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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by RocShemp
(Post 11124757)
That's not news. In fact, the DLC character and his quest being free only on the CE was one of the chief selling points. :shrug:
Originally Posted by pinata242
(Post 11125431)
Where do you draw the line for a character that "should have" been included on the disc? I feel like there's more than enough in ME2 already. I tried them all out, but always stuck with the same two that complimented my style anyway. So it's really a moot point.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by atxbomber
(Post 11125469)
It's a good thing everyone plays the game exactly the same as you then.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by pinata242
(Post 11125431)
Where do you draw the line for a character that "should have" been included on the disc? I feel like there's more than enough in ME2 already. I tried them all out, but always stuck with the same two that complimented my style anyway. So it's really a moot point.
Originally Posted by pinata242
(Post 11125574)
If you want to use them all in a rotation, that's great for you, but it doesn't mean you're owed anything but the game you paid for.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
So if they develop it, they would be better to sit on it for an artificial delay than offer it day 1. Got it.
Btw, none of the loyalty missions are part of the main story, on disc or not. You cannot simply say this should or should not be included because you don't like the monetization of optional content. You know, if you get less than you expect on disc, then you can make a case. Two weeks before it launches is a bit... whiney. |
Re: Mass Effect 3
So only the "main story" and no side missions should be included in the $60 price tag for a new RPG? If they want to sell it that way, more power to them. If people want to buy it that way, great! I'll be checking out of that process, though.
My concern is not with being whiny or having a sense of entitlement. My concern is feeling taken advantage of as a consumer, seemingly a little bit more with each passing month. A breaking point will eventually be reached. I can save the argument for two weeks and then repeat it if that makes you feel better. ;) |
Re: Mass Effect 3
That would be more appropriate, thanks. And you're not fooling anyone when you say that it's only "main story" missions since there's a whole galaxy of side quests and planets out there that don't revolve specifically around the side characters. Are they the best? Yes. Are they essential? No. Is having 10 instead of 11 on disc a cause for lighting up the torches? Apparently.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by pinata242
(Post 11125748)
That would be more appropriate, thanks. And you're not fooling anyone when you say that it's only "main story" missions since there's a whole galaxy of side quests and planets out there that don't revolve specifically around the side characters. Are they the best? Yes. Are they essential? No. Is having 10 instead of 11 on disc a cause for lighting up the torches? Apparently.
Is it not ok to question the motives and business practices of large corporations that want as much of your money as possible? |
Re: Mass Effect 3
Oh, I didn't realize you had a rational mathematical formula there. Yes, I suppose that as time approaches infinity, the value of $60 will tend to decrease. BUT IT IS NOT THIS DAY!
I'm gonna get $60 out of the disc. And I'll use the $20 credit down the line making some other game even more valuable as I fight off the evil corporate overlords hell bent on destroying my evenings. |
Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by MoviePage
(Post 11125414)
On day one (i.e., developed as part of the game but withheld for extra profit)?.
It's possible that it was developed and ready to go, but there are also cases where gold masters are pressed weeks or months prior and remaining content is completed afterwards for release in time for a planned day one patch, or day one DLC. This is becoming quite normal because of all the online capabilities these days to give developers a bit more time. I don't disagree that there are monetary incentives in many cases, but blanketly saying that content was ready to go and intentionally withheld just because its available on Day 1 just isn't always true. I know this for a fact :shrug: |
Re: Mass Effect 3
Of course I don't know for a fact that it's true. But when content that's pretty obviously vital to the main story is available as day-one DLC and is used as a bonus incentive to increase sales of the CE, I'll just say that my skepticism tends to favor the consumer side of the issue rather than the corporate side.
I really don't want to further derail this thread. I just know that I'm now having second thoughts about a full-price release day purchase because of this issue, and if it wasn't a ME title I'd absolutely rule it out as I have with several other games in the past year. To get back on topic: the underwhelming demo is contributing to my second thoughts about paying full price for this game. I wanted to enjoy it, but I'd be lying if I said that I did. Also, Liara > Tali. |
Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by MoviePage
(Post 11125970)
the underwhelming demo is contributing to my second thoughts about paying full price for this game. I wanted to enjoy it, but I'd be lying if I said that I did.
I was cool with the demo but it did feel a bit slapped together. Understandable since they only included a tutorial level and an obviously truncated (you can tell there's a hug middle section that was removed from the second half of the demo) later level.
Originally Posted by MoviePage
(Post 11125970)
Liara > Tali.
