The DS has quite a lead in world wide sales (1-2 million) but thats not the point. The point is new gameplay dynamics, new audiences, new ways to experience gamers, all while delivering the classic gameplay as well. Even if the PSP sold more units it wouldn't matter, the DS has been a smash gaming success despite everyone forcasting its doom. The PSP is selling well too, no doubt. My question is, are those sales being driven by games, or other things? Clearly reviewing the game sales of PSP, its not the games.

Woah. No one is claiming the games will be cheaper, on the contrary, the costs are still going to increase to developers slightly this generation. The difference is that the games won't have 3X the development costs they have now.

The point here is that it offers smaller developers the opportunity to create new things affordably, while providing the big hitters the opportunity to readily launch new franchises and cement current ones further. (Again, exactly as we are seeing on the DS)

I have it on good authority that the PSP is heavily outshipping the DS. At the Sony stores alone the PSP is killing the DS in shipments. My local Target bought 40 PSP systems, but has no DS units on their shelves showing the complete failure of the system. I don't think its too early to consider the DS a dead system.

You act like Sony was some kind of dark horse, and that almost catching even with the DS is some great accomplishment for them. :lol: :lol: The PSP was fully expected to CRUSH the DS, by gamers and by media members. No one thought it had a chance. But instead the DS became one of the fastest selling consoles ever in Japan where it's weekly dominance over the sales charts is unprecidented, and it continues to make inroads in the US (120,000 copies of Brain Training sold in 3 weeks...did anyone predict that?) The DS is the one that took all the fire out of Sony. And the DS was really just a test bed for the Wii. Will these ideas work? Will they sell? The answer has been a resounding "Yes".

So wrong but oh so funny.

:wave: New buyer once the Lite hits. Why now? Zelda & Mario. Very impressive showings.

As a multimedia device, its selling well.

But it's game library is lagging far behind the DS in terms of highly reviewed games. And the gap is just going to grow wider. Sony hardly mentioned the PSP and there were a ton of killer games announced for the DS.

I don't care how much a console sales. I care how many games it has that I PERSONALLY want to play.

Again, I see that Nintendo isn't your cup of tea. But for many of us, they put out more than enough games to keep us happy and their games are among our all time favorites.

There not for you, and you don't get the appeal. That's fine. I don't get why people love the GTA games, and think they suck balls personally. But I'm not going to go into the PS3 or 360 thread and say its going to sell like crap because they only have a few games that I PERSONALLY like.

They will sell fine because millions love those games. And the DS will continue to sell well with its game line up and the Wii will follow suit, as millions love those games even though you do not.

I have no doubt the Wii will finish in 3rd place again this gen. And I also have no doubt that it will bar none have the most games that fit my tastes. And in the end that's all I care about.

I agree with a lot of your points made. Its all personal preferences. I was just pointing out the DS/PSP specific items because everyone talks about DS being the champ when it doesnt look like it is on paper. I do not get into portable gaming, nore do i care for it, but i do admit the DS has those great castlevania games and brain age does look neat. Id still buy a PSP if i had to buy a portable system. That new ghouls and ghosts looks amazing!

Im done with the Wii comments for now, i've made my point on the system and how i feel about it. Re-addressing them will not be changing anyones opinions.

BTW, the PSP and DS are both pretty awesome. I own both and at this point would not part with either one. My biggest gripe about E3 is the lack of love Sony seemed to show the PSP.

They are talking champs in terms of games.

You go in DS threads, read DS coverage in magazine and websites, and people are gushing over all the great games and wondering when they'll have time to play all the games coming out.

You do the same for the PSP, and you see people largely stating it's awesome hardware, but bemoaning the lack of games that aren't just shovelware PS2 ports and spinoffs.

And I'm talking outside of fanboy single console websites, and only refering to multiplatform magazine and websites/forums.

It's a consequence of the PSPs graphical power, it just isn't cost effective to spend millions building essentially a new PS2 game from the ground up to sell it to the much smaller PSP user base, when they could make it for the PS2 with it's huge user base and rush a port over to the PSP. The DS is much cheaper to develop for, and thus you get more games and more unique games that offer gameplay that can't be had on the consoles.

I wouldnt know about the portable situation. I just know i hate konami for making all these amazing castlevania 2-d games and not putting them on ps2 LOL =) I loved SOTN so much and would love more of the same!

