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Ocelot 01-24-08 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Trevor
One great thing about the 360 is the fantastic Xbox Live service. $50 or less gets you 13 months of:

- Demos of just about everything. I checked the other day and there were like 120 demos of retail games, and 110 XBLA arcade games, which are often great.
- Chatting (voice only or video) with friends while you play games, or anything else on the 360. Last night, I was playing Call of Duty 4, chatting with my friend in Mexico, and downloading demos in the background. No hiccups at all.
- Multiplayer games, content download, leaderboards. Almost every game has some online component. I'm not a big gamer, and don't play multi-player very often, but XBox Live and XBLA is the bees knees.


That's cool for you, but for some of us, $50 a year can buy a quarter million life insurance... So, no thanks, i prefer "free" on-line play. If not, i'll use my 48 hours cards :) As for contents, you can access them FREE (you don't have to pay M$ to download demos), just a clarification ;).

Ocelot 01-24-08 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I wonder if both companies are doing the same thing. MS waiting for Sony to charge and Sony waiting for MS to go free. :lol:


I highly doubt M$ is gonna waive the on-line play fees... but i highly doubt Sony gonna offer FREE on-line play after Resistance 2's release. That game's on-line play will kill any current on-line feature. Just read this month's GameInformer, no doubt that R2:UWF will be a system seller. So, most likely, Sony gonna charge people :( (they better have those 48 hours cards handy).

Trevor 01-24-08 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Ocelot
That's cool for you, but for some of us, $50 a year can buy a quarter million life insurance... So, no thanks, i prefer "free" on-line play. If not, i'll use my 48 hours cards :) As for contents, you can access them FREE (you don't have to pay M$ to download demos), just a clarification ;).

Good point, you can get most of what I mentioned for free w/ a silver, or by juggling the 48 hour cards.

But I wait for sales on the 13 month cards, have always found them for about $30. But for me, the hassle of not having an always-on paid membership (and dealing with the limitations of silver and/or juggling 48 hour cards) is worth at least $100 a year. Or, if Microsoft is listening, I'll never pay more than $25 a year!

Ocelot 01-24-08 02:35 PM

Yeah, $20-$25 is a good range for a full year... well, you can get those "13-months" cards for that price from eBay ;) (they are cheap b/c it's not legit, but they do work).

McHawkson 01-24-08 02:53 PM

$7 a month isn't that bad and it made sense to pay for the bandwidths that Microsoft is paying for. When I controlled 3 servers for my call of duty clan, I had to pay about $120 a month (2 servers in USA and 1 in Netherland) and our members helped with donation.

Trevor 01-24-08 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Ocelot
Yeah, $20-$25 is a good range for a full year... well, you can get those "13-months" cards for that price from eBay ;) (they are cheap b/c it's not legit, but they do work).

I haven't tried ebay yet, always managed to stumble upon them on sale somewhere. TRU clearance, Target clearance, etc.

But I just input my last card, good till 03/09 now. I may buy one soon on ebay if it is indeed an exploit, before they close it. I imagine the fine print says they are for new members only or something?

xmiyux 01-24-08 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Trevor
I haven't tried ebay yet, always managed to stumble upon them on sale somewhere. TRU clearance, Target clearance, etc.

But I just input my last card, good till 03/09 now. I may buy one soon on ebay if it is indeed an exploit, before they close it. I imagine the fine print says they are for new members only or something?

Many of the Ebay scams claim they are for new members only. The number they provide doesn't actually work but when you try to sign up MSoft always gives a new account one month of free Gold service.

So you sign up as a new account with a fake number. Live gives you Gold for free for a month. You think the number worked. One month later you are cut off but the auction is obviously way in the past by then.


If Live went free and maintained the same level of service fine. However i am happy paying 50$ a year to maintain the features i get. I think there needs to be dedicated servers because the p2p hosting is crappy sometimes and service through December sucked horribly. But over the past few years i have been very happy with Live.

