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slop101 12-07-16 12:17 PM

re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
My Wii (along with my wavebird) still plays GC games just fine.

The Questyen 12-07-16 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 12963941)
That is good news. The Gamecube was the last time we saw F-Zero & Waverace. It'll be good to play those again since they're aparently dead franchises to Nintendo. It was also home to the last good Zelda console and Mario Kart games as well.

Crazy talk. Mario Kart 8 is fantastic and I would never go back to the GameCube versions of Wind Waker or Twilight Princess having played through the remasters on Wii U which fixes both of their issues.

Adam Tyner 12-07-16 02:40 PM

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It's nice to know I'm not alone in appreciating Mario Kart: Double Dash! Honestly, that's the reason I bought a GameCube in the first place. Mario Kart Wii was pretty lousy, but I do agree that MK8 is top-shelf all the way, at least with the modes I like to play.

Super Mario Sunshine is the only mainline Mario game I've started and never finished, and I've had an itch to give it another shot over the past few years. (I dumped my copy on my father after giving him his own GameCube as a birthday gift, and he lost it ages ago.) I would've liked to have preferred a remaster to smoothen out its rougher edges a la Wind Waker, but...whatever.

If these rumors are true, presumably that means that unlike the Wii U, the Switch has analog triggers.

Breakfast with Girls 12-07-16 02:42 PM

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It seems to me that people are going to jeer Nintendo unless they release a console that is comparable to the Xbox One S or PS4 Pro. I think throwing another console onto the pile of indistinguishable black and white boxes would be a terrible decision. In my opinion they're pursuing the right strategy.

stingermck 12-07-16 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls (Post 12964121)
It seems to me that people are going to jeer Nintendo unless they release a console that is comparable to the Xbox One S or PS4 Pro. I think throwing another console onto the pile of indistinguishable black and white boxes would be a terrible decision. In my opinion they're pursuing the right strategy.

It worked so well last time! :)

slop101 12-07-16 02:57 PM

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There's also the fact that the U, controls aside, could play these Switch games just fine.

Adam Tyner 12-07-16 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12964135)
There's also the fact that the U, controls aside, could play these Switch games just fine.

To no greater an extent than the Xbox 360 and PS3 could play current-gen games just fine.

fumanstan 12-07-16 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls (Post 12964121)
It seems to me that people are going to jeer Nintendo unless they release a console that is comparable to the Xbox One S or PS4 Pro. I think throwing another console onto the pile of indistinguishable black and white boxes would be a terrible decision. In my opinion they're pursuing the right strategy.


Originally Posted by stingermck (Post 12964128)
It worked so well last time! :)

Yeah, on the flip side Nintendo has pursued the "different" strategy for the last two generations already and while it was a huge success initially for the Wii, it was a miserable last few years that seemed to continue with the Wii U.

I understand that competing head to head in power with MS/Sony isn't really feasible, but hopefully their roadmap is much better developed with the Switch then what we've seen in the past. They can overcome throwing money at gaming by leveraging a stronger strategy and the strength of their characters - I hope they can do it this time around, even if I personally don't care for the whole portable aspect.

slop101 12-07-16 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 12964166)
To no greater an extent than the Xbox 360 and PS3 could play current-gen games just fine.

If you look at GTA V on the PS3 vs the PS4, you'd see that you're greatly exaggerating.

And doesn't the Switch have pretty much the same graphical capabilities as the U, or far closer to it than that of the two last Sony/MS consoles are to each other.

fumanstan 12-07-16 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12964254)

And doesn't the Switch have pretty much the same graphical capabilities as the U, or far closer to it than that of the two last Sony/MS consoles are to each other.

I don't think anyone, publicly anyway, knows enough about the Switch's technical specs to properly answer that yet. Everything so far is just speculation based on what Nvidia has released in the past with their Tegra X1 (which is supposedly what's in the dev kit) and potential iterative upgrades since it's release, and I don't think i've seen any new rumors lately about what the final version will have.

That said, while there's more to performance then these figures like CPU architecture, memory bandwidth, and low level programming API's, here's the GPU comparison for reference (based on what I could find, could be wrong on one or two of these).

Wii U - 176 GFLOPS
Playstation 3 - 192 GFLOPS
Xbox 360 - 240 GFLOPS
Tegra X1 - 512 GFLOPS
Xbox One - 1.31 TFLOPS
Playstation 4 - 1.84 TFLOPS
Playstation 4 Pro - 4.2 TFLOPS
Xbox Scorpio - 6 TFLOPS

The Switch should at the very least be much more powerful then the Wii U just based on the Tegra X1 alone, in addition to other rumored improvements like twice the RAM and the CPU. I'd be surprised if the Switch is as powerful as the XB1/PS4 though, especially for the sake of battery life.

For reference the Snapdragon 820/821 that you see on high end cell phones today are around 520 GFLOPS too.

slop101 12-07-16 06:45 PM

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Ah. Thought I had read that since it's mostly portable, with it's own screen, it wouldn't push graphical capabilities far beyond the U.

