PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
02-11-13, 03:24 PM
#251
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
And what happens when your console breaks? Will the game be tied to a specific console or user name? If it is the username then we will have to be logged in for verification and if it is the console then kiss your games goodbye once it breaks. How come PC game developers have never bitched and moaned about used games but these console game developers are turning into these whiny bags about it? Also, I would rather not need to have my daughter logged in to my account while playing one of our games on one system while I'm trying to game on another.
02-11-13, 04:12 PM
#252
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
On Hands Video and interview with the Valve's "Xi3 Piston"....
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The specifications
Piston packs a lot of muscle in a tiny space. It fits in a box no larger than the size of your hand. The device uses the Advanced Micro Devices “Trinity” combo platform which combines a microprocessor and graphics functions in the same chip.
The machine has a 3.2-gigahertz quad-core microprocessor and 384 programmable graphics cores. It comes with 8 gigabytes of DDR main memory. It can support three monitors natively and two mini display ports. It has four USB 3.0 ports, four eSATA ports, and four USB 2.0 ports. And it has 64 gigabytes to 1 terabyte of storage, depending on price. It has three programmable audio ports. The storage can transfer data at a speed of 12 gigabits a second at the high end.
The device can run 4K resolution video and graphics. Piston consumes only 40 watts, compared to 1,000 watts for some of the high-end game PCs.
“You can use this for gaming,” Politis. “To fit it inside this form factor took a little bit of magic.” The device has 13 patents granted and the company has applied for 1,000 more.
Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/11/xi...EwOuW32ZW0P.99
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The specifications
Piston packs a lot of muscle in a tiny space. It fits in a box no larger than the size of your hand. The device uses the Advanced Micro Devices “Trinity” combo platform which combines a microprocessor and graphics functions in the same chip.
The machine has a 3.2-gigahertz quad-core microprocessor and 384 programmable graphics cores. It comes with 8 gigabytes of DDR main memory. It can support three monitors natively and two mini display ports. It has four USB 3.0 ports, four eSATA ports, and four USB 2.0 ports. And it has 64 gigabytes to 1 terabyte of storage, depending on price. It has three programmable audio ports. The storage can transfer data at a speed of 12 gigabits a second at the high end.
The device can run 4K resolution video and graphics. Piston consumes only 40 watts, compared to 1,000 watts for some of the high-end game PCs.
“You can use this for gaming,” Politis. “To fit it inside this form factor took a little bit of magic.” The device has 13 patents granted and the company has applied for 1,000 more.
Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/11/xi...EwOuW32ZW0P.99
02-11-13, 04:30 PM
#253
DVD Talk Hero
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
You know, it just occurred to me that we had at least one big name title block used sales this generation. DC Universe Online had a one-time activation code (along with a monthly subscription, initially). I bought it knowing about the monthly subscription, thinking I'd give the MMORPG thing a whirl and sell it if it wasn't worth paying a monthly fee. I was pretty pissed when I opened it and found the game was pretty much useless once played. For some reason, maybe due to backlash, Best Buy actually took it as a trade-in for $30 or so and I took advantage of that soon after buying it.
Anyway, not sure how reliable VGChartz is, but they show DCU sold 320K units in the US. For comparison, Catherine sold 360k units in the US combined for 360 and PS3. Granted, there were multiple other non-consolish things going on with DCU and it did go free-to-play eventually, but it's one big AAA title that went anti-used and didn't do too well. Any other big games from this gen that went fully anti-used?
Anyway, not sure how reliable VGChartz is, but they show DCU sold 320K units in the US. For comparison, Catherine sold 360k units in the US combined for 360 and PS3. Granted, there were multiple other non-consolish things going on with DCU and it did go free-to-play eventually, but it's one big AAA title that went anti-used and didn't do too well. Any other big games from this gen that went fully anti-used?
Also, is the game completely useless used, or like most of these online passes is there a way to buy a pass separately?
02-11-13, 06:31 PM
#254
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
Yeah, i think the failure of that game was other factors instead of the activation code thing... I mean I've never played the game, but even at the current price of free how many people are playing? Plus that at least had a precedent... wasn't PSO for the Dreamcast the same way?
Also, is the game completely useless used, or like most of these online passes is there a way to buy a pass separately?
Also, is the game completely useless used, or like most of these online passes is there a way to buy a pass separately?
02-11-13, 07:41 PM
#255
DVD Talk Legend
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
360: 11.4M+ units sold. (60%)
PS3: 9.4M+ units sold. (36%)
PC: 850K+ units sold. (4%)
Borderlands 2
360: 2.2M+ units sold. (55%)
PS3: 1.3M+ units sold. (32%)
PC: 500K+ units sold. (13%)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
360: 14.8M+ units sold. (51%)
PS3: 12.6M+ units sold. (43%)
PC: 1.6M+ units sold. (6%)
Borderlands
360: 3.1M+ units sold. (62%)
PS3: 1.8M+ units sold. (37%)
PC: 100K+ units sold. (1%)
Competing? How are they competing with the 360 and PS3 when the PC equivalents don't even come close in units and sales numbers?
