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Old 07-04-13, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fumanstan View Post
Even more reason to criticize. Maybe they shouldn't have made such a drastic change from the initial pitch that people wanted to support. Sorry, but it just seems like you're full of excuses for them.
The only thing they pitched was "an adventure game." They're still delivering an adventure game, so I don't see the "drastic change" from the pitch you're suggesting. Nearly every game that has received more money than initially asked for has expanded the scope of the game. In this case, the expansion included the concept and story as well, since those weren't defined in the Kickstarter.

If they had kept with a $300K game and simply pocketed the rest, I think many people would've seen that as a cheat. They did mention that the scope, budget, and schedule of the game would be expanded well before the Kickstarter ended, so if there were people who initially pledged for the smaller game and didn't want the bigger game, they had the opportunity to revoke their pledge.

Irrelevant to the current discussion, since that's not what happened.
I brought it up because you specified the monetary amount, as if going over on a budget of several million qualifies as bad management in and of itself. I think it's more important to look at how they're managing the budget overrun, rather than focus on the monetary amounts. I will say that designing a game 4x bigger than expected is pretty bad. But I do feel that they're managing that overdesign in a rather good way; one that doesn't drastically reduce scope, while also not asking current backers for more money, giving them the full game (eventually), while also looking for ways to fund the overage themselves and aquire more funds.
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Sorry Tim, I'm sure your game will be fantastic.
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Originally Posted by Jay G. View Post
For me, the way I look at the change is: how does it affect me? As a backer, as far as I can tell, the only effect is that I'm getting a bigger than expected game released at a later than expected date, but that I'll be able to play the first half sooner than that, if so desired. For whatever mistakes they've made, they're still trying to do good by the backers of the game.
If could affect you if they get so little revenue from Steam Early Access that they're unable to complete the second Act of the game. The chances of that are pretty low, but it's still possible.

Personally, I still have confidence that they'll release a quality product, but as an "investor", I feel that I've made a bad decision given what we've been told about the development. I've learned my lesson and won't back another Double Fine project. If they produce another adventure game, either self-funded or through Kickstarter, I'll just wait until it releases.
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If could affect you if they get so little revenue from Steam Early Access that they're unable to complete the second Act of the game. The chances of that are pretty low, but it's still possible.
See, that's not how I interpreted the announcement. I don't think part 2 is dependent on part 1 sales at all. In fact, in the backer video, Tim specifically mentions that he wants to avoid a situation where whether part 2 is completed is dependent on part 1 sales.

The relatively short gap between the release of part 1 and part 2 indicates, to me, that they'll be working on part 2 before part 1 is even released. So far, they've been using the studio's funds from the revenue from the sales of other games to complete the gap, but there's a line in the backer video about "we need to be fair to both the game and to the studio overall". My understanding is that the decision to release part 1 early wasn't "we need to do this or we can't fund the rest of the game," but "we can continue to poor the excess revenue we're getting into the game, but let's see if there's a way to have the game itself start generating revenue before it's fully completed."

Originally Posted by shizawn View Post
Personally, I still have confidence that they'll release a quality product, but as an "investor", I feel that I've made a bad decision given what we've been told about the development. I've learned my lesson and won't back another Double Fine project. If they produce another adventure game, either self-funded or through Kickstarter, I'll just wait until it releases.
Personally, I'll wait for the finished project before funding another Double Fine adventure game. I didn't back Massive Chalice, because that game genre doesn't interest me much. If Broken Age is a quality game, then I'd be interested in another one from them, but I hope they would address upfront some of the issues Broken Age faced and how they plan to address them in the new game (having an existing adventure game engine will likely help though).
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Originally Posted by Jay G. View Post
The relatively short gap between the release of part 1 and part 2 indicates, to me, that they'll be working on part 2 before part 1 is even released. So far, they've been using the studio's funds from the revenue from the sales of other games to complete the gap, but there's a line in the backer video about "we need to be fair to both the game and to the studio overall". My understanding is that the decision to release part 1 early wasn't "we need to do this or we can't fund the rest of the game," but "we can continue to poor the excess revenue we're getting into the game, but let's see if there's a way to have the game itself start generating revenue before it's fully completed."
I don't get how their revised timeline fits their original story. If the game would have to go through 2015 as it stood, how is this multi-part strategy going to get it almost a year earlier, without cutting 75% of the scope like they mentioned? It doesn't make sense to me. I think they are struggling to come up with plans that will let them release something before they are insolvent. It's not like they have any hot games in the pipeline, right? Brutal Legend on PC? Big whoop; it wasn't that popular when it was originally released. The Cave? Are they really still seeing any significant sales of that?

If anything, I think this is a reminder as to why publishers exist. It seems that even some experienced developers can't manage their ways out of a wet paper bag.

Of course, Harebrained (Shadowrun Returns) and inXile (Wasteland 2, Torment) seem to counter that trend. Everything I've seen from them seems to indicate they're doing a fairly decent job.

I've definitely changed my approach to Kickstarter, though. I don't back video games unless it is a ridiculous deal. I'll just wait until release.
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I don't get how their revised timeline fits their original story. If the game would have to go through 2015 as it stood, how is this multi-part strategy going to get it almost a year earlier, without cutting 75% of the scope like they mentioned?
I think they're cutting some scope, just not 75%. I'd guess maybe like third. Although maybe they're counting on some improvements in efficiency now that all the tools are built and such.

