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RichC2 01-26-21 09:28 PM

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Yep. My friends are all dipping their toes in, one has made a few hundred thousand. Good on em.

Friday and Monday are gonna be shitshows

spainlinx0 01-27-21 08:43 AM

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Yes, I got in when it was around $38 a share, but only for a few shares with money I had laying around in my Robin Hood account. So it may end up helping offset some future expenses, but nothing I can retire over unfortunately. I vow to follow r/wallstreetbets more closely in the future, and promptly lose all my gains at a later date.

RichC2 01-27-21 09:31 AM

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I love the "I started with $20k, made it to $1k and got back to $20k and still know nothing." posts on there :lol:

But 2 million+ person buying force is something to be reckoned with

cultshock 01-27-21 10:50 AM

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Two hedge funds that were short selling the stock finally surrendered and bailed out today after losing billions. :lol: Now the same thing is happening with AMC. I don't pretend to understand all of this, but from what I've read it seems like smaller investors are organizing these mass stock purchases on Reddit forums as revenge on Wall Street short sellers.

Jeremy517 01-27-21 10:54 AM

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It will be interesting to see when this all ends. One of biggest shorters, Melvin Capital, supposedly just liquidated. Eventually all the shorts will either cover or be liquidated. After that happens, you don't want to be holding any shares.

Trying to time the top in a parabolic market is very risky and basically impossible. A lot of people celebrating their profit now will end up in the red. I love that some hedge funds are taking huge hits after manipulating the markets illegally for years, but this can't end well for every single retail trader.

fujishig 01-27-21 10:55 AM

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Are people still holding? I would have locked up at least most of my gain already.

cultshock 01-27-21 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy517 (Post 13881948)
II love that some hedge funds are taking huge hits after manipulating the markets illegally for years,

:up:

If I had jumped in on this (wish I had), I'd definitely be jumping out now.

nickdawgy 01-27-21 12:52 PM

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Lol. It’s up to $331 now. I wish I knew about how the market works.

Obi-Wanma 01-27-21 01:14 PM

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I bought $200 worth of AMC this morning. Right now I'm up about $70

RichC2 01-27-21 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nickdawgy (Post 13881988)
Lol. It’s up to $331 now. I wish I knew about how the market works.

My understanding of it in Gamestop's case, it was hedge funds writing too many options.

My boring, probably wrong explanation:
Spoiler:

One of the main ways to short-sell a company (bet against it) is to write contracts and sell them (these are known as "options"). These basically say "If you pay us $xx amount, we owe you 100 shares of GME for, let's say, $20/share". The expectation here is the stock won't get up to that $20 price before it expires (at which point the hedge fund keeps the money), if it's above $20, it's "In the Money" and they must give you 100 shares of the stock at $20/share. So even if the stock is at $355 - if you had a $20 contract, they owe you 100 shares at $20/share.

Looks like this:

Left side are "Call" options which is where the the hedge funds sell the contracts, you expect the stock will hit the price in the middle. The ones on the right are "Put" options, which are similar to covered shorts with even less risk, so you can short a stock without the risk of losing everything.

These are the ones expiring this Friday. The prices are price per share, each contract is 100 shares, so the actual price for the call 320 strike option is $10,490.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...a57867118a.png

Those got oversold, severely, to the amount of 140% to the number of actual available shares, and the hedge funds didn't have the stocks to make good on the contracts.

So the stock was already getting higher due to /r/wsb interest, once the guy from Chewy joined the board the stock hit this place where all the available "Call" options were "In the money", and the hedge funds could no longer easily buy shares to cover them. The guys on reddit figured this out and began what's known as a Short Squeeze -- the Hedge Funds had millions of shares they had to buy and nobody was selling, so they had to offer more and more money for shares, and people kept holding out, and continue to do so. That's why the stock went up as quickly as it did, and to as high as it did for short periods of time. That's now compounded by general interest because they can't. stop. talking. about. it.

Options exercise at 4:00 PM every Friday, or whenever people manually do it. As such, the hedge fund folks have to buy the shares, at whatever price is asked, especially now that almost every available share is bought up and being held. If the stock is still above $320 on Friday at 4:00 pm, there's a good chance things are going to go sideways (the hedge fund firms claim to have all their shorts covered, but many, many people are calling them out on that.) It could also just as easily come crashing down. They reference it as a YOLO for this reason.

I've been staring at my stocks a lot today :lol: and fwiw, what happened with /r/wsb IS normally illegal in financial institutions/hedge funds, but since it's just a message board and nobody was being directed to do anything, just suggested, there's nothing that can technically be done about it.

fujishig 01-27-21 03:01 PM

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But basically you could also be left holding the bag if the shorts get covered for real, right? And what does this do to their stock price after that?

RichC2 01-27-21 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 13882049)
But basically you could also be left holding the bag if the shorts get covered for real, right? And what does this do to their stock price after that?

