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Captain Harlock 05-16-03 12:11 PM

Played thru Splinter Cell twice...What the hell is going on?!?!?!
 
Seriously, I've finished Splinter Cell. Watched all the cutscenes. Tried to pick apart the story piece by piece. And I STILL have no clue as to what I was doing on the missions and why!. I know there's an Army, a Chinese guy, some sort of bomb and a Russian who's really, really
Spoiler:
pissed off!!
. But for the life of me I can't tie any of the events together. And the ending did more to confuse than help.
Spoiler:
Busting a cap in that Russian dude and walking out the front door?!?!
I said "That's it?!?! That's the best ending you could come up with?!?!?".

Really, this is not intended to flame or troll. I'm totally dead up serious. I'm really really dumbfounded here. Someone explain this to me!!

nickdawgy 05-16-03 12:18 PM

who cares about the ending, the game was cool enough. You did play it twice, didn't you?

Captain Harlock 05-16-03 12:25 PM


Originally posted by nickdawgy
who cares about the ending, the game was cool enough. You did play it twice, didn't you?
Yes I played it twice. It still dooesn't make me understand three very important questions;

1. Why I'm on the missions?
2. Who are the bad guys?
and....
3. Why I have to stop the bad guys?

Those newsflashes didn't help matters much either. I got MORE confused after seeing.

I've played it twice as you've asked. Will I play a third time? Probably not. It may wind up as a trade in at GameStop.

kegman 05-16-03 12:30 PM

Not sure if this is correct but what I noticed in splinter cell when they gave you the reports about special forces units on missions for example Georgia it seemed to match up with the missions in ghost recon. Thought that was pretty neat.

Cusm 05-16-03 02:27 PM

Look at this way, You are a splinter cell, your orders are need to know. You do not have to understand them, just carry them out.

The Franchise 05-16-03 02:35 PM

I love it. People complain that MGS2 had a too deep and convoluted story and that Splinter Cell's was so skimpy on details that you can't tell what's going on. :D

Captain Harlock 05-16-03 03:19 PM


Originally posted by Cusm
Look at this way, You are a splinter cell, your orders are need to know. You do not have to understand them, just carry them out.

I'm sorry, that's not good enough. Again it still doesn't help to explain the three questions I asked. It still feels like the designers threw together a bunch of random environments and situations then said "Uh oh! We need some kind of story to tie this together. Well we'll slap one together. No biggie."



Originally posted by The Franchise
I love it. People complain that MGS2 had a too deep and convoluted story and that Splinter Cell's was so skimpy on details that you can't tell what's going on.
I for one had no problem with the MGS2 storyline, because it did a couple of important things....

1. It kept the gameflow moving. By that I mean it makes you WANT to keep playing.

2. It gives the game continuity. You see events unfolding from A through Z to their inevitable conclusion.

and...

3. It's immersive. You get lost in the characters and story. At the same time it establishes some kind of connection with the player and the characters whether it's sympathy or hatred.

You have to admit, MGS2 story was fantastic and improbable, but you'll remember it long after you finish the game.
I'd rather have the convoluted story of MGS2 that at least leaves you satisfied than Splinter Cell's story that was treated as an afterthought.

Joshic 05-16-03 03:51 PM

I played through Splinter Cell just once on my Xbox many months ago, and I thought the story was quite good, well-told, and intriguing. I was not confused one bit throughout the whole thing. I felt I knew why I had to do each mission, and why the mission goals were as they were.

That being said, I've forgotten a lot of the story by now. But I'll do my best to answer the questions:


1. Why I'm on the missions?
2. Who are the bad guys?
and....
3. Why I have to stop the bad guys?
Spoiler:
Initially you are on the missions simply to investigate why CIA agents haven't reported back in a while. That's where the first mission starts. After you discover what happened to them, you begin to find out that the agents were killed because they were onto something hot.

The bad guys are the Georgian guy Nikoladze, I think was his name. You have to stop these bad guys because they carried out a high-tech "attack" on the US mid-way through the game, and later you find out that they enlisted the aid of some rogue Chinese leader/general, in order to cause the US to falsely think that all of China was a threat to the US, when it was in fact just a rogue group.


Sorry I can't remember all the details, it's been a while.

Gallant Pig 05-16-03 08:12 PM

Weird, I played the game and understood it pretty clearly on who was the bad guy and why I was there. I usually always skipped through the CGI cutscenes too. Joshic's version is what I remember.

nickdawgy 05-16-03 08:47 PM

I was lost at some point on what was happening, but the gameplay made up for that. Totally cool stealth missions.

I didn't like the fact that you sometimes had only a certain number of alarms allowed to go off or you fail, though. Also, it was a pain to be far on a level only to have an alarm go off suddenly because someone found a body you hid 2 scenes ago. You have to hide the bodies perfectly it seemed, lol.

I thought the news flashes were really cool, though. I rented it and finished it in 3 days of off and on playing. Heck, I liked it so much, I'd buy it if it was cheaper :D

<3 diversion camera :D

nickdawgy 05-16-03 08:49 PM


Originally posted by Gallant Pig
Weird, I played the game and understood it pretty clearly on who was the bad guy and why I was there. I usually always skipped through the CGI cutscenes too. Joshic's version is what I remember.
How can you skip cutscenes? I mean aren't you the least bit curious to what is going on?

Maybe I misunderstood you, perhaps you played through before? I'd skip them too on a second attempt.

Captain Harlock 05-16-03 09:07 PM


Originally posted by Joshic
I played through Splinter Cell just once on my Xbox many months ago, and I thought the story was quite good, well-told, and intriguing. I was not confused one bit throughout the whole thing. I felt I knew why I had to do each mission, and why the mission goals were as they were.

That being said, I've forgotten a lot of the story by now. But I'll do my best to answer the questions:



Spoiler:
Initially you are on the missions simply to investigate why CIA agents haven't reported back in a while. That's where the first mission starts. After you discover what happened to them, you begin to find out that the agents were killed because they were onto something hot.

The bad guys are the Georgian guy Nikoladze, I think was his name. You have to stop these bad guys because they carried out a high-tech "attack" on the US mid-way through the game, and later you find out that they enlisted the aid of some rogue Chinese leader/general, in order to cause the US to falsely think that all of China was a threat to the US, when it was in fact just a rogue group.


Sorry I can't remember all the details, it's been a while.

If that's what the story was, then the fact that I have forgotten it twice even after playing it TWICE doesn't say much.

Still I think it feels more like a bunch of random environments thrown together with no common thread. The fact that it takes place over several days and in a number of different environments doesn't help either. I think that the events that were unfolding could have been conveyed better . The newsflashes could have been shown within the context of the missions, perhaps that NSA dude giving fishers orders saying "Fisher you need to see this" and patching the broadcast into the Opsrey's video screen. That might have conveyed more urgencey.

What Splinter Cell has in game play it lacks in what I call presentation. Which is a shame really. This series has alot of potential.


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