Originally Posted by Duran View Post
I think they are struggling to come up with plans that will let them release something before they are insolvent. It's not like they have any hot games in the pipeline, right? Brutal Legend on PC? Big whoop; it wasn't that popular when it was originally released. The Cave? Are they really still seeing any significant sales of that?
Double Fine is split into about 3-4 teams, each working on a game. Broken Age is one. They also just finished a Kickstarter for Massive Chalice, so that's another team. They're also working on a game called Dropchord for PC, so that's another game. They may have another game they're working on in secret, funded by a publisher.

As for Brutal Legend on PC, they actually saw a sizable amount of revenue from that (an amount is given in the backer video). However, I doubt they're seeing any additional revenue from The Cave, as that was published by Sega, so Double Fine likely won't see any revenue from that aside from what they got paid to make the game.
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re: Broken Age - New Double Fine Adventure Game Project on Kickstarter

Next Tuesday we're going to party like it's October 2012! Part One of Broken Age actually arrives 1/14/14. Looking forward to pointing & clicking it (finally).
Old 01-11-14, 08:48 AM
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Finally!
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Game is downloaded - should be able to play a little bit of it at lunch today.
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Originally Posted by Liver&Onions View Post
Game is downloaded - should be able to play a little bit of it at lunch today.
I didn't get an email, but I was able to get the game from my Humble Bundle account using this method:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...omment-5645258
Ok, I didn't receive any emails but I've got the game and soundtrack. This is how:
1. Sign into Humble Bundle.
2. In your game library page, there will be a section called "Claim Past Purchases" on the very top. There's a small "+" button in a top right corner of it. Click it.
3. There should be "Broken Age ($xx Tier)" in there. Click "Redeem" and it will be added to a list of your purchases at the very bottom of that page, in section "Widget Purchases".
4. Click it and you'll see a page that allows to download soundtrack and add game beta to your Steam account.
Edit: And of course, I get my email shortly after posting this.

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Look forward to reading everyone's reviews of the game.
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Played Vella's side for about 20 minutes. So far no major puzzles, but the art/voice/music is great. Looking forward to diving into it more.
Old 01-15-14, 02:38 AM
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I haven't gotten anything

Any of the Humble Bundle "tricks" don't work for me either. Hmph.
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Originally Posted by Liver&Onions View Post
Played Vella's side for about 20 minutes. So far no major puzzles, but the art/voice/music is great. Looking forward to diving into it more.
I played about an hour last night. I started with the other side, can't recall his name. I think I finished it, or at least finished what you do at first as the game switched over to Vella's side for me. The voices and look of the game are well done. I enjoyed it.. The puzzles weren't terribly difficult, but a couple of times I did have to stop and think about what I needed to do.
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I also played through Shay's side first. Love the voice work and the music. Looking forward to continuing with Vella's side tonight.
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One thing I don't like is the inventory system. I found myself clicking on an item to use it instead of dragging it. Clicking it brings up an explanation of the item, sometimes with some associated animation, which becomes annoying if when you keep accidentally clicking, particularly if there's a timed puzzle. Just something I have to get used to.
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I just started Shay's side. WTF? I've only played the first few minutes or so, but this is what has taken so long? I'll give it a go, but so far I am not impressed.

I realize I'm not far enough in for a final judgment, but in my experience the best games I've played often wowed me from the get-go. This looked like an indie developer's game that I got as a bonus on one of those bundles.
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Still no code
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Completed Act 1 after around 4 hours. My overall impression is that it's an ok game, but nothing special. Most of the puzzles were not all that inspiring and the story, what we've seen, just hasn't grabbed me.
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Still no code
Are you sure you're checking the right email account? It has to be the one you used for Kickstarter, which is not necessarily the same as the one you use for Humble Bundle. Note that if you changed the email associated with your Kickstarter account since then, the email may have still been sent to the original email address you had used when you first backed the project.

On the Double Fine Backer forums, some people are saying they found the email with they key in their Spam folder.
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Are you sure you're checking the right email account? It has to be the one you used for Kickstarter, which is not necessarily the same as the one you use for Humble Bundle. Note that if you changed the email associated with your Kickstarter account since then, the email may have still been sent to the original email address you had used when you first backed the project.

On the Double Fine Backer forums, some people are saying they found the email with they key in their Spam folder.
Yup, only one email address I use. And not in spam. A lot of people on their Kickstarter page comments are saying the same thing about not receiving a code.

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Yup, only one email address I use. And not in spam. A lot of people on their Kickstarter page comments are saying the same thing about not receiving a code.
Which methods have you tried? Did you try the key resender?
https://www.humblebundle.com/?s=resender

You don't have any type of filter on your emails that might be deleting the email or moving it to somewhere else, right?

Some people in the Kickstarter comments have reported getting it fixed by contacting Humble Bundle support:
http://support.humblebundle.com/
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Yup, tried the key resender. And no, no filters. You don't have to help, I know what i'm doing and have read all the suggested solutions already. Just venting. . But yeah, I already contacted Humble Bundle support and there's a few days wait. Pretty annoying.
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Yup, tried the key resender. And no, no filters. You don't have to help, I know what i'm doing and have read all the suggested solutions already. Just venting. . But yeah, I already contacted Humble Bundle support and there's a few days wait. Pretty annoying.
How do you know it'll be a few days? Did Humble Support say that?
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How do you know it'll be a few days? Did Humble Support say that?
Sorry, I meant few days for a reply from support.

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