After ive had time to think about everything that happened at E3, me trying out all the playable demos on xbox live and really considering whats been announced, ive really re-evalulated what i first thought.

The PS3 actually lost a lot of my intrest now. 499 was what i thought it would be. It is, but not one with HDMI. That to me is not future proof enough, and 599 is too much for a console. Ontop of nothing i saw i must have right away (i know KH3 and GOW3 will be PS3, but those are far, far away.), i dont forsee me getting a PS3 anytime soon.

The Wii does nothing for me, so its out.

The 360 really impresses me more and more. Any big exclusives that sony had, seems like MS is getting them. I still have a lot of major PS2 games comming out that i can still play (GOW2, FF12) that will keep me occupied. The XLA really shines in putting the old school multi-player feel back into the mix. So overall, im WAY happier with my 360 now, then i was when i actually got it. Gears of War footage literally blew me away. That game is absolutely mind blowing. Lost planet really impressed me as well for it being so early. And i just got done playing some MotoGP 06 on Live, and man it was a blast! NO LAG! Very excited. Im going to stick with MS for a while. Its going to be a long time till something i NEED to play comes out on PS3, and by then ill get one for a insane price like i did my 360. So yah, thats where im at now.

Outshipping doesn't mean squat if they are just sitting there in the store.

I have a feeling Darkside was being sarcastic. If there are 40 psp's at his Target and no DS's, then it's safe to assume the DS has sold out while the PSP is collecting dust. Also, I'm pretty sure the Sony store doesn't get many shipments of Nintendo DS.

Blitz, I challenge you to come up with at least 3 360 games that are coming out that are so different and/or innovative. I mean, like you said, what's all the excitement about?
(Disclaimer: I like most of these games, but for the sake of argument will somewhat bash them.)

Halo 3: New graphics, new locales. Gameplay is NOT different. The WAY YOU CONTROL THE GAME HAS BEEN AROUND FOREVER. Every fps plays just like it.

Gears of War: Over the shoulder view most prominently displayed in Resident Evil 4 on (ghasp!) Gamecube. G.R.A.W. uses it as well. Otherwise great graphics, but nothing NEW.

GTA4: Who knows. Nothing was shown, but I could care less. GTA has been innovative though, but if you're going to argue that Nintendo keeps rehashing the same games then I suggest you don't even mention this.

Ninety Nine Nights: Dynasty Warriors for 360.

Too Human: God of War for 360.

DOA X2: DOA X for 360.

Crackdown/Saint's Row: Just add these to all the other urban bullshit coming out.

Rockstar presents: Table Tennis: This one's funny. If I wanna play ping pong I'll go to my friend's house... or at least play a more lifelike simulation on the Revolution.

Call of Duty 3/Brothers in Arms: Sequels. They also play like Halo, but on earth. Oh wait... Halo's gonna be on earth too. Nevermind.

Alan Wake: This one is actually intriguing from the trailer I saw, but then again it looks like more survival horror.

Shadowrun: Looks like shit.

Bullet Witch: Looks like Shadowrun.

Stranglehold: Shoot em up with destructable environments. Again, nothing NEW.

I could go on, but it wouldn't change your mind anyway... nor should it. You like what you like and that's fine, but please don't argue that Nintendo does the same thing. At the very least, when I get the new Zelda or Metroid it will PLAY like something new. Halo will feel like Halo.

And I wonder why I don't often venture in these grounds. Too much pee-pee fighting between systems and their supporters.

I can say this without having any bias towards any system. I thought Nintendo's booth section and the wait to get into it was a turn off. I am impressed how they managed to get what looked like a god awful controller into something that can very well change the way people play games.. let alone look silly in the comfort of their own home the likes of which DDR and guitar hero only wished they could.

Playstation had a lot of stuff out and I'm just going with the flow of things and getting one because.. well, my ps2 died a long time ago and I've been meaning to catch up on my games I never got to play through. I liked how open their set up was this year

Xbox. I don't really care for the selection they had on the floor but then again it wasn't my personal choice for flight sims or shooters on home systems. Their lay out was ten folds better than last year and the year before.

South Hall always gets my favor because it's about game companies. There was a lot of swag to be had and I sure had it.

Also, who ever got Bawls to do a mint should be shot. I don't want Bawls in my mouth and I sure as hell didn't like how they foamed in there.

You know, I started this thread, and I was arguing with myself over the 360 vs. PS3. I was leaning toward a PS3.

