Yeah, the PS2 launch was strange. No games worth playing over the current "hot" games on the PS1 and N64 at the time, and you still couldn't find one in stock anywhere.

Madden was enough to sell the console. That and SSX.

You guys amaze me at your short attention span. It's obvious the shortage was created by the Taliban buying up all the PS2's to guide their nukes they bought from Iraq.

Side note: Im going to be like Bush here and blame all past and present problems on terrorism. You have been forwarned.

Hardly your Mario/Halo type system selling launch games though. I was amazed that it sold so well with it's launch lineup. People just bought it for the hype, and ignored the dreamcast which had a much better game lineup for the first year of the PS2.

The big selling point (I feel) was the integrated DVD player. Remember DVD players were $100-200 at the time (no $19 chinese specials).

Many people bought PS2s 'cause they figured it cost the same as a DVD player, and they got a PS2 at the same time! :D Sony had very good timing, and was very wise with the built-in DVD playing capabilities. They might pull this off with Blu-ray, too, but not to the level that the PS2 did so.


The fatwallet thread has gotten even funnier since I mentioned it. Mr. Polishdreamer is maintaining that Sony can charge $500-600 for the PS3 and make big money, that

Talk about buying into the hype. Yeah, sure, the cell chip is going to be 5700 times more powerful. Yeah. Right. If it's made with ****ing organic Shadow technology, with a human person integrated in as its CPU. :D

Some purportedly next-gen in-game shots from EA. These were shown at a recent conference they had.

Also IGN has some Xbox2 game info and pics Not sure if the pics are in-game or pre-rendered.

I love this pre-release info and screens. It'll be nice to see the new systems as well.

Those aren't in-game :lol:

Gotta love the pre-rendered hype machine.

Yeah, wasn't the EE Chip supposed to cure AIDs and reinvent the world? Oh wait, it was only a slight stepup from the Dreamcast :rolleyes: But hey, it launched with that Tekken Tag & Ridge Racer, so it had to be good, it's not like Dreamcast had any other better games at that point. :mad:

If that crap happens again this time I might give up on that generation. EFF SONY HYPE.

I don't think its all that fair to call it "Sony Hype". I think the article focused more on the speed of the Cell Processor, not on the greatness of the Sony PS3. Remember, The Cell Processor was created by Toshiba, IBM, and Sony so more than one company wants to "hype" it.

The EE can generate twice as many flops as the Xbox with 1/3 the MHz, and you think that is a slight step up from the DC? -ohbfrank-

Flop this. :p

Numbers mean nothing. PS2 graphics, even in the latest games, don't look much better than DC games, and the first couple generation of games on the PS2 didn't look as good as DC games. I mean compare Tekken Tag to Soul Calibur.

If MS was smart, they'd steal some of Sony's Viral Marketing / Dirty Tricks / Hype Marketing team.

Do you know what you are talking about?

http://dcmedia.ign.com/media/preview...mages/bg05.jpg
SC
http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/So..._051403_02.jpg
SC2

I can hardly tell the difference. -ohbfrank-

Yes.

I said Tekken Tag, to Soul Calibur. Not Soul Calibur 2 to DC Soul Calibur.

But I'm not wasting my time arguing with system loyalists. :D I stopped doing that on here a couple years ago, no need to start again.

Quick edit. Nice.

But yes, you did say TTT to SC, but you also said, "PS2 graphics, even in the latest games, don't look much better than DC games". So I showed you that there is a huge difference.

And I do suggest you get your eyes checked if you think SC is clearer than SC2.

Great. Then you don't mind explaining to me the ratio of flops to clock speed versuses that of flops to available bus bandwidth.

No, I think SC2 is clearer than TTT (and SC 1 for that matter). I just misread your post the first time and thought the first screen was from TTT and edited it when I caught my post.

Yes current PS2 games look better than DC games, but not buy a gigantic margin IMO. But I'm probably not the best judge of this stuff as I'm not big on graphics to begin with, so maybe I'm not as receptive to noticing differences.

I just don't get why some people are so defensive toward certain systems. I have all three and pretty much like them equally. Maybe the x-box slightly less as the game library of exclusives don't match my gaming tastes as well as the PS2 and GC.

PS2:
3.2 GB per second
295 MHz
6.16 GFLOPS


Xbox:
6.4 GB per second
733 MHz
2.93 GFLOPS

Were you looking for something else?

I'm not asking for specs. I'm asking for an explaination of what I typed above. Something that demonstrates a comprehension ie: understanding of what you are talking about.

Posting specs is not what I'm "looking" for. Here, I'll try an simpler one. How does the standard communication work in the PS2 controller. In other words, what type of serial/parallel interface is utilized and how does it function?

Oh, you wanted a detailed explanation. Well sorry, but I didn't get a degree in Computer Engineering, so I won't be able to give you one.

But I do understand the general idea behind a processor. I could explain it to you like you were a kid, but that would be pointless as you seem to understand it more than I ever could.

But are you really disagreeing that the EE is more powerful in some aspects than the Xbox CPU? Because the numbers just don't show that.