Actually, if i could pay 100$ a year and have the guarantee that cheaters/asshats would be either permanently console banned and/or castrated i would buy into that premium service.

Ocelot 01-24-08 03:33 PM

this is a bit OT, but still related to gaming and consoles, since involves on-line gaming...

why do you guys care so much about cheaters and a-holes? if a-holes, just ignore them (there's a ignore list no?), if cheaters, big deal... anyhow, i got less stress, since i rarely play on-line. If i do play on-line (both PS3 or X360), i play with someone i know personally, not just "anyone" yeah, including buddies you know from forums etc... for that reason, you never really see me posting my tags or asking for any ;) Less stress that way...

Michael Corvin 01-24-08 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by McHawkson
$7 a month isn't that bad and it made sense to pay for the bandwidths that Microsoft is paying for. When I controlled 3 servers for my call of duty clan, I had to pay about $120 a month (2 servers in USA and 1 in Netherland) and our members helped with donation.

$7 a month? You pay $84 a year? You're getting robbed.

The auto-renewal is $49.99 for 12 months. That's $4.16 a month. Life insurance aside*, :lol: that's less than one fast food meal a month or half the price of a game rental. Nab it on sale for around $30 and you are looking at a measly $2.50 a month.


*hands down the best argument for Sony's service I have ever seen.

McHawkson 01-24-08 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
$7 a month? You pay $84 a year? You're getting robbed.

The auto-renewal is $49.99 for 12 months. That's $4.16 a month. Life insurance aside*, :lol: that's less than one fast food meal a month or half the price of a game rental. Nab it on sale for around $30 and you are looking at a measly $2.50 a month.


*hands down the best argument for Sony's service I have ever seen.

:lol: Maybe it's not my day today. The correct amount is $4.16 a month, not $7.00. ;)

xmiyux 01-24-08 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
*hands down the best argument for Sony's service I have ever seen.

I have to disagree here. The best argument for Sony ever was the lack of a way to turn the 360 off from a switch on the rear of the console. I forget what thread that gem showed up in but it is my favorite argument in a long long time. :lol:

Parasol Stars 01-24-08 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by coli
I have been playing video games my whole life, but took a breather from them for the past 3-4 years, so I am not up to speed on the PS3, XBox360, WII generation platforms. I am trying to decide which system to get:

-Has this generation of platform games gotten away from the 'arcade' type games that were very popular on '16-bit which were side scrolling games, and on the 32/64-bit which were 3-D type solving games. I guess I am asking are there games out there anymore that are good such that resemble games like Mario, DonkeyKong Country, Sonic, Crash Bandicoot? Or are those games of the past and really not popular anymore?

-Are most games now so massive that solving them shouldn't even be a goal anymore, as you need strategy guides, etc to really solve. Or am I just being too extreme on how I am perceiving them?

-I am leaning towards a PS3 cause that has a BluRay player, and it looks like that is going to be the winner of the Format-War. Yet from what I heard, the XBox360 has better games?

-Games I like: Anything EA Sports (Madden, NHL, TigerWoods, FIFA),
-Which is the best racing game out on the market?
-Any good Sonic, Mario-type games out there ?
-Which is the best Star Wars game on the market?

I know this is long, but it is weird how I haven't followed this stuff for a couple of years, and I am totally lost on the video game market.

Side-scrollers are still popular, but arent really made anymore. You can get them by downloading them via Xbox live or Nintendo's Wii Virtual Console. If you like movies more than games the PS3 is the best choice for you. After WB's announcement, HD DVD is going the way of the dreamcast sooner or later. EA sports games are good, and are really the same no matter what console you get them for. The best racer depends on what kind of racing you prefer... If you like realism, Project Gotham 4 or Gran Turismo 5 would be a good choice. But I have always preferred more arcade-like racers like Ridge Racer 7 or Sega Rally Revo. There are no good Sonic games at this time. Super Mario Galaxy has been proclaimed the best Mario ever though. There hasnt been a good Star wars game for the newest generation of consoles yet, (Wii, PS3, XB360) unless you count the Lego games...Which really shouldnt be counted.