I'd argue PC gaming has more of a niche audience than anything else. A majority of people don't purchase a computer for gaming, therefore they have hardware that is simply inadequate for gaming. This is why Valve have been pushing for "hardware standards" as they've started making movement in the hardware sector.
To note, most of the best selling PC games:
- Never saw a release on the console.
- If they did see a release on a console, it would always be a port released at a later date and time.
I purchased Borderlands on Steam during a summer sale and it was fucking terrible compared to when I played it on my friend's PS3. Even Gearbox admitted their PC port was garbage. I ended up purchasing Borderlands 2 for the 360 a few weeks after it's release for $34.99 new.
02-11-13, 08:42 PM
#256
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
Isn't that the point? Since most games are on all three platforms, the consoles are PC's main competitor and cannibalize PC sales.
02-12-13, 01:59 AM
#257
DVD Talk Legend
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
There are gamers that will only play PC games. I have quite a few friends that don't own a console, but play the ever loving shit out of MMOs and PC exclusive titles (i.e. Diablo III, Dota 2, StarCraft II, World of Warcraft, etc). There's also a few games, while being on all platforms, that have significantly larger communities on PC (i.e. Valve's Counter-strike and Team Fortress 2).
Games that are created for the PC first are usually superior to the console made port (any Valve game comes to mind). On the flip side, games that are created for the consoles first are always superior to the PC made port. For example, the last few Call of Duty games have always been made with the 360 in mind first. I actually bought both Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops on the 360 and PC as I had friends playing it on both platforms. While Steam had a better community, the actual game play itself was far inferior. Black Ops was a disaster as the game was broken right on release date. It also doesn't help that as these games are made for consoles in mind, developers tend to forget the PC can output graphics at a significantly better rate. Because of this, PC games like the CoD franchise don't look as awesome as they should. There's no fan base that's going to create a mod to make a CoD game look amazing on a PC like they did for GTA IV and Skyrim.
The PC gamer, as it stands now, is a dying breed. It's no wonder Rockstar said no to doing a PC port for GTA V. Valve's Steam Box might be the PC gamer's last hope.
02-12-13, 09:10 AM
#258
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
While I look a the "used games block" as being important, there is another one where the PC has the advantage....upgradable. One reason where the Valve's "Piston" has caught my eye. It's a shame that both technical powerhouses, Sony & MS cannot figure how to do something with the Nex Gen consoles in some such way. Especially where the GPU and VRAM will be important.
If Valve can design and make a cube that small, with that much power, that many inputs/outputs and have it where all one has to do to upgrade is pop out the card and pop in a new one why not Sony and MS? The "Piston" will be able to keep up with changes and upgrades...like the Unreal, Dice and Crysis engines which are straining the PS3 and 360 now. Which makes you wonder what's ahead 3, 5 or 7 years from.
If Valve can design and make a cube that small, with that much power, that many inputs/outputs and have it where all one has to do to upgrade is pop out the card and pop in a new one why not Sony and MS? The "Piston" will be able to keep up with changes and upgrades...like the Unreal, Dice and Crysis engines which are straining the PS3 and 360 now. Which makes you wonder what's ahead 3, 5 or 7 years from.
02-12-13, 09:11 AM
#259
DVD Talk Hero
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
I picked up Borderlands (PC) a while after its initial release and it was fine compared to the 360/PS3 versions, must have patched it up (played it with a 360 controller via wireless hdmi to the projector, that setup works well.)
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
360: 11.4M+ units sold. (60%)
PS3: 9.4M+ units sold. (36%)
PC: 850K+ units sold. (4%)
Borderlands 2
360: 2.2M+ units sold. (55%)
PS3: 1.3M+ units sold. (32%)
PC: 500K+ units sold. (13%)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
360: 14.8M+ units sold. (51%)
PS3: 12.6M+ units sold. (43%)
PC: 1.6M+ units sold. (6%)
Borderlands
360: 3.1M+ units sold. (62%)
PS3: 1.8M+ units sold. (37%)
PC: 100K+ units sold. (1%)
360: 11.4M+ units sold. (60%)
PS3: 9.4M+ units sold. (36%)
PC: 850K+ units sold. (4%)
Borderlands 2
360: 2.2M+ units sold. (55%)
PS3: 1.3M+ units sold. (32%)
PC: 500K+ units sold. (13%)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
360: 14.8M+ units sold. (51%)
PS3: 12.6M+ units sold. (43%)
PC: 1.6M+ units sold. (6%)
Borderlands
360: 3.1M+ units sold. (62%)
PS3: 1.8M+ units sold. (37%)
PC: 100K+ units sold. (1%)
Diablo 3, for instance, reportedly sold 3 million copies at retail and 7 million through digital distribution for a total in excess of 10 million through November of last year. (Blizzard isn't privately held anymore so they report these things, Valve is still privately held and does not release sales stats.)
