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Valve in it for the money?.
I never did like HL1 but I got it so I can play the mods.
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/p...nnounced.shtml I remember when some people said Valve care for the customers and are not in it for the money and I beg to differ. Will this happen what the article says, maybe but we gotta wait and see. Making us, the customers, to pay for there mod TF2 is insane. I'm not pulling money out of my ass here. |
That is crazy, I would probably go with the middle version with the Mods and such, but still that is crazy. I wonder what the price difference will be
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They're a business. By definition they do things for money. Otherwise, they'd be a charity.
Anyway, I'll get the highest-tier that lets me play mods. Having tried Steam, I'll be avoiding that like the plague. Buggy POS at this point. I realize that it's still in Beta, but I'm not impressed. I just hope they still make the 9/30 release date, although I have strong doubts that they will. |
After the success of the Half Life mods, of course people are going to want the "Mod-Compatible" (??) version. I hope the mod version is the regular MSRP and the single player version is just cheaper... you know, for the rednecks and hillbillies shopping at Wal-Mart. These people apparantly can't comprehend the technical wonder that is "The Internet". ;)
I don't know if any of you would lump yourself in with this crowd... The third is the collector's edition SKU with lots of cool bonus stuff for people who like cool bonus stuff. |
Well, it looks like we shall hold our tongues until pricing is set. Who knows, maybe Valve will set SP version of HL2 to $34.99 and the MP one to $49.99. Then it would be all the same to us.
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Of course they're in it for the money. Just like everyone else that goes to work.
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Originally posted by Derrich Of course they're in it for the money. Just like everyone else that goes to work. D |
Originally posted by Derrich Of course they're in it for the money. Just like everyone else that goes to work. D I think they should just come out with 1 edition that has singleplayer/multiplayer that will be fully compatible with the other HL2 mods like every other publisher out there. |
It sounds pretty fair to me.
Single Player only (dial ups and people not concern with online play need apply) MP version in both collectors pack and regular over the counter online download, you pay the 10 bucks per month or so. basic principle if you ask me. I'm sure you will still be able to play online even without pay per play. the bonus of paying is you get the other crap like valve mod's directly from steam like they have been releasing the blink videos. |
Originally posted by Jackskeleton It sounds pretty fair to me. Single Player only (dial ups and people not concern with online play need apply) MP version in both collectors pack and regular over the counter online download, you pay the 10 bucks per month or so. basic principle if you ask me. I'm sure you will still be able to play online even without pay per play. the bonus of paying is you get the other crap like valve mod's directly from steam like they have been releasing the blink videos. I don't think anyone who has seen the HL2 videos would say that Valve is just cranking out a sequel, that is just taking advantage of the HL name. Let those who want the extra stuff to pay a little more and those that just want the game, to pay a little less. |
I seen some of the videos but not all. From what I seen so far, bleh, it looks like a average FPS.
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HL2 will own all. The e3 demo was just sick... calling it an "average" fps is a complete joke.
AFA valve just trying to "make $" by releasing different versions, what the heck do you guys think they did with HL1? There are atleast 3 versions of it (reg/original, platinum, GotY etc) and they also sell mods as stand alones (tfc, cs, dod etc) too.... if they ONLY release 3 HL2s, they will be cutting back. j |
Originally posted by KillaBeez I seen some of the videos but not all. From what I seen so far, bleh, it looks like a average FPS. |
I fully expect HL2 to be great but there is no way I would ever pay a monthly fee for a FPS. Yes, I know one of them comes with Multi outta the box and you don't have to pay a monthly fee. I'm just gonna wait and see how mods are handled though, I'm not about to pay for a user created mod or one that's still in beta.
I use to play Everquest and I'm so glad I finally kicked that habit(haven't played since Nov. 17th last year). After reading about this yesterday I'm gonna hold off saving for a new graphics card until I see how things go with the game. |
YOU WONT PAY PER MONTH!! jesus people get it straight.
