discostu1337

Those preorder charts don't seem very accurate to me. COD on X1 for instance only went up by 6000 in a week. Only counting Gamestop as a retailer, that is 1 per store over all 7 days. It's probably much closer to 1 per store per day or two (most likely a lot in some stores and 0 in others etc), so i dunno, 20k or more? And that's just GS. Does this site count all retailers or just randomly guesses numbers? Anyone know where they get their info?

Decker

I still don't get why anyone would pre-order any games at this point. Do we think there will be a Call of Duty shortage or something? I know there's little risk, but there's little incentive either. At least last year, Best Buy was giving some money back. I know Game Stop pushes pre-order like crazy, but I don't understand why folks won't wait for closer to release date. The consoles will be scarce, but the games won't be -- at least I doubt it.

Supermallet

Other than a few limited editions, no, there won't be a shortage.

dsa_shea

The only time I pre-order is when I get free stuff or future credit. I haven't seen much of that for the next-gen games other than maybe a map pack or so. I'm hoping that Amazon starts the 10 dollar credit for some next-gen titles but I haven't seen it yet. Other than that the whole getting you to pre-order out of fear of not getting your hands on a big release is silly.

fumanstan

Some games are a given for people to buy regardless of reviews, so if you're buying a next gen console it makes sense to order the games too.

And if you're pre-ordering a console online, it makes sense to order your games too rather then having to take a separate trip to a store.

chess

Well of course they aren't accurate in terms of the raw numbers, but I assume whatever their source is, they are using the same source across the board...hence they are providing a much larger and diverse sample than 50 guys on Video Game Talk.

Michael Corvin

Come on chess! There are four, FOUR new people buying X1s here! If that's not an accurate representation I don't know what is. Sony is doomed.

Gizmo

VGChartz has never been accurate.

But if it puts Sony in a positive light, it must be used.

discostu1337

Gotcha. I was just curious as to where the info comes from.

Gizmo

No one takes VGChartz seriously. Their numbers often don't jive with the 'official' ones that used to come monthly.

chess

I don't take them seriously because they have a z in their name.

Decker

Well shit. I just got an email from my mother and for some odd, idiotic reason she just sent me a $600 Amazon Gift Card for my birthday (apparently I'm the World's Best Son or something). Anyhoo, I hate having a big balance at Amazon that gets eaten one Blu Ray or Kindle book at a time, so fuck it, I'm getting an XO as well (already paid off my PS4 with the inlaw's GC the last two years). Looks like it won't be a Launch Edition , but hopefully I'll get it soon enough. Most important thing is it's paid off before 1/1/14 when NV starts collecting sales tax on Amazon purchases. So looks like I'll need to change my vote in the next poll as well.

fumanstan

I fully expect to see it stopped being cited if XB1 games start floating up to the top of the list more.

chess

They already did start floating up, and it was duly noted, but you two enjoy yourselves.

fumanstan

As long as the PS4 is on top, you have reason to keep posting them. Thanks Jim.

Michael Corvin

For the past 8 years while MS was owning the charts, VGC was good enough to cite. Now that Sony has the leg up, they're not reliable?

You people are funny.

chess

The implication that anybody would have to "cherry pick" to find good news for Sony at any point this year is just .

fumanstan

They were? I've posted charts from them years ago and it resulted in more then a few replies about their unreliability and limited data. What a silly assertion

They're a fun discussion point, I actually don't mind them posted despite how inaccurate they may be since they're lacking internet sales data.

Music

There are a bunch of funny and silly bitches on this here forum.

mattysemo247

I bet it gets bumped to a day one edition once they receive some cancellations. I'm sure there are tons of people who preordered both that are still on the fence on which console to get.

fumanstan

Fuck yeah we are!

chess

But you're still not above giving somebody a hard time for posting them?

It's patently obvious that VGC doesn't take everything into account, which is why they should be viewed as a predictive sample at best...not a perfect sample, but probably the largest publicly available sample. They don't tell you exactly what the numbers will end up, but they should give an idea of where they are proportionally.

Raul3

vgchartz is not taken seriously by the gaming industry, but they even disput NPD numbers from time to time. NPD number seem to be more accurate, but they don't include some of the most important retailers (vgchartz is more limited of course). I think that's one of the reasons they started restricting the kind of information they gave. Up until a few years ago they would say COD sold 2 millions this month. Now they only say COD was number 1, Mario 2, Halo 3, etc.

vgchartz numbers have been used in forums for a long time of course. They are forum friendly.

Decker

It seems that judging who's winning the next gen war by looking at game pre-order numbers is a little like the Nixon administration trying to show they were winning the Vietnam war by counting the new coffins being floated up the rivers.

fumanstan

Nope, not when their posting history dictates otherwise.