Unfortunately until Digital Distributors start releasing NPD-style sales stats, we really have no clue how well PC gaming is doing. Steam, GOG, Direct2Drive, Impulse, Greenmangaming, GamersGate, etc; should band together and contribute sales numbers but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
To note, Black Ops 2 did bomb on PC when compared to its console counterparts, no real way around that.
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02-12-13, 09:18 AM
#260
Suspended
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
Yeah, i think the failure of that game was other factors instead of the activation code thing... I mean I've never played the game, but even at the current price of free how many people are playing? Plus that at least had a precedent... wasn't PSO for the Dreamcast the same way?
Also, is the game completely useless used, or like most of these online passes is there a way to buy a pass separately?
Also, is the game completely useless used, or like most of these online passes is there a way to buy a pass separately?
02-12-13, 09:29 AM
#261
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
I don't think PC Gamers are a dying breed, the platform is on the upswing from the mid 2000s. Certainly not as big as consoles, but since this console cycle has gone on so long, most PCs or Macs purchased in the last few years are perfectly capable of playing most games, if not on highest settings. And the tech has gotten really good, I'm impressed how good some games look on low settings.
I doubt PCs will ever be as big as consoles in the future, and more likely the two will merge at some point as consoles become more like PCs and visa versa.
02-12-13, 09:42 AM
#262
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
While I look a the "used games block" as being important, there is another one where the PC has the advantage....upgradable. One reason where the Valve's "Piston" has caught my eye. It's a shame that both technical powerhouses, Sony & MS cannot figure how to do something with the Nex Gen consoles in some such way. Especially where the GPU and VRAM will be important.
If Valve can design and make a cube that small, with that much power, that many inputs/outputs and have it where all one has to do to upgrade is pop out the card and pop in a new one why not Sony and MS? The "Piston" will be able to keep up with changes and upgrades...like the Unreal, Dice and Crysis engines which are straining the PS3 and 360 now. Which makes you wonder what's ahead 3, 5 or 7 years from.
If Valve can design and make a cube that small, with that much power, that many inputs/outputs and have it where all one has to do to upgrade is pop out the card and pop in a new one why not Sony and MS? The "Piston" will be able to keep up with changes and upgrades...like the Unreal, Dice and Crysis engines which are straining the PS3 and 360 now. Which makes you wonder what's ahead 3, 5 or 7 years from.
02-12-13, 10:21 AM
#263
DVD Talk Hero
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
Wait, what? Where did you read this? They haven't announced one way or the other whether it will be ported. I expect it will be, albeit I'm not expecting too much. GTA IV's port wasn't great.
I don't think PC Gamers are a dying breed, the platform is on the upswing from the mid 2000s. Certainly not as big as consoles, but since this console cycle has gone on so long, most PCs or Macs purchased in the last few years are perfectly capable of playing most games, if not on highest settings. And the tech has gotten really good, I'm impressed how good some games look on low settings.
I doubt PCs will ever be as big as consoles in the future, and more likely the two will merge at some point as consoles become more like PCs and visa versa.
I don't think PC Gamers are a dying breed, the platform is on the upswing from the mid 2000s. Certainly not as big as consoles, but since this console cycle has gone on so long, most PCs or Macs purchased in the last few years are perfectly capable of playing most games, if not on highest settings. And the tech has gotten really good, I'm impressed how good some games look on low settings.
I doubt PCs will ever be as big as consoles in the future, and more likely the two will merge at some point as consoles become more like PCs and visa versa.
02-12-13, 11:08 AM
#264
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
While I look a the "used games block" as being important, there is another one where the PC has the advantage....upgradable. One reason where the Valve's "Piston" has caught my eye. It's a shame that both technical powerhouses, Sony & MS cannot figure how to do something with the Nex Gen consoles in some such way. Especially where the GPU and VRAM will be important.
02-12-13, 12:29 PM
#265
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
There's also the issue of letting people open up the hardware to replace something like that. Warranties are voided on them if it has been opened.
02-12-13, 01:13 PM
#266
DVD Talk Hero
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
If there are removable components I could see them doing it, similar to how the PS3 allows you to swap out hard drives. But like others have said, you fragment the market, and it'll just be like the fifty other different add ons that failed to gain traction because the user base just isn't there. It's not like the Genesis, the N64, and others didn't try in some form or another. To me, the appeal of the console is that you don't have to worry about upgrades and whether the software will run on your one year old machine.