I've changed my mind based on E3... The Xbox 360 looks like it has a better set of coming games. I have little doubt that towards the end of the generation lifecycle, the PS3 will have better looking games... but we're a long way from that.

I'm not a high def gamer (yet) but I really can't see any reason to pay 200 bucks more. I will primarily play the Wii (as I mostly use the cube this gen) but there are certain experiences I can't get on it that I enjoy, namely GTA and the WWE smackdown series... but those are both no longer exclusive to the Sony system.

I'll probably get a Sony console at some point, but I'm seeing no good reason deal with the mania that will ensue at launch and not wait out a price drop... or two.

Metroid? Metrid Prime was cool but Echoes was just more of the same.

I like Zelda but haven't we been waiting for this game forever?


For the most part, everything has been done. It's just a matter of doing things a bit better each time (graphics, gameplay, story).....

What do expect to see that's new? Unless you're talking about some of the crazy Japanese on acid type games.......

It's all been done

Amen to that.


Steelgear and Blitz - if you want to continue your pissing match, take it to email. We don't need to see any system bashing, your games are less innovative than mine crap in these threads. If you don't take it to email, you will be suspended.

What I learned is that Metal Gear Solid 4 is going to be the best thing......ever.

Does a game have to be "innovative" to be good or worth looking forward to?

And, you made that statement from seeing a FMV trailer? I suppose I could say GTA 4 is going to be the "best. game. ever." because Microsoft showed a tatoo of it. :lol:

Not at all. But it does need to at least bring something new to the table to be worth getting excited over.

But yet I'll still buy the DS/GBA castlevania games again and again as they're great games even though they're 100% retreads that add very little new each time. At the same time they've long since quit bing "OMG must buy this on release day!" games for me.

Where as something like Zelda on Wi I'm excited for as it is another game in one of my favorite systems, but looks to feel a ton different due to the controller, morphing into a wolf, etc.

And stuff that's totally random like Warioware when it came out gets me much more exicted as it's just more fun playing something that's unlike anything you've ever played before.

That's why I'm excited for the Wii. Hopefully it will have the crazy Japanese on acid type games and the controller will make the "been there, done that" games feel fresh again.

Geez, two posts trying to make a point about the Wii and now I'm being called out and threatened to be suspended. That's why I barely post here.

I've been changing my mind lately too. For one, I can't *stand* the name Wii, but seeing the Super Mario Galaxy video totally convinced me - that looks like sheer fun. Zelda of course looks great, and even Sonic seems revitalised. Nintendo = up in my book. Oh yeah, 100 Hudson Soft games announced for the Wii virtual console. Woot! Gunhed, Y's, Lords of Thunder, Dungeon Explorer multiplayer...DROOL.

And I am as oblivious as everyone else at the PS3 pricing, but after the disastrous press conference, Sony managed to actually start gaining some of my interest back with the AMAZING Metal Gear Solid 4 footage (proven to be real-time), FFXIII (also proven to be real-time), that playable Motorstorm (again, seems like a game that is really fun) and great buzz on closed-door titles such as Assassin's Creed. And I think Warhawk has good potential. Heavenly Sword looks fantastic.

That leaves Microsoft. Sorry, but yawn. Every friggin' game in an FPS or a GTA clone. I don't care how great Gears of War looks (and it looks great), but I never cared for FPSes, and this won't change my mind. There's an appalling dearth of variety within XBOX360's library. So what do they do? They bring Far East of Eden: Ziria to the US. Ugh. And Viva Pinata looks nice, but not interested either. And Too Human was just appallingly awful.

My E3 ranking:

1. Nintendo
2. PC
3. Sony
4. Microsoft

I've obviously become a Nintendo fanboy overnight with the Wii stuff. I think Nintendo stole E3. I also think PC Games like Spore seem pretty sweet, but there weren't a whole ton of them being reported on.

My e3 Ranking:
1) Nintendo
2) Microsoft
3) Sony

I wouldn't agree with this statement. Can you really call PS3 software running on development servers, not the actual box, making a showing or playable form? This is not to pick a fight, but who's to say that Sony might not make another of their "famous" announcements about a delay? The price dosen't matter as I'm going to buy a 60GB system at launch, but I think some serious wind has been taken from their sails.

