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edstein 06-14-11 01:35 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 10816559)
If we weren't in all these wars around the world, I guarantee you some other genre would be king right now.

If the 360 supported a keyboard and mouse then you might see MMO and RTS games rising the charts.

Groucho 06-14-11 01:36 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 
Keyboard and mouse doesn't play well from the couch.

flashburn 06-14-11 03:09 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 10816639)
Keyboard and mouse doesn't play well from the couch.

I keep hearing this, but it's fine for me.

chuckd21 06-14-11 03:11 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 
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RichC2 06-14-11 03:33 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 
There's always these complaints. FPS games work well because the core gameplay mechanics are spot-on -- change the guns, locales and story and you're good to go, it's fun as hell and is a shoe-in for multiplayer. Plus they're relatively easy to pick up and play.

I had the same issue on the N64 when it was nothing but repetitive, boring platformers week after week. Similarly suffered through fighter fatigue.

Unfortunately a big problem with all of this is how much it costs to make a game with mass appeal. FPS games are generally a safe bet so they get the most action, adventure games have been relegated to episodic games, RPGs used to be engaging but plot has seemingly taken a backseat to gathering and stat building, they've frankly become a total bore.

Michael Corvin 06-14-11 03:43 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 10816839)
I had the same issue on the N64 when it was nothing but repetitive, boring platformers week after week. Similarly suffered through fighter fatigue.

I call bullshit. There wasn't any period of time where the N64 got any releases week after week. :)

mhg83 06-14-11 04:12 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by edstein (Post 10816636)
If the 360 supported a keyboard and mouse then you might see MMO and RTS games rising the charts.


Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 10816639)
Keyboard and mouse doesn't play well from the couch.


Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 10816800)
I keep hearing this, but it's fine for me.

If the Wii U takes its online seriously, MMOs are perfect for the system. All of your hotkeys and inventory would be accessible through the touchscreen. No need for mouse and keyboard.

flashburn 06-14-11 04:31 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by mhg83 (Post 10816900)
If the Wii U takes its online seriously, MMOs are perfect for the system. All of your hotkeys and inventory would be accessible through the touchscreen. No need for mouse and keyboard.

Coming soon to WiiU: Super Mario World Online.

foxdvd 06-14-11 04:48 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 
I keep saying some game should take advantage of the xbox/ps3 chat pad....it is perfect for hot keys..but I guess no one cares, or maybe xbox/ps3 will not let them...

fumanstan 06-14-11 04:52 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by foxdvd (Post 10816946)
I keep saying some game should take advantage of the xbox/ps3 chat pad....it is perfect for hot keys..but I guess no one cares, or maybe xbox/ps3 will not let them...

That sounds like it would be a pretty good idea to me; getting an accessory out there that isn't too expensive would help a lot, although controls are probably equally a constraint for MMO's as some of the other reasons out there (another monthly fee, timely updates)

fumanstan 06-14-11 04:53 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 10816926)
Coming soon to WiiU: Super Mario World Online.

With all the different power ups over the years in the Mario series, a simplistic MMO with Mii characters that let you run around using various Mario power ups actually seems incredibly entertaining to me.

RichC2 06-14-11 05:01 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 
If they had a Mario MMO that was kind of like a never-ending LittleBigPlanet/Mario Galaxy I think it'd be successful enough. Add some Paper Mario / Super Mario RPG elements.

Groucho 06-14-11 05:05 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 
The ideal Nintendo franchise for an MMO is Pokemon.

xmiyux 06-14-11 05:12 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 10816976)
The ideal Nintendo franchise for an MMO is Pokemon.

Heck yeah.

Bring back some elements from Snap and Arena.

fumanstan 06-14-11 05:13 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 
Pokemon is the bottom of the barrel!

Liver&Onions 06-14-11 05:22 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 
My apologies to fumanstan for having an opinion and stating it as such.

fumanstan 06-14-11 05:31 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by Liver&Onions (Post 10816998)
My apologies to fumanstan for having an opinion and stating it as such.

You're excused.

NiCK Crush 06-15-11 04:43 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 
Wii U is officially not supporting Blu-ray. Fuck.

kefrank 06-15-11 04:52 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by NiCK Crush (Post 10818406)
Wii U is officially not supporting Blu-ray. Fuck.

I don't think this is surprising at all. What does Nintendo really have to gain by supporting Blu-ray playback in the console?

Groucho 06-15-11 04:54 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 
It would be awesome to be watching a Blu-Ray and then transfar it to the Tablet Controller when your wife comes in and wants to watch House Porn.

Drexl 06-15-11 04:55 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by NiCK Crush (Post 10818406)
Wii U is officially not supporting Blu-ray. Fuck.

I certainly wouldn't have expected it anyway. This system is supposed to be on the level of what's already out, maybe a little better, isn't it? BD hasn't shown itself to be necessary for storage of today's games, save for a few exceptions, and Nintendo seems to always hold back something in their consoles.

kefrank 06-15-11 05:02 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by Drexl (Post 10818422)
I certainly wouldn't have expected it anyway. This system is supposed to be on the level of what's already out, maybe a little better, isn't it? BD hasn't shown itself to be necessary for storage of today's games, save for a few exceptions, and Nintendo seems to always hold back something in their consoles.

Given that they've announced the discs will hold up to 25GB, I will bet money that the optical medium for the WiiU is single-layer Blu-ray discs that simply have a proprietary filesystem which does not conform to the Blu-ray specs. This allows them to get low-cost replication since any Blu-ray line could produce them, but frees them from licensing fees and other costs associated with supporting Blu-ray playback in the console.

NiCK Crush 06-15-11 05:04 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 10818418)
I don't think this is surprising at all. What does Nintendo really have to gain by supporting Blu-ray playback in the console?

Getting with the times? Getting it out of the way?


Originally Posted by Drexl (Post 10818422)
I certainly wouldn't have expected it anyway. This system is supposed to be on the level of what's already out, maybe a little better, isn't it? BD hasn't shown itself to be necessary for storage of today's games, save for a few exceptions, and Nintendo seems to always hold back something in their consoles.

Not that I'm surprised, just thought there was a better shot for it than years past.

Drexl 06-15-11 05:11 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 10818430)
Given that they've announced the discs will hold up to 25GB, I will bet money that the optical medium for the WiiU is single-layer Blu-ray discs that simply have a proprietary filesystem which does not conform to the Blu-ray specs. This allows them to get low-cost replication since any Blu-ray line could produce them, but frees them from licensing fees and other costs associated with supporting Blu-ray playback in the console.

Plus it would provide better protection against piracy, which I'd bet is the biggest reason.

kefrank 06-15-11 05:27 PM

Re: The Official E3 Expo 2011 Thread (June 6-9, 2011)
 

Originally Posted by NiCK Crush (Post 10818433)
Getting with the times? Getting it out of the way?

Nah, Nintendo is a business. Neither of those has anything to do with their bottom line. Their reasoning is very practical - why spend money to add a capability that nearly all of their customers who would care about it have in another component already?


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