Absolutely, at which point it's a race to the bottom. Unless everyone agrees to hold for another week and try it again, which is unlikely.

The stock would probably return to its earlier values, around $20. $0 is the bottom in a sell off, but those redditors are pretty loyal to this stock, so it may actually take a breather around $70.

But yeah, this isn't playing the stock market, it's high stakes chicken.

Why So Blu? 01-27-21 03:19 PM

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Surprised none of you have watched The Big Short. This is what's happening but instead of the mortgage industry, it's individual corporations that are getting shorted. Also, Elon Musk really needs to stop mentioning companies and whatnot. This is also pumping up speculation on what stocks people should buy. He's gonna be one of the first people scrutinized for "market manipulation.

spainlinx0 01-27-21 03:23 PM

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Melvin Capital has fully not liquidated their position. They have liquidated a small fraction at best. There has not been enough movement of the stock to facilitate them covering all their short positions.

RichC2 01-27-21 03:33 PM

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That is the general consensus.


Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 13882060)
Surprised none of you have watched The Big Short. This is what's happening but instead of the mortgage industry, it's individual corporations that are getting shorted. Also, Elon Musk really needs to stop mentioning companies and whatnot. This is also pumping up speculation on what stocks people should buy. He's gonna be one of the first people scrutinized for "market manipulation.

​​​​​​​That was the first thing that came to mind for me

DJariya 01-27-21 04:50 PM

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I’m not sure I get the gist of this GameStop thing. Sounds like it’s some kind of stock market scam. If someone can explain this in English for those who don’t follow the stock market, I would love some insight.

dex14 01-27-21 05:01 PM

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RichC2 01-27-21 05:03 PM

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Basically, Hedge funds were selling stocks they didn't have to sell (140% guaranteed over what was actually available).

/r/wallstreetbets and other investors bought up the actual available shares and are holding those shares hostage when it comes time for the Hedge Fund to pay up. This is driving the price up an insane amount.

Initial enthusiasm about GameStop triggered it, but it no longer has much to do with them.

I think the Selena Gomez sequence may be a better explanation of this particular phenomenon, kind of (its still different). Though I do prefer the Margot Robbie scene.

Decker 01-27-21 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 13882122)
I’m not sure I get the gist of this GameStop thing. Sounds like it’s some kind of stock market scam. If someone can explain this in English for those who don’t follow the stock market, I would love some insight.

This Guardian article seems to explain it the best.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...il-wall-street

Jeremy517 01-28-21 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 13882060)
Also, Elon Musk really needs to stop mentioning companies and whatnot. This is also pumping up speculation on what stocks people should buy. He's gonna be one of the first people scrutinized for "market manipulation.

I know Musk has had some iffy tweets in the past, but I highly doubt he has any GME. He wouldn't have made that tweet if he did. If he doesn't have any GME, his tweet is perfectly fine.

Why So Blu? 01-28-21 11:09 AM

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This one also explains it, as well:


https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/w...162734056.html

Rival11 01-28-21 01:10 PM

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So what wall street is doing is still illegal isn't it?? I mean, how are they allowed to stop you from trading on specific stocks? It's because billionaires are starting to lose out right and by stopping the trading it will allow them to get out.

Just in general, I'm not sure how WS is allowed to do what they're doing.

I don't have the most knowledge when it comes to this stuff but in the black and white.....it seems like what they're doing is illegal.

RichC2 01-28-21 01:40 PM

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Yeah, what's happening now should very much be illegal, but a little money and power goes a long way.

K&AJones 01-28-21 02:09 PM

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In a nut shell....these High & Mighty Elitist on Wall Street thought it was going to be business as usual and they make a lot of $$$ and everyone laugh it up....well a group of people...those paying attention...on Reddit saw and knew exactlly what was happening and played the same game except turned the tables on these Hedge Funds blindsiding them and taking their pants, shirt, shoes and underwear and any and everything else....

...so what do they do...well since Wall Street...and Big Tech...are alll buddy-buddy....Hedgefunds that lost the clothes off their back went to Media and The Big Heads on Wall Street and shut this down including the Trading App - Robinhood.....basically, THEY and only THEY are allowed to do this, someone else (outsiders) played by the same rules, cleaned their clocks, they thru a temper-tantrum and even some company has pulled The Server linking Robinhood claiming...ready...violates their code and labeled it Hate Speech and Threat....no joke...

I find it odd that some single stock that was basically called trash, hardly a blimp, concern suddenly is in the entire Financial Spotlight, has some Democrats Attention and White House Monitoring...

White House Is Monitoring GameStop Stock Situation; AOC And Elizabeth Warren Weigh In
The situation surrounding GameStop's stock price has caught the attention of Biden's White House. .
White House Is Monitoring GameStop Stock Situation; AOC And Elizabeth Warren Weigh In - GameSpot

fujishig 01-28-21 02:17 PM

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I think it's less that Wall Street and Big Tech are buddy buddy and more that Robin Hood is at least partially owned/beholden to Wall Street.


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