You have an option just like you do on fileplanet. You can pay to get STEAM and mod downloads directly from them and pay or you can just donwload them yourself. STEAM is what is being placed up for the online payment and from what I hear it might just be a one time thing. You will still be able to play online for free with the regular over the counter version. they just added a new one though, consider it a HL2 lite. it will only have single player and be cheaper for those who are just into the single player. they did this for CS. you can get it for free online or you can buy the stand alone. either way, it's options. God forbid we have options.. But playing online will not be a pay per play type of crap. |
Originally posted by KillaBeez well obvouisly, but the fact that there gonna make you pay extra money for there mods and other things. rip off if you ask me. And what I mean there in it for the money is that they got greedy from all the sales of the first game so make a game with HL2 slapped on the front and BOOM, you have over a million sales in a week plus, make you pay more for the mods that they bring or any other stuff they want to make you pay for. I think they should just come out with 1 edition that has singleplayer/multiplayer that will be fully compatible with the other HL2 mods like every other publisher out there. "In the Steam world, some people will want to buy it once, like the middle SKU above. Other people will want to buy the game on subscription (e.g. USD 9.95/month). The good news for the "buy it once" crowd is, well, they only have to pay once. The bad news is that when we come out with new content (expansion products, TF 2, and presumably other games) then they have to pay separately for those. We're pretty sure that the USD 9.95 guys are going to get the better value, as we've been pretty good over the years at generating a lot of content. " All of this only applies to Steam members. |
You don't pay a dime for Steam itself. Straight from the horses mouth:
Here's my current thinking: Some people want to buy Half-Life 2 in a store. Right now we have three SKUs planned at three price points. One will have single-player only and not play MODs and we think of that as the mass market SKU (sold mainly at the Costcos and Walmarts of the world). The second is our traditional single-player plus multiplayer SKU that runs MODs and is sold at places like EBX. The third is the collector's edition SKU with lots of cool bonus stuff for people who like cool bonus stuff. In the Steam world, some people will want to buy it once, like the middle SKU above. Other people will want to buy the game on subscription (e.g. $9.95/month). The good news for the "buy it once" crowd is, well, they only have to pay once. The bad news is that when we come out with new content (expansion products, TF 2, and presumably other games) then they have to pay separately for those. We're pretty sure that the $9.95 guys are going to get the better value, as we've been pretty good over the years at generating a lot of content. Now nobody has done this before, so we're scratching our heads and massaging the plans to make sure we've got the best set of options. We've had some feedback that we should sell the top SKU (single-player only no MODs) on Steam, and my reaction has been "yeah, right, for the three people in the world who have a broadband connection, are sophisticated enough to purchase software over the Internet, but DON'T want to play MODs and multiplayer". Some people have said "I want a subscription, but I think the box and the manual are cool, so what about sending me those" and I think that's pretty interesting and we're trying to figure out what to do for them (needless to say Sierra isn't exactly jumping for joy at the idea of selling us boxes so people don't buy Half-Life 2 in stores). But nowhere has there been a suggestion that people pay in the store and then pay a monthly fee on top of that a la the MMORPG. Gabe All of this only applies to Steam members. |
Originally posted by Galanthas If you wanna play HL2 multiplayer you will have no choice but to use steam same for single player as well I believe. |
You are misunderstanding me. All HL2 Multiplayer games will be going through steam, no matter if you bought it at a store or downloaded it. Valve will be replacing Won with Steam. I'm not saying you pay anything extra just that multiplayer will be using Steam.
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yeah, but steam is free. I suppose I was a bit wrong on my understanding aswell.
the extra stuff I would assume would just be a quicker method of downloading the mods since I'm sure they will be offered on the modder's home site and what not. steam itself is decent. I disliked how it took up a bit of room for pretty much nothing new, but it means less wall hackers so it's all good. |
Valve in it for the money?.
Well thank you Capt. obvious. |
I'll buy the special edition version with all the extras and wazoos... and I'll pay 10 bucks a month for no reason... and I'll wash their cars. I am happy to pay for my entertainment.
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Originally posted by Groucho Enlighten us. If Half-Life 2 is "average," what is an example of an "above-averge" FPS. Or an "excellent" FPS? VietCong, is 1 of very few games that take place in the Vietnam war with realistic looking jungles. To me, its a excellent FPS, why, because it hasnt been done much. Closet game to this is probley Ghost Recon. |
Originally posted by KillaBeez Have you evered played VietCong?. Theres more games but I can't think of them at the moment. To you, HL2 is not a average game but to me, its just a average game, why? because its been done about a 100 times already. VietCong, is 1 of very few games that take place in the Vietnam war with realistic looking jungles. To me, its a excellent FPS, why, because it hasnt been done much. Closet game to this is probley Ghost Recon. |
I wonder how much the collectors edition will be? I've played half life mods since the first ones came out, and that will probably be the edition I buy.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Groucho
[B]They're a business. By definition they do things for money. Otherwise, they'd be a charity. I agree with the above. Also if they made the tools then they own them so what if they want folks to pay not like they owe it to the fans to gave them away for free. Also this may shock folks but if you don't agree with it then don't buy it 0_0 They owe the fans jack **** in my book that same goes for every other company too all they owe ya is a game that has no bugs and works right. However the free tools for half life did help it sell a ass load of copy's. So I'd think it would help the game sell better to gave the tools away. Damn next thing you know people will say it's unfair you have to pay for flash and other Internet making tools. |
Originally posted by KillaBeez Have you evered played VietCong?. Theres more games but I can't think of them at the moment. To you, HL2 is not a average game but to me, its just a average game, why? because its been done about a 100 times already. Hard cord FPS fans who have been playing these games since the beginning can see how revolutionary this game is. The experts all agree that Half-Life 2 is anything but average. |
I'm thinking that maybe if you purchase using a sub to steam then you might have to be online for it to verify before running it since you aren't paying the full 50 bucks for it up front.. not sure how well that would work but that's my take
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I'm sure you are obligated for a certain amount of months in order to buy it online that would equel retail price.