Thanks.


DodgingCars 01-24-08 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by Ocelot
That's cool for you, but for some of us, $50 a year can buy a quarter million life insurance... So, no thanks, i prefer "free" on-line play. If not, i'll use my 48 hours cards :) As for contents, you can access them FREE (you don't have to pay M$ to download demos), just a clarification ;).

Putting a "$" instead of an "S" does not lend credence to your argument. Besides, wasn't it $ony who was charging $600 at launch for their system?

kakihara1 01-25-08 12:20 AM


Originally Posted by xmiyux
I have to disagree here. The best argument for Sony ever was the lack of a way to turn the 360 off from a switch on the rear of the console. I forget what thread that gem showed up in but it is my favorite argument in a long long time. :lol:

That's an Ocelot gem IRC. I have yet to touch the flip switch on mine, I know it's hard to believe I'm not taking advantage of such an awesome feature. ;)

taffer 01-25-08 12:56 AM


Originally Posted by DodgingCars
Putting a "$" instead of an "S" does not lend credence to your argument.


Yeah, I always hate when people do that because they think it is cool and/or funny. It's really as lame as that stupid "leet" talk.

Every single profit based company in existence is of course out for one thing and one thing only: profit. Microsoft is definitely not unique in that way. For every profit based company, not just Microsoft, making the most profit possible is the number one goal, and everything else is a distance second.

xmiyux 01-25-08 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by kakihara1
That's an Ocelot gem IRC. I have yet to touch the flip switch on mine, I know it's hard to believe I'm not taking advantage of such an awesome feature. ;)

Then you just need to get rid of that now. If you aren't unleashing the full power of the PS3 off switch then you don't deserve to have one. You might as well have a Genesis if you aren't using it's full potential. :lol:

Ocelot 01-25-08 08:40 AM

Oh, sorry about the M$... it was not intentional... i have been using that notation before they make the Xbox.

Okay, i'll try my best to use MS or $ony... Sorry, $ony is a bit harder to type (try it for yourself). I'm not on any sides if you guys must know. Again, hardware-wise, i lean toward the PS3. And if i can travel back in times, i would say the original Xbox is more superior than the PS2 (i skipped the last gen totally, hello, i had to finish college and get a job).

You guys tend to make fun of stuffs (which is fine, that's the point of the forums, i get that), but twisting things around is another thing.

I never said the switch button on the back of the PS3 "unleash full power of the PS3." I simply said that it's a nice little feature most people didn't notice, but hell, it makes things a lot simpler for people who have kids or pets. Geez, get over it XmiyuX. Honestly, if i haven't bring up those little things, you probably don't even know they existed. Like i said, you probably don't use those little features, but knowing they are there, it's all good.

p.s. do i compare the graphics of the X360 and PS3 side by side? For goodness sake, i never did! Since i own both systems, i can compare them side by side physically (hardware-wise) along with the rest of the entertainment equipments.

Ocelot 01-25-08 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by xmiyux
Then you just need to get rid of that now. If you aren't unleashing the full power of the PS3 off switch then you don't deserve to have one. You might as well have a Genesis if you aren't using it's full potential. :lol:

I highly doubt any of you taking near full potential of the P$3. Hey, at least i use it for AVCHD playback and that along worth every pennies i spent on it.

kakihara1 01-25-08 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Ocelot
I highly doubt any of you taking near full potential of the P$3. Hey, at least i use it for AVCHD playback and that along worth every pennies i spent on it.

I'm running PSUbuntu on mine and the like 2Kb of RAM Sony put into the system really does wonders for it. ;)

Ocelot 01-25-08 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by kakihara1
I'm running PSUbuntu on mine and the like 2Kb of RAM Sony put into the system really does wonders for it. ;)


Now, that's beyond my free times on hand... good for you kakihara :) Honestly, i don't even know what good is that for, i'll read more about it, thanks for bring it up.


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