Kickstarter: Tropes vs. Women in Video Games
#251
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Re: Kickstarter: Tropes vs. Women in Video Games
This would be great and I have seen some videos to that effect but they ultimately turned out to be anti-feminist crap.
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#252
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Re: Kickstarter: Tropes vs. Women in Video Games
You need to visit the Feminist Frequency FB page as well as the site and watch the other videos. Sarkeesian and her supporters often like to use the phrase "but the mens" whenever it's brought up that there are male stereotypes as well. And she has gone on record several times stating that gender stereotypes are only negative when it comes to women.
It's a bit of a dismissive attitude, and it's not one I necessarily agree with, although one I understand. It can be hard to deal with the same BS arguments day after day, and at some point you just don't want to deal with them anymore. It does come off as hostile to the people who make those posts though, who maybe are genuinely unaware that their point has been addressed before times too numerous to count.
As for Sarkeesian saying gender stereotypes are only negative when it comes to women, I'd like to see a quote where she actually said/wrote that.
#253
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Re: Kickstarter: Tropes vs. Women in Video Games
But, like I said, that and the dismissive "but the mens" comments (which I saw not in reference to rape but in reference to a makeup ad that made passing reference to plastic surgery) are the only things that irk me about her. I actually do enjoy most of her videos and like to hear what she has to say. I mean, if the worst anyone can say about her is that her game footage is sourced from other sites (big effin' deal) and that she once admitted during a seminar that she is not a gamer (it's a video of her that someone posted on youtube), then I don't see all the hatred for her and I do like that she takes the time to present her findings in as professional a way as possible.
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Sorry, but as a Gears of War fan I have to comment. You'll never see a Gears game in a list of sexist games. Yes, it's over the top, but all the females portrayed in the games are at least as strong as the men. And no, they are not suggested to be lesbians or something like that. If I remember correctly, for most of the games the main writer was a female.
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Re: Kickstarter: Tropes vs. Women in Video Games
Can you please link to one of these?
I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I googled Sarkeesian "but the mens" and Sarkeesian "but the men's" and found nothing written by her. Is it something she only says in the videos?
I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I googled Sarkeesian "but the mens" and Sarkeesian "but the men's" and found nothing written by her. Is it something she only says in the videos?
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Re: Kickstarter: Tropes vs. Women in Video Games
Sorry, I'm talking about Sarkeesian saying "but the Men's" and saying that gender stereotypes are only bad if it's toward women.
#260
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The only way I could see that as possibly being true is if you're including the Berserker, Seeder and Locus Queen. The first game's only human female character was background eye-candy, and the second game's human females were prisoners and refugees, including the weak-as-they-come
Spoiler:
Maybe you're talking about the last one or two games, which I never played because I sold my Xbox 360 right after playing part 3. And because part 3 sucked. It felt like an arcade game on free play, with difficulty spikes when it went out of its way to be unfair and cheap.
Last edited by dugan; 08-29-14 at 11:59 AM.
#261
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Maybe you're talking about the last one or two games, which I never played because I sold my Xbox 360 right after playing part 3. And because part 3 sucked. It felt like an arcade game on free play, with difficulty spikes when it went out of its way to be unfair and cheap.
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Am I missing something here?
The only way I could see that as possibly being true is if you're including the Berserker, Seeder and Locus Queen. The first game's only human female character was background eye-candy, and the second game's human females were prisoners and refugees, including the weak-as-they-come
Maybe you're talking about the last one or two games, which I never played because I sold my Xbox 360 right after playing part 3. And because part 3 sucked. It felt like an arcade game on free play, with difficulty spikes when it went out of its way to be unfair and cheap.
The only way I could see that as possibly being true is if you're including the Berserker, Seeder and Locus Queen. The first game's only human female character was background eye-candy, and the second game's human females were prisoners and refugees, including the weak-as-they-come
Spoiler:
Maybe you're talking about the last one or two games, which I never played because I sold my Xbox 360 right after playing part 3. And because part 3 sucked. It felt like an arcade game on free play, with difficulty spikes when it went out of its way to be unfair and cheap.
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https://www.facebook.com/femfreq/pos...al_comments=73
I am so sick of some guys who see or hear a woman discussing and calling out sexism who then get defensive and say "but what about men?" and completely derail the point. The point of this article is not simply about harassment online. We ALL agree online harassment and threats are wrong but it happens to women so much more often...
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#264
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Re: Kickstarter: Tropes vs. Women in Video Games
Sarkeesian does in fact point out how some of these tropes negatively affect males as well, so I think it's disingenuous to say she's denying the fact that there are negative male stereotypes. But as Jay G said, she's a feminist, so her main focus is going to be on women.
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Re: Kickstarter: Tropes vs. Women in Video Games
Some interesting things discussed in this all-female podcast about how gamers are harrassing female game journalists (as well as Sarkeesian) and some "scandal" in the game journalism world they like to call Gamergate.
Click on the #Gamergate link in the You Tube video below to jump to that spot.
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Click on the #Gamergate link in the You Tube video below to jump to that spot.
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I've been following #gamergate since this shit blew up. It's basically a bunch of entitled misogynistic man children who have decided to use the power of the internet to attack women under the guise of redeeming journalistic integrity. It's absolutely disgusting.
#267
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Talk about it! Those dudes are so transparent that it's laughable.
#268
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Last week there was a slew of editorials against these people. From, oh, almost every major website. On around the same day.
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I'd never even heard of this story before this podcast. Don't know how I missed it.
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#272
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That wouldn't surprise me at all, there's a reason he's cast in the roles hes cast in
#273
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Yep, and the bulk of it was manufactured entirely by 4chan. Then a bunch of hangers on and actual idiots joined in. Pretty gross.
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I actually have a friend who's been parroting the comments about improving gaming journalism and whatnot, I told my friend that if that's really their goal, they need to separate themselves from the asshats who are talking about hate raping Zoe Quinn.