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Noonan 09-18-18 10:21 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13409862)
I have my one year subscription code from Best Buy but when I try to redeem it, I get a 'This Product is not yet Available' message.

I read that the service won't be available until sometime tonight.

fumanstan 09-18-18 10:29 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
https://www.polygon.com/2018/9/18/17...t-pdt-downtime


“Nintendo Switch Online will launch later this evening,” the company stated in a tweet. “In preparation, Nintendo Switch eShop is scheduled for maintenance starting at 5 p.m. PT and will be unavailable for up to three hours. We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your understanding.”

So here’s the timeline:

Nintendo Switch eShop will be taken offline at 5 p.m. PT/8 p.m. ET
Up to three hours of downtime
Nintendo Switch Online will launch, at the latest, at 8 p.m. PT/11 p.m. ET

tanman 09-18-18 10:37 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Music (Post 13409829)
They treat it like a handheld, because it is a handheld.

Itís much more like a family console. The handheld portion is only one mode. Either way the thing is designed to have multiple players and should allow for multiple save slots. Even games on the WiiU started this unfortunate trend.

Decker 09-18-18 10:39 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
^ Thanks, guys. Will try again tonight.


Originally Posted by The Bus (Post 13403462)
Really hoping there's a dungeon crawling Diablo-ish RPG coming to the Switch soon.

Or whatever you'd call <b>Darkstone</b> or <b>Champions of Norrath</b>.

While I stand by my earlier reply, I wanted to mention that Final Fantasy XV Pocket Edition HD just launched and is on sale for 40% off at 17.99 until 9/20. I picked it up last night but haven't played it yet. Looks like a fun little isometric Action RPG for on-the-go play. Looks like it's worth it at the current price.

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fujishig 09-18-18 10:56 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
It's basically a slimmed down FF XV (obviously with a completely different art style). It still a great deal, but if you wanted to play the "real" FF XV some day, this will basically spoil the entire story.

pinata242 09-18-18 02:41 PM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 13409868)
https://www.polygon.com/2018/9/18/17...t-pdt-downtime

Nintendo Switch Online will launch, at the latest, at 8 p.m. PT/11 p.m. ET

Oh, Polygon, why would you put yourself in this position when commenting on a service provider's timeline. Is this their first service launch coverage?

fujishig 09-18-18 03:45 PM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by tanman (Post 13409748)
The only thing I'm worried about is Nintendo screwing up the save ability. I'm not sure why their being so stupid with it but I'd like to have the ability to play two different towns with the same switch but I seriously doubt that that will happen since they seem to basically treat the switch like a handheld when it comes to game saves and their stupid one save state per game per system policy. What happened to being able to at least have three different save slots? When did that go away?

It went away a long time ago, maybe for space reasons but mainly to get you to buy multiple carts. I remember at least as far back as the original Pokemon because someone started a new game and erased my save.

Adam Tyner 09-18-18 03:54 PM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by tanman (Post 13409748)
The only thing I'm worried about is Nintendo screwing up the save ability. I'm not sure why their being so stupid with it but I'd like to have the ability to play two different towns with the same switch but I seriously doubt that that will happen since they seem to basically treat the switch like a handheld when it comes to game saves and their stupid one save state per game per system policy. What happened to being able to at least have three different save slots? When did that go away?

Could you create a second (or third or...) profile and get an additional save slot that way? (I mean, I know we're talking about a game that isn't out yet, but does this work for other Switch titles?)

It's not ideal, obviously, but if that works, at least it's a better workaround than requiring a separate copy of a game or something.

Jay G. 09-18-18 04:10 PM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 13410091)
Could you create a second (or third or...) profile and get an additional save slot that way? (I mean, I know we're talking about a game that isn't out yet, but does this work for other Switch titles?)

It's not ideal, obviously, but if that works, at least it's a better workaround than requiring a separate copy of a game or something.

Additional users on a Switch require a Family membership, which costs $34.99/year for up to 8 users.
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news...ne-1202940076/
https://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/faq/

Jay G. 09-18-18 04:27 PM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 13410084)
It went away a long time ago, maybe for space reasons but mainly to get you to buy multiple carts. I remember at least as far back as the original Pokemon because someone started a new game and erased my save.

I think Pokemon may have been restricted to one save slot due to the ability to trade pokemon between GameBoys.

Decker 09-19-18 12:22 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 13410101)
Additional users on a Switch require a Family membership, which costs $34.99/year for up to 8 users.
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news...ne-1202940076/
https://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/faq/

I didn't catch that. So my son can't play online unless he plays on my account? That just seems wrong since his account is under mine (and we only have one Switch between us.

I redeemed my code and got the year. Wonder if I can upgrade for the difference. I also ordered the NES controllers. Figured they'd be hard to get early on if I didn't jump on them right away.

Also, you can save $5 on a $50 eShop Digital Gift Card via Paypal Gifts. I bought two.
https://www.paypal.com/us/gifts/bran...ndo-egift-card

tanman 09-19-18 12:49 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 13410084)
It went away a long time ago, maybe for space reasons but mainly to get you to buy multiple carts. I remember at least as far back as the original Pokemon because someone started a new game and erased my save.

This is what really makes me mad. It's just a thinly veiled ploy for families to buy multiple carts. It's not like these are $5 apps or something like that. This software is expensive, especially when it's Switch games. Plus I don't think buying another cart would do anything as aren't the save states on the switch itself? Or at least tied to it? The first console game I really realized it on was Pikmin 3. I used to like copying a save state to a new slot if I wanted to beat that boss over and over or let my siblings play it through on their own. I guess that's impossible now without buying multiple consoles? That's just absurd. It's always one step forward and two steps back with Nintendo isn't it?


Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 13410091)
Could you create a second (or third or...) profile and get an additional save slot that way? (I mean, I know we're talking about a game that isn't out yet, but does this work for other Switch titles?)

It's not ideal, obviously, but if that works, at least it's a better workaround than requiring a separate copy of a game or something.

That's a good question. Anyone know if this works on a game like Mario Odyssey?


Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 13410101)
Additional users on a Switch require a Family membership, which costs $34.99/year for up to 8 users.
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news...ne-1202940076/
https://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/faq/

Well that kind of sucks. Not sure why they have to charge extra for a family membership. I guess that's good in a way that you can share it with people not in your household.


Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 13410107)
I think Pokemon may have been restricted to one save slot due to the ability to trade pokemon between GameBoys.

Now that makes sense and if there is a reason for it that's great. But this whole buggaboo about hijacked save states or whatever they've made up is just ridiculous. Just let us manage it on our own with a memory card.

tanman 09-19-18 12:59 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
So I went ahead and signed up for Nintendo online. $20/year isn't bad.

Went ahead and pre-ordered the NES controllers. That really sucked $60 + $5 tax + $5 shipping = $70 Just to use a proper D pad with the retro games. The cost of controllers with each subsequent gen is just getting more and more ridiculous. I can't believe this costs as much as the NES classic itself. On top of that they charge you right when you preorder it. They said it will ship the first or second week of December. The worst part for me though is when they release (hopefully) a proper virtual console the controllers will be outdated as you won't be able to play SNES games on them. They do have the tiny L and R buttons on the top though.

So I may or may not keep the pre-order. I guess depending on how collectible they may become.

I guess Nintendo still doesn't get it. If they give their fans what they want it will give them one less excuse to look to homebrew to solve their issues.

Decker 09-19-18 01:07 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
They bill you immediately. Don't know if you can cancel the preorder. Of course you could probably sell the set for $100 before Christmas if they are scarce.

I can't upgrade my membership to a family one so now I guess the best thing to do is buy my son a $20 one for the year and leave it at that, rather than spend another $35 on a family membership and wasting the $20 that I just spent. My daughter won't play online anyway so it's only a $5 loss at this point. Wish I had realized that before I preordered a subscription card last week.

Adam Tyner 09-19-18 07:28 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 13410101)
Additional users on a Switch require a Family membership, which costs $34.99/year for up to 8 users.

I meant for saves, not for online. Or can you no longer create profiles without being billed?

steebo777 09-19-18 09:57 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
I'm wondering if the new Switch update will fix all the issues with any docks other than Nintendo's, specifically the Nyko one. I don't want to test it though as I don't want to brick mine.

fujishig 09-19-18 10:20 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
So what's the drawback of buying the family plan? Do they limit it somehow?

My daughter has taken over the switch and I'm contemplating getting a family plan so we can both have accounts to play Splatoon, Mario Kart, etc (at different times) and maybe eventually getting a second switch if we can actually move profiles/saves. Then maybe I'll add my brother (in another state). Should be no problem with that, right?

tanman 09-19-18 11:08 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13410330)
They bill you immediately. Don't know if you can cancel the preorder. Of course you could probably sell the set for $100 before Christmas if they are scarce.

I can't upgrade my membership to a family one so now I guess the best thing to do is buy my son a $20 one for the year and leave it at that, rather than spend another $35 on a family membership and wasting the $20 that I just spent. My daughter won't play online anyway so it's only a $5 loss at this point. Wish I had realized that before I preordered a subscription card last week.

That really sucks. Have you tried contacting customer service?

It really seems like Nintendo gets worse and worse with convenient way to do things and becoming more restrictive. And I thought proprietary memory cards were a bad thing in the GCN days. Now they want you to buy each family member their own console and copy of the game. A good example of one step forward and two steps back is the two player online experience with the NES games. Awesome concept and execution so cool playing these classic games online. But why oh why canít you play with a stranger? Why does it have to be with a friend. So now you have to make a plan with someone to play instead of spontaneously playing with someone online. But that may be my own social problem as I donít have many friends at all who play video games. Maybe theyíll have that ability down the road but Iím not holding my breath. Also release Jackal for the NES!

pinata242 09-19-18 11:13 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
I'll be your friend, tanman.

Sonny Corinthos 09-19-18 11:27 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
Do you have to use the NES controllers to play the NES games on the Switch? Will the pro controller not work with them?

Mike86 09-19-18 11:35 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 

Originally Posted by Sonny Corinthos (Post 13410490)
Do you have to use the NES controllers to play the NES games on the Switch? Will the pro controller not work with them?

I havenít used the Pro Controller yet but the normal Joy Cons work fine so I donít see why it wouldnít work.

I agree that itís dumb that you canít join a random personís party and have to play with a friend for the NES multiplayer.

Maxflier 09-19-18 11:48 AM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
Pro controller works.

The Questyen 09-19-18 12:11 PM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
The NES controllers don't even come out until December so it should be pretty obvious they're not required.

Mike86 09-19-18 01:52 PM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
One minor thing Iíd like with the online service is to have it keep a log of the specific NES games you play and how long youíve played. The Switch keeps a log of other games but when you play an NES game it just shows as playing the NES app for however many hours rather than breaking down by individual games.

Sonny Corinthos 09-19-18 02:28 PM

Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
 
Thanks for the info everyone. I won't be buying the NES controllers if my Pro Controller will work with these games.


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