02-12-13, 01:47 PM
#267
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
Well I sort of knew it was a long shot on "upgradable" consoles. It just seems that the software side especially the design engines seem to advance faster than the hardware. But if we can get 5+ years out of a console with the advancement of software then that's fine. I do think both the PS3 and 360 might have over-streached their use by one or two years. Or at least based on what I've read from Unreal, Crytek and Dice where they had to hold back on some the latest games compared to the pc versions.
So once again we can go back and focus on backward compatibility, used games, storage solutions and hardware. Thanks for the input.
So once again we can go back and focus on backward compatibility, used games, storage solutions and hardware. Thanks for the input.
02-12-13, 03:59 PM
#269
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
That's freakn' awesome.....Love the "
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02-12-13, 05:08 PM
#270
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
360 Rockets or Kinects?
02-12-13, 06:50 PM
#272
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
I thought it was a little odd that they were announcing this 3 days before Sony had their conference. It would be a sweet launch title.
Bungie's Destiny confirmed, will be unveiled February 17
http://www.gamespot.com/news/bungies...ary-17-6403773
Bungie's Destiny confirmed, will be unveiled February 17
http://www.gamespot.com/news/bungies...ary-17-6403773
02-12-13, 07:16 PM
#273
DVD Talk Legend
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
I thought it was a little odd that they were announcing this 3 days before Sony had their conference. It would be a sweet launch title.
Bungie's Destiny confirmed, will be unveiled February 17
http://www.gamespot.com/news/bungies...ary-17-6403773
Bungie's Destiny confirmed, will be unveiled February 17
http://www.gamespot.com/news/bungies...ary-17-6403773
02-12-13, 10:02 PM
#274
DVD Talk Legend
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
Based upon his efforts with GTA 4, Rockstar needs to hire Ice Laglace for the V port. Rockstar's GTA IV port sucks, but the iCEnhancer blows the console versions right out of the water.
02-13-13, 12:53 PM
#275
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
Re: PS4 to be announced February 20th?
Next gens not backward compatible? EA seems to think so: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/...rds-compatible
he next generation of consoles are unlikely to support backwards compatibility, according to EA's chief financial officer.
Speaking at a Goldman Sachs Technology and Internet Conference Q&A session (via Gamasutra), Blake Jorgensen explained that the current generation of consoles still had some mileage left in them as a result.
“
An important thing to remember is that next-gen consoles will most likely not be backwards compatible.
"An important thing to remember is that next-gen consoles will most likely not be backwards compatible," he stated. "If you [play] multiplayer on a game, you'll most likely not be able to play with someone on a different generation."
Jorgensen went on to explain that sports games would play a large role in keeping current gen consoles relevant, as if the new boxes don't launch until December, that'll be midway through the season so you're likely to keep playing on your PS3 or Xbox 360 until next year.
"Fiscal year 2014 will still be a fairly large gen-three if there's a console business that comes in at the tail end of the year, mainly because a lot of our titles are built around sports calendars... And if a next-gen console doesn't come out until next Christmas, most people won't wait. They'll want to be involved in getting those titles early, because their friends are all playing those titles," he posited. "If they all hold on and continue to play on third-generation, you'll probably not see that box purchase until after the soccer season's over."
Sony and Microsoft still haven't confirmed anything about the next-generation of consoles, but thankfully it looks like we won't have to wait much longer. It's looking likely that the next PlayStation will be revealed a week today while Microsoft will surely spill the beans shortly after, probably around E3.
Speaking at a Goldman Sachs Technology and Internet Conference Q&A session (via Gamasutra), Blake Jorgensen explained that the current generation of consoles still had some mileage left in them as a result.
“
An important thing to remember is that next-gen consoles will most likely not be backwards compatible.
"An important thing to remember is that next-gen consoles will most likely not be backwards compatible," he stated. "If you [play] multiplayer on a game, you'll most likely not be able to play with someone on a different generation."
Jorgensen went on to explain that sports games would play a large role in keeping current gen consoles relevant, as if the new boxes don't launch until December, that'll be midway through the season so you're likely to keep playing on your PS3 or Xbox 360 until next year.
"Fiscal year 2014 will still be a fairly large gen-three if there's a console business that comes in at the tail end of the year, mainly because a lot of our titles are built around sports calendars... And if a next-gen console doesn't come out until next Christmas, most people won't wait. They'll want to be involved in getting those titles early, because their friends are all playing those titles," he posited. "If they all hold on and continue to play on third-generation, you'll probably not see that box purchase until after the soccer season's over."
Sony and Microsoft still haven't confirmed anything about the next-generation of consoles, but thankfully it looks like we won't have to wait much longer. It's looking likely that the next PlayStation will be revealed a week today while Microsoft will surely spill the beans shortly after, probably around E3.