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Why didn't the first XBOX have a removeable hard drive?

Old 11-23-05, 11:38 AM
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Why didn't the first XBOX have a removeable hard drive?

Seems logical to me. Those memory cards don't hold enough to be of any use for large game saves. I doubt it would have cost MS much more to make the hard drive removeable. That way people don't get screwed when they have to exchange their consoles. I bought an XBOX when KOTOR came out and after a week of playing the thing kept freezing up on me. I was 80% done with KOTOR. But lost it all because I had to exchange the system. I haven't picked up KOTOR since. So, any ideas why they didn't do it then and why they thought it was a good idea this time?
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Old 11-23-05, 11:49 AM
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Considering that it was the first console (as far as I know) with a true hard drive in it, I don't think they were ready to take the next step to removable hard drives.
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Old 11-23-05, 11:50 AM
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It was good this time so they could sell TWO different 360's. Plus, removeable is more portable if you want to bring your HD to a friends house....
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Old 11-23-05, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Draven
Considering that it was the first console (as far as I know) with a true hard drive in it, I don't think they were ready to take the next step to removable hard drives.
Well the PS2 had a removeable hard drive. It was relatively useless but it had the slot for it in the back. That came out before the XBOX.
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Originally Posted by Mopower
Well the PS2 had a removeable hard drive. It was relatively useless but it had the slot for it in the back. That came out before the XBOX.
The PS2 came out before the Xbox but the Hard Drive for it came out much later.
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You have to remember, the Xbox was built with OTS computer parts. As soon as you start customizing the product, you add costs. It was probably a money issue.
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I'd say it was to keep cost down. I imagine small, removable hard drives cost a good bit more 4 years ago than they do today.
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Old 11-23-05, 12:28 PM
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I'm just surprised they didn't create some program to transfer files from one drive to the other over the network. Or to transfer stuff from memory cards to the new HD.

Of course, I also wonder why some game saves are not transferable to a memory card anyway, even though they are small enough to fit on one.
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Old 11-23-05, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mopower
Seems logical to me. Those memory cards don't hold enough to be of any use for large game saves. I doubt it would have cost MS much more to make the hard drive removeable. That way people don't get screwed when they have to exchange their consoles. I bought an XBOX when KOTOR came out and after a week of playing the thing kept freezing up on me. I was 80% done with KOTOR. But lost it all because I had to exchange the system. I haven't picked up KOTOR since. So, any ideas why they didn't do it then and why they thought it was a good idea this time?

By the way KOTOR had a number of glitches... was that the only game you had issues with? It might have been an issue with the game or a corrupt save game...

but like others said, I think it was due to the cost of removeable, external, smaller HDs at the time vs now.
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Old 11-23-05, 12:45 PM
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You seem to forget that the Xbox was built in 2001, not 2005. The bang for your buck on computer components has changed a lot since then.
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Originally Posted by sniper308
was that the only game you had issues with?

No.
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Old 11-23-05, 01:18 PM
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Yes, price must have been the issue. But the XBOX uses full size hard drives so all they would have to do is make a IDE adaptor to make it removeble.
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Originally Posted by Mopower
Yes, price must have been the issue. But the XBOX uses full size hard drives so all they would have to do is make a IDE adaptor to make it removeble.
Well, sure, but I still say it wasn't a logical step at that time.

Frankly, aside from the ability to upgrade to a larger drive down the road, I am not a user that needs a removable HD. I don't rip my CDs to my Xbox, I don't take it to other people's houses, etc.

I treated the HD in the original Xbox as a big fat internal memory card, which is what I think they intended it to be (with the whole music storage thing as somewhat of an side benefit.)
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I still don't see the point in just taking the hard drive to a friends house. It isn't like you can hook two of them up to share data.
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Old 11-23-05, 03:18 PM
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I used to save games on my Sega Saturn and I never had a memory card. Is that an internal hard drive or just some smaller memory device?
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Old 11-23-05, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DealMan
I used to save games on my Sega Saturn and I never had a memory card. Is that an internal hard drive or just some smaller memory device?
It had a battery back-up inside the system, similar to the old cartridge based games. I think it could store about 128k or so, but if the battery ever died all your save games were toast.
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