with each generation of controllers, but they keep falling on their face. I'll give them that they're trying to be innovative, but that doesn't mean they're successful.

I love most Nintendo franchises, but I've always hated their controllers.

Music 10-22-16 05:41 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
I had to buy aftermarket controllers that felt a lot better to me then what the 1st party created for the Sega Genesis to Dreamcast, Nintendo 64 (not sure Wavebird was good, or I also got an aftermarket version of that as well), PS2 and PS3.

The 360, One and PS4 controllers are all great.

Gamecube was decent, and I preferred the Pro controller for the Wii and Wii U.

Mike86 10-22-16 05:41 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 12928694)
I wouldn't call the complaints "salt" or people being downers - I imagine the level of interest in this sways towards those who were bigger fans of the 3DS and portable gaming versus those that don't. At least that's what i've gleaned from it.

I've always been more of a console gamer than a portable gamer but like that this does both. I'm not the biggest Nintendo devotee either but I do love their first party stuff. I feel like a lot of people are just willing to write them off because of past mistakes. Not just here but other places I've read people who seemingly are down on them for similar reasons. In fairness I think they've earned some criticism but I still think it's a bit early with this to start shitting on them.

fumanstan 10-22-16 05:49 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 12928703)
I've always been more of a console gamer than a portable gamer but like that this does both. I'm not the biggest Nintendo devotee either but I do love their first party stuff. I feel like a lot of people are just willing to write them off because of past mistakes. Not just here but other places I've read people who seemingly are down on them for similar reasons. In fairness I think they've earned some criticism but I still think it's a bit early with this to start shitting on them.

Or maybe the product just doesn't look that appealing to a lot of folks :shrug: If someone doesn't have much interest in portable functionality, this basically just ends up being another underpowered console from Nintendo, doesn't it?

I'm just saying it's easy to see why there's mixed reactions.


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