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton I'm sure you are obligated for a certain amount of months in order to buy it online that would equel retail price. |
I assume he ment best value because you get a direct feed of mods and other bonus crap. I'm sure you just can't pay for a month and then take off keeping the game.
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I played the original HL regularly for 2.5 years. No way would a monthly fee be my best value
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Originally posted by Trigger So I guess you like VietCong. It's a decent game I guess... rather dated and mediocre, but it's kinda fun. The fact that this is the only game you can think of that's better than HL2 makes me wonder why you would even try to take this stance you're taking. HL2 is highly innovative in many respects. They're doing things that have never been done before in any video game - and they are advancing the genre more than any FPS game that has ever come out. VietCong didn't innovate nothin'. The technology alone behind HL2 is worth the wait and is something to get really excited about. There's NOTHING average about HL2... nothing at all. Can you name 100 different FPS games to explain how you can say "because its been done about 100 times already." Can you name 50 games? How about 5 games? 1? C'mon - VietCong isn't gonna get your point across here. I can name many games that I think is much better then HL2 but I wont go into that because you like HL alot as to I dont so there isnt a point of discussing it. The reason I can say that without even trying it is because from reports so far, HL2 will carry the same gameplay style as HL1 except with a major upgrade and I did not like HL1 for many reasons and only got it for the awsome mods. Do you want me to name all the games that I like way more then HL1 or HL2?. Name everything that is innovative or atleast as much as you can that is innovative in HL2?. I'll you let you know if its been done before. Face it man, no point in discussing this if you like HL to where I dont like HL. I'm in the small majority that does not like HL so can we leave it at?. |
Killa: Other than setting, that game has nothing original about it. At least Half-Life 2 is doing a lot of things new to advance the genre. Not to mention the open ended SDK which means even if you don't like Half-Life 2's setting, people will be able to mod the hell out of it for completely original games. Counter-Striker, and Day of Defeat are completely different than Half Life but all are based on Half Life.
Like it or not, you can't deny that the game is advancing the genre in so many ways unlike VietCong which is fairly generic except for the setting. Settings don't define a game, gameplay does. Half-Life 2 is anything but "average" regardless if it interests you or not. |
From what i read on the steam forums.. the game may be stored in encrypted files that make you connect to steam to play if you did the subscription
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Originally posted by KillaBeez Gordon, must A) Save the world from Aliens B) must escape the horrer of these aliens but yet, he has no poblem killing these aliens but still wants to escape?? and your telling me this is not a average thing in video games?. Have you seen 1 of the aliens?, they completely copied it the alien from StarShip Troopers, innovative my ass. Creating aliens is unlimited so why the copy?. I can name many games that I think is much better then HL2 but I wont go into that because you like HL alot as to I dont so there isnt a point of discussing it. The reason I can say that without even trying it is because from reports so far, HL2 will carry the same gameplay style as HL1 except with a major upgrade and I did not like HL1 for many reasons and only got it for the awsome mods. Do you want me to name all the games that I like way more then HL1 or HL2?. Name everything that is innovative or atleast as much as you can that is innovative in HL2?. I'll you let you know if its been done before. Face it man, no point in discussing this if you like HL to where I dont like HL. I'm in the small majority that does not like HL so can we leave it at?. |
Vietcong was fun and all, but man was it dated.
Valve's past games have proven to be MOD friendly, given that the modding tools come with the package, and mod groups have already got the maps and textures, that this one will have a stronger modding community on release date. |
Vietcong LOL.
Even the first HL was innovative. Maybe not for the graphics (built upon an aged engine as it was) but the amount if interesting and immersive plot was a first in the genre. Or at least the first to do it really well. |
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