Characterwise? Hell no! Liara is the Lana Lang (Smallville version) of the Mass Effect Universe. Just so bland. |
Re: Mass Effect 3
I love the games Bioware makes, but this is the same company that released Dragon Age and forced you to talk to two characters to do some side missions and when you said yes prompted you to the market place to buy these missions day one. It was as forced as you can get into the game. I love their games, and will buy them because they are good. I don't like day one dlc that is pushed in your face in the actual game. Not sure how Mass Effect 3 will work. If playing the game I never hear about this extra character or mission I will be fine. I might even buy it. If (like Dragon Age) at some point they tell you about the character and this great mission you have to do, and then ask you to buy the dlc in game, I will not purchase it.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Also, Liara kicked ass as a character when it came to combat. Her powers were amazing in Mass 1. Tali never seemed worth taking. I agree with Rock though that Tali is a much more interesting and fleshed out character. It probably has to do with how much I want to see the bitch...lol..
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by MoviePage
(Post 11125970)
Of course I don't know for a fact that it's true. But when content that's pretty obviously vital to the main story is available as day-one DLC and is used as a bonus incentive to increase sales of the CE, I'll just say that my skepticism tends to favor the consumer side of the issue rather than the corporate side.
EDIT: For what its worth, this is Bioware's response on their forums. http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass...9403705-1.html There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... - “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE. - The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box. - The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification. - The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game. |
Re: Mass Effect 3
I will only be buying the DLC. The main game sounds like a rip off in comparison.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by fumanstan
(Post 11124922)
Yeah, the ad for the CE has always mentioned "Additional Downloadable Mission & Characters". http://www.masseffect.com/about/collectors/ Mass Effect 3 Collector's Edition More details Premium metal case featuring male and female Commander Shepard 70-page hardbound art book Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics Fabric N7 patch. Exclusive 4x6 lithographic print of the SR-2 Alliance Normandy Additional in-game content including N7 Arsenal Pack - Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol. Squad alternate appearance pack Robotic Dog for on board the Normandy Mass Effect 3 digital soundtrack. N7 Collector's Edition includes a premium metal case, hardbound art book, limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics, fabric N7 patch, exclusive 4" x 6" lithographic print, digital soundtrack and a collection of in-game content Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard 70-page hardbound art book featuring hundreds of unique and gorgeous illustrations from the BioWare development team Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics, complete with unique cover artwork Join the ranks of the N7 with the premium fabric N7 patch Exclusive 4" x 6" lithographic print featuring a one-of-a-kind piece of artwork |
Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by Deftones
(Post 11126400)
Not to be argumentative here, but the sites that are selling the game say nothing about missions. This is from Gamestop: http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/gam...d=ppc_60000001
This is from Best Buy: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Mass+Eff...ible&lp=2&cp=1 I had no idea there was going to be basically "DLC" with the collectors edition. I was on the fence about paying $20 extras for things I probably wouldn't use, so I didn't buy it. Had I known there as game content that wasn't just costumes or other frivolous shit, I would've purchased it. :shrug: |
Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by foxdvd
(Post 11126059)
Also, Liara kicked ass as a character when it came to combat. Her powers were amazing in Mass 1. Tali never seemed worth taking. I agree with Rock though that Tali is a much more interesting and fleshed out character. It probably has to do with how much I want to see the bitch...lol..
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by chuckd21
(Post 11126506)
So you saved $20 and now only have to pay $10 for the content.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by pinata242
(Post 11126517)
And who pays $10 for $10 in points? Plus you can wait for the eventual New Year's Countdown sale like the deep cuts the ME2 DLC got.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by fumanstan
(Post 11126183)
Nothing about the description makes it sound "obviously vital to the main story" to me :shrug:
Spoiler:
isn't vital to the lore and story. Unless that character's dialogue/story/mission are very poorly written and fleshed out, which is also possible, I suppose.
Originally Posted by foxdvd
(Post 11126059)
Also, Liara kicked ass as a character when it came to combat. Her powers were amazing in Mass 1. Tali never seemed worth taking. I agree with Rock though that Tali is a much more interesting and fleshed out character. It probably has to do with how much I want to see the bitch...lol..
Spoiler:
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by pinata242
(Post 11125763)
Oh, I didn't realize you had a rational mathematical formula there. Yes, I suppose that as time approaches infinity, the value of $60 will tend to decrease. BUT IT IS NOT THIS DAY!
I'm gonna get $60 out of the disc. And I'll use the $20 credit down the line making some other game even more valuable as I fight off the evil corporate overlords hell bent on destroying my evenings. |
Re: Mass Effect 3
Amazon. I pre-ordered over a year ago.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by MoviePage
(Post 11126680)
If you've played ME1 and ME2, it's hard to imagine a scenario in which a
Spoiler:
isn't vital to the lore and story. Unless that character's dialogue/story/mission are very poorly written and fleshed out, which is also possible, I suppose. They could have had Geth without Legion. |
Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by chuckd21
(Post 11126506)
So you saved $20 and now only have to pay $10 for the content.
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