Michael Corvin 12-07-16 07:21 PM

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Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued by the Switch but at this point it's all riding on Nintendo's name. Their core franchises are running on fumes for me.


Originally Posted by The Questyen (Post 12964088)
Crazy talk. Mario Kart 8 is fantastic and I would never go back to the GameCube versions of Wind Waker or Twilight Princess having played through the remasters on Wii U which fixes both of their issues.

All I said was last great Zelda game...or rather the last one that I enjoyed enough to finish. Remasters are still the same game with polish. I am mildly interested in Breath of the Wild if only because it's waggle free.

Mario Kart 8 has its moments but is full of flaws. Pretty sure I laid them all out in the MK thread, so no need to rehash. The hover was a nice change of pace, but overall the series just keeps getting worse.

fumanstan 12-07-16 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12964320)
Ah. Thought I had read that since it's mostly portable, with it's own screen, it wouldn't push graphical capabilities far beyond the U.

It still could be, but I think all that talk has still just been speculation on how Nintendo would balance performance with battery life when running as a portable unit. Without knowing the final specs it's hard to guess, especially with other factors like the apparent performance boost while being docked and things like the portable screen only being 720p.

The Wii U had pretty low specs and that was 3 years ago, i'd be surprised if it was still that level (especially since we have word that Dark Souls 3 was running on the Switch).

slop101 12-08-16 01:04 AM

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God, Fallon is insufferable.

Adam Tyner 12-08-16 03:39 AM

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Wow, I was dead certain that Nintendo would maintain radio silence about the Switch. Very cool to be proven wrong! ...and Shiggy doing the Wonder Red thumb...!

DVDTalker76 12-08-16 04:26 AM

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Skepticism aside, that looked damn good running Zelda. Not surprising.

spainlinx0 12-08-16 10:15 AM

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If Zelda is day one for the Switch, pretty sure I will be too.

slop101 12-08-16 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wtsang (Post 12964515)
Skepticism aside, that looked damn good running Zelda. Not surprising.

Does it? We were sorta promised something on the scale of Skyrim. It didn't look like anything approaching that; it was desolate, with very little detail or texture. If anything, I was let down a bit by that presentation.

RichC2 12-08-16 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12964732)
Does it? We were sorta promised something on the scale of Skyrim. It didn't look like anything approaching that; it was desolate, with very little detail or texture. If anything, I was let down a bit by that presentation.

It looked less desolate than Skyrim :shrug:

But I guess texture is valid.

slop101 12-08-16 11:27 AM

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Looks pretty damn desolate to me :shrug:


https://abload.de/img/zelda21ds7g.png

I actually hope this is an early build, with textures and objects stripped out to make it run smooth for the presentation.

fumanstan 12-08-16 02:34 PM

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Zelda didn't look that impressive to me, although we also didn't see enough. But yeah, the textures in the world look terrible (sorry about the negativity).

Jimmy overdoes it a little, but he does sound like a real fan. And that's probably a good thing for marketing this thing to the people watching his show. At least it's a nice contrast to say, Conan having no idea what he's doing.

DVDTalker76 12-08-16 02:58 PM

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Can't disagree with any of the above; it just seems like Nintendo's vision for Zelda hits perfectly for my tastes. Every time they go with a stylized look it just seems right.

That screenshot looks as barren as described, but it didn't come off that way in motion when we weren't just staring at that one clearing.

Adam Tyner 12-08-16 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 12964940)
Zelda didn't look that impressive to me, although we also didn't see enough. But yeah, the textures in the world look terrible (sorry about the negativity).

I hope my venting earlier doesn't discourage any discussion; that's the last thing I'd want to do.

On another note, one of the most longstanding bits of speculation (though there haven't been any credible rumors to support it) is that the Switch would play Nintendo's mobile games. Reggie says that's not the case, at least for Super Mario Run:


Development for Super Mario Run is different than development for Nintendo Switch [the company's all-new Wii U successor, coming in March 2017]. With Switch we're going to have a variety of input devices, a variety of ways for you to interact with the game. Here, it's all the screen. So it's a different type of development challenge. But at the core, our developers are looking to create content that you really can't get anywhere else, you can't experience anywhere else...that's a core philosophy that's going to continue.

pinata242 12-08-16 03:42 PM

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Isn't SMR's entire UI tapping the screen? How in the world can you map that to a button?

Adam Tyner 12-08-16 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 12964980)
Isn't SMR's entire UI tapping the screen? How in the world can you map that to a button?

All the leakers have been saying that the Switch has a touchscreen, although it goes without saying that doesn't mean much when it's docked.

You're right that it'd be a whole different kettle of fish without a touchscreen, although it's still somewhere in the realm of probably-a-bad-idea-but-not-completely-impossible. Reggie, from that same interview:


Super Mario Run on Apple TV? Not now

"You know...we haven't even launched Super Mario Run yet, so we haven't even thought about those types of applications, but again, what I would say is, we developed this to live on these kinds of screens, and to be played in this type of experience, and we think that's what it's best for. Let's see what happens after the 15th of December."


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