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Old 08-12-14, 10:52 AM   #51
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

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none of which you pointed out or stated initially. while that certainly may have been the point you were trying to make, your words certainly did not make them for you.
Ah well, I guess I figured "You don't pay for an exclusive" would work, since it wasn't "You don't develop an exclusive"

Though I suppose Insomniac isn't officially first party for MS yet, just in a partnership. So either or, considering we're talking about Tomb Raider first and foremost I guess I just thought it'd be obvious.

It's some sort of strategy either way. But it's more than 12 months off, really am curious to see how the console sales shape up by then.
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Old 08-12-14, 10:59 AM   #52
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

I expect this to move at least twice as many systems as Bayonetta 2 moves Wii U's. So at least 8!
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Old 08-12-14, 11:03 AM   #53
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Everyone knows is a timed exclusive. Please.

The PC version will be ready like in two days, just a search and replace in the code. Yes, I'm exaggerating.

Microsoft did great. It will sell great for the Xbox One. Everyone loved the previous game. And CD can just follow the Uncharted formula, don't make big changes, just go bigger, and everyone should love the new game too.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:05 AM   #54
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

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Smart move by Microsoft, even if it's not the most customer-friendly move by Crystal Dynamics...especially given the number of new fans to the game due to its re-release on PS4.
This means a loss when it comes to sales of the 2nd one.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:06 AM   #55
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

Yeah, the problem is that this game isn't coming out until late 2015. A lot can change between now and then.

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Old 08-12-14, 11:08 AM   #56
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

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This means a loss when it comes to sales of the 2nd one.
Why would it mean that?
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Old 08-12-14, 11:12 AM   #57
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

This made me lol from Kaz Hirai:

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Rise of the Tomb Raider is now exclusive to Xbox One. Square Enix clearly wants the game to be uncharted: as in, not entering the charts.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:13 AM   #58
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

uhh...
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You realize that's a parody account, right? It's hilarious but, your wording suggests it came from the real Kaz.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:14 AM   #59
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

i did not. my bad. i saw it posted on kotaku and assumed it was his legit account. still funny nevertheless.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:28 AM   #60
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

I really liked the last Tomb Raider, first one I've played in years. It got me interested in the franchise again, but definitely not enough to pick up an Xbox. If it doesn't change to a timed exclusive, I hope it works out well for the parties involved.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:29 AM   #61
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Old 08-12-14, 11:31 AM   #62
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

What a bunch of entitled whiners.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:34 AM   #63
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I already have an Xbone, but I love Tomb Raider enough that I would have bought one just to play it. That being said, I would have much preferred to play it on PS4.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:38 AM   #64
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

Did no one game before the last two console generations? Third party exclusives were EVERYWHERE. There were hundreds of them.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:40 AM   #65
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re: Rise of the Tomb Raider (Xbox One now, PS4 on 10/11/16)

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Why would it mean that?
I think he meant hopefully the moneyhat is big enough to cover both games. Good luck selling Temple of Osiris to PS4 users.

Also, did MS learn nothing last year? You can't brute force people into buying their console.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:47 AM   #66
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Did no one game before the last two console generations? Third party exclusives were EVERYWHERE. There were hundreds of them.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:50 AM   #67
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I think he meant hopefully the moneyhat is big enough to cover both games. Good luck selling Temple of Osiris to PS4 users.

Also, did MS learn nothing last year? You can't brute force people into buying their console.
That's some violent imagery for a simple business deal, one that has happened since consoles began. Companies do what they need to do to survive, including studios that make games.

It's not a personal attack, it's not a middle finger to consumers, it's a business deal. Sony pays a studio to make a game, shuts down studio when said game is released. No one says shit about that. Microsoft does it upfront gives the studio a guaranteed payday and it's meglocorporations raping the consumer and my rights and...

The previous game was given a ludicrous sales expectation. One it did not reach until the remastered version came out. Who's to say that Square Enix didn't put the same or higher sales expectation on this one? And deals were made to ensure people get paid? It sucks for people who can only afford a PS4 and have decided that's their system, but that's video games. Always has been.
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Old 08-12-14, 11:54 AM   #68
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Old 08-12-14, 11:57 AM   #69
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Did no one game before the last two console generations? Third party exclusives were EVERYWHERE. There were hundreds of them.
And not a single Xbox exclusive got me to buy one.

Apparently exclusives work out for the studios, but I would have thought that these days, it would be best to get your games in front of as many players as possible.
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Apparently exclusives work out for the studios, but I would have thought that these days, it would be best to get your games in front of as many players as possible.
The rest of your sentence is irrelevant after the first part.
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Old 08-12-14, 12:03 PM   #71
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And not a single Xbox exclusive got me to buy one.

Apparently exclusives work out for the studios, but I would have thought that these days, it would be best to get your games in front of as many players as possible.
That's not always the case. Money is a factor, of course, especially when a giant corporation is willing to throw some at you. But think of all those Walmart-or-whatever exclusive CD sales that happened in the last decade. Bands like G&R, AC/DC, etc. would all sign deals with single retailers to get their albums out. Sure, they sold a pitiful amount of copies, but they got PAID. That's business. I worked for a retailer that would BAN all CDs of any band that had exclusive deals for their newest CDs elsewhere.

All I'm saying is, gross # of sales is never the only reason to make business decisions, and if that's the ONLY goal, why isn't every single game coming out on Wii U?
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Old 08-12-14, 12:10 PM   #72
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Oh well! I guess I'll just have to play other stuff.
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Old 08-12-14, 12:24 PM   #73
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guys guys guys!

You can all relax. Some insider (probably the one who told us Titanfall was coming to PS4) on NeoGAF says this is a timed exclusive, so of course, there's nothing to worry about because they said so. PS4 owners will get it (just like Titanfall, right?) sometime in 2019.
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Old 08-12-14, 12:25 PM   #74
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If this proves only to be a times release, then I'm cool with this. I can wait a while before I play the next game.

But either way CD has got to try and get their money, and while I would rather see a cross platform release at launch, I'm not going to fault this developer for doing what they think makes the most financial sense for them. It's a bummer, sure, but it's just a bummer. The extreme fan reaction is silly though. All this talk about boycotting and stuff? C'mon son.
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Old 08-12-14, 12:36 PM   #75
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If you're Sony, and Uncharted 4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider are coming out around the same time (holiday 2015), which of these two very similar games are you going to promote and push onto your customers?

Again, sales numbers aren't the only reason these decisions are made, but maybe these guys made a projection based on the above (like normal businesses do), and decided that taking MS's 747 full of money made more business sense than appeasing the small number of PS4 owners who were going to buy TR, or the the even smaller number of PS4 owners who were going to buy both U4 and TR.

PS: Someone needs to provide a picture of a 747 with cash flowing out of it.

edit: I'm just speculating because it's kind of fun.
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