I think Microsoft had a good show and I love my 360. Nintendo definately went from wait and see to must buy. BTW, a couple of questions. How do you recharge the Wiimote and will the Wii at least support 16:9 anamorphic since it is only 480p? I must admit, since the 360 I definately prefer widescreen gaming (especially since all my TVs are widescreen HD).

Ugh, the XBOX360 showed up as "playable" at E3 last year on huge development servers too (no physical console). So what's your point?

1.Nintendo- Romped E3
2.Microsoft- Pretty good
3.Sony- Crashed and burned

Totally agree, I'm really looking foward to the new Castlevania game on DS and there is nothing new or innovative about that series at this point.

In addition to the wii, and its innovation. One of the biggest games that I am looking forward to is Phoenix Wright's latest chapter on the DS. Nothing anywhere about a text/point & click adventure.

Ugh, what's your point? Read his post more thoroughly and what he was replying to.

I don't recall ever hearing anything about how the Wiimotes are charged. Maybe they have a gyroscope-powered generator? :D Seriously, I'm sure there's just a cable that plugs into the port on the back and connects via USB to the console.

I believe every Wii game has been shown in 16x9. I know Zelda, Metroid, and Mario all are. The VC games are pillar-boxed.

The Wiimotes use AA, but they may sell a rechargable option. The battery life is supposed to be long so I will just use my rechargeable AAs.

I couple of sites have confirmed 480p and 16X9 for all Wii titles. That is all I was asking for.

BTW, the Wii was running on development kits as well. Those Wiis that were shown are just empty shells. However, Nintendo was supposed to have some actual working versions that were shown behind closed doors only.

Decent. Sounds like Wavebird rechargables will just be pulling double-duty.

Maybe it's just me but Fable 2, Enchanted Arms, DOAX2, BioShock, MassEffect, Chromehounds Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Ninety-Nine Nights, Phantasy Star Universe, etc, etc, would count was all "FPS" or "GTA Clones". Maybe you didn't look at the games hard enough? ;)

Bioware's new RPG has gotten a ton of press. Some called it game of the show. Xbox360 definitely had some non FPS and Sports stuff to look forward to.

Exactly. A lot of people want to paint the 360 into a corner of just "FPS" and sports. It is their bread and butter but a lot of other goodiness exists too.

I believe they think if they can create one, just one insanely huge "must buy" hit for Japan, all won't be lost for them. I only fear that they could create such a game, but it will be intentionally ignored over there for petty reasons.

Blue Dragon from what little I saw looked very exciting. I am very close to a 360 purchase and that could be a game to push me over the edge in the next few months. I would hope if it lives up to potential it could be successful in Japan.

I am not a fan of FPS games at all and I could easily name 2 dozen 360 titles I'm looking forward to. Granted I do like sports and would have to own College Hoops 2K7.

I'm going to hold off on my overall opinion of E3's winners and losers until my summary tomorrow, but I will say no particular company "won" the show. I'll elaborate extensively on the buzz on the show floor after I escape this crazy town tonight.

But what do I know? I was only at the show every minute of every hour for the past three days. ;)

Flay, just out of curiosity, did you happen to hear anything at all about a new Def Jam fighting game? I was hoping they'd at least announce a new one.

About the only title that's of interest there is BioShock. DOA series has long been DOA to me, Lost Planet is an TPS (Third-person shooter), NNN reviews in Japan have been less than complimentary, I don't play MMOs, Dead Rising is of limited interest, though I applaud its strange premise and humor (Evil Dead-like stuff isn't my cup of tea), Fable I never got into. Mass Effect has good buzz but still haven't seen it yet. Blue Dragon? Apart from that trailer there's precious little we even *know* or see of the game. Heck, we see more of FFXIII than Blue Dragon at this point.

That's why I am so happy to see Super Mario Galaxy - it just looks like FUN, something you can just pick up and enjoy. None of the bullshit angst-ridden futuristic BS that plague a majority of XBOX's games (and to some extent,the PS3 too - Resistance? Pass).

Ahem - I can read fine, Gallant. And his points are still not valid.

"Can you really call PS3 software running on development servers, not the actual box, making a showing or playable form?"

This is the exact same scenario as the XBOX360 last year, and the games on it were even MORE rough and early than Sony's showings this year. So if the XBOX360 was not delayed, then I STILL don't see his point. It was running, it was playable, and with the same timeline it will come out. Even Sony cannot